Thoughts about Obama

[ZEB]

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:

I don’t like Romney, either. He’s too moderate for me. I know ZEB is going to come in and try and convince me that Romney is a staunch Conservative…

CS[/quote]

I will never try to convince you that he is more conservative than many of the candidates who opposed him in the primary. All I have to do is convince you that he is more conservative than Obama, and if you are a smart guy, and I think you are, you already know that.

As a (conservative) voter you only have three choices and two of them help Obama get reelected:

1. Vote for Romney

2. Vote for Obama

3. Don’t vote for either man

The choice is clear on what I’m going to do. And before election day I’m going to write the Romney campaign a check for the maximum amount allowed by law.

Obama needs to go![/quote]

Nah, Romney is George W. part II. [/quote]

Nonsense, no one who understands the political landscape believes this. The two men have virtually nothing in common. This is no more than a democratic talking point. How foolish!

Our economy is in better hands with someone who is going to try something that already failed horribly.

Be specific, what exactly do YOU think Romney will try that Bush tried and failed? And do you actually understand why the economy went bad?

You can say that the state of the Economy is entirely Obama’s fault all you want, but everybody knows we were spiraling to hell prior to him taking office, and it was Bush’s policies that put us there along with 9/11 itself.

Bush’s poliices did not put us there. In fact, when Bush left office the unemployment rate was around 7%. And in his first term he created millions of jobs. Can Obama say that? Unemployment is currently over 8% and has been there for over 36 straight months that IS Obama’s fault. Obama does in fact own this economy. If you own a store and it’s doing horribly you fire the manager and hire someone who can make it work. If after almost 4 years it is in worse shape than previously you fire the manager again! The blame Bush crowd are actually amusing. Obama has had full control and things are now worse. But if you keep drinking the kool aid that the main stream liberal media feed you everything is Bush’s fault and will be four years from now if Obama has the good fortune of getting reelected. You’re smarter than that!

[quote]George W. Bush makes no excuses for himself, why doesn’t anybody talk about his mistakes in the Republican party? Because it’s convenient not to.
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Stop talking like an ass clown. Obama is President not Bush. Bush could have been the worse President in modern times (He wasn’t) but it’s Obama’s watch right now and Obama is responsible for this economy…NO ONE ELSE!

What was Obama doing for almost four years? Trying to pass Obamacare for the first two when he had a democratic house and senate! Why didn’t he make the changes that were needed to fix the economy?

Obama needs to go! Until this point in time no one ever blamed a previous President for a currnet Presidents lack of ability to do the job correctly. This blame Bush nonsense is ultimately only going to be believed by the far left wingnuts.

[Severiano]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:

I don’t like Romney, either. He’s too moderate for me. I know ZEB is going to come in and try and convince me that Romney is a staunch Conservative…

CS[/quote]

I will never try to convince you that he is more conservative than many of the candidates who opposed him in the primary. All I have to do is convince you that he is more conservative than Obama, and if you are a smart guy, and I think you are, you already know that.

As a (conservative) voter you only have three choices and two of them help Obama get reelected:

1. Vote for Romney

2. Vote for Obama

3. Don’t vote for either man

The choice is clear on what I’m going to do. And before election day I’m going to write the Romney campaign a check for the maximum amount allowed by law.

Obama needs to go![/quote]

Nah, Romney is George W. part II. [/quote]

Nonsense, no one who understands the political landscape believes this. The two men have virtually nothing in common. This is no more than a democratic talking point. How foolish!

Our economy is in better hands with someone who is going to try something that already failed horribly.

Be specific, what exactly do YOU think Romney will try that Bush tried and failed? And do you actually understand why the economy went bad?

You can say that the state of the Economy is entirely Obama’s fault all you want, but everybody knows we were spiraling to hell prior to him taking office, and it was Bush’s policies that put us there along with 9/11 itself.

Bush’s poliices did not put us there. In fact, when Bush left office the unemployment rate was around 7%. And in his first term he created millions of jobs. Can Obama say that? Unemployment is currently over 8% and has been there for over 36 straight months that IS Obama’s fault. Obama does in fact own this economy. If you own a store and it’s doing horribly you fire the manager and hire someone who can make it work. If after almost 4 years it is in worse shape than previously you fire the manager again! The blame Bush crowd are actually amusing. Obama has had full control and things are now worse. But if you keep drinking the kool aid that the main stream liberal media feed you everything is Bush’s fault and will be four years from now if Obama has the good fortune of getting reelected. You’re smarter than that!

[quote]George W. Bush makes no excuses for himself, why doesn’t anybody talk about his mistakes in the Republican party? Because it’s convenient not to.
[/quote]

Stop talking like an ass clown. Obama is President not Bush. Bush could have been the worse President in modern times (He wasn’t) but it’s Obama’s watch right now and Obama is responsible for this economy…NO ONE ELSE!

What was Obama doing for almost four years? Trying to pass Obamacare for the first two when he had a democratic house and senate! Why didn’t he make the changes that were needed to fix the economy?

Obama needs to go! Until this point in time no one ever blamed a previous President for a currnet Presidents lack of ability to do the job correctly. This blame Bush nonsense is ultimately only going to be believed by the far left wingnuts.[/quote]

Funny how you see what I say as talking points. So no need to bring up Romneycare, Mormonism, his record on Growth, how much he paid in taxes, his manipulation of investments, draft dodging and family tradition of non participation (you want a man who’s family would never participate in our military to lead?), out of nowhere shift from moderate repubican to strict line lock in step conservative. All these subjects as critiques are all just talking points as well.

[ZEB]

[quote]Severiano wrote:

Funny how you see what I say as talking points.[/quote]

They are indeed talking points. Obama has failed as President and all we hear from the far left is “It’s Bush’s fault.” That is a pathetic defense for a man who had almost four years and only made things worse! Why do we even bother to have elections? It’s all Bush’s fault and apparently no one from the democratic party can fix it. So we should all just sit back and blame Bush as we sink.
P A T H E T I C.

So no need to bring up Romneycare…

That is what the people of Mass wanted on a state wide basis. as they are more liberal than the general population. And keep in mind they could opt out there were no penalties if they didn’t want it. Quite a bit different than Obamacare, either join or go to jail! Nice. More freedom from the democrats.

Mormonism,

Attacking a man’s religion? Wow…even your hero Obama hasn’t done that …YET. This is America and here you get to choose what religion you want to be, or to not believe if that is your wish. It’s called freedom Bub! Read some American history instead of posting next time.

how much he paid in taxes,his manipulation of investments

I was hoping that you were not going to say this. Most people understand how investments are taxed. I jsut went through this with Pittbull and thought he was the only one on T Nation PWI that didn’t get it.

Okay. here you go…(Deep sigh). Romney earned his money the old fashion way working hard in a legitimate business. And he paid the top dollar as he earned it, no doubt more than you percentage wise as the top 1% pay 37% of all taxes (those evil rich sure do pay a lot huh?). When he sold his share of the business he put his money in investments. They are taxed at a capital gains rate of 15%. So in essence he was taxed twice on his money the first time at the top rate, the second time at the same rate that every other investor pays who invests in stocks, real estate etc. You didn’t know any of this so don’t pretend.

draft dodging and family tradition of non participation (you want a man who’s family would never participate in our military to lead?),

How many wars did Obama fight in? In fact, who the hell is Obama? Who are his relatives? Where do they live? Where did he get the money to attend Harvard? If I were you I would keep the debate away from the candidates families and on the issues.

shift from moderate repubican to strict line lock in step conservative. All these subjects as critiques are all just talking points as well.

Oh no…you mean a politician changed his mind?

You mean like when Obama promised to do the following but just never kept his word

Close Gitmo?.

Promised to end the Bush tax cuts.

Promised to raise the capital gains tax (that I taught you about above) to 20% from 15%.

Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.

End income tax for seniors making less than 50-k.

Phase out exemptions and deductions for high earners.

You can read the rest of the broken promises here

Obameter: Campaign Promises that are Promise Broken | PolitiFact

I guess we just have to pick between two guys that change their minds a lot huh?

I know who I’m going to choose, someone who has not had almost four years and made things worse…WORSE!

Obama had his chance he promised hope and change and gave us 5 trillion more in debt, high unemployment and a national health care bill that 67% of the public doesn’t want and is so bad it is on the verge of being struck down by the Supreme Court!

Look, I know you are partisan but at least do yourself and the country a favor if you can’t vote for Romney stay home…Obama is the worst modern day President since LBJ.

[smh23]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Attacking a man’s religion? Wow…even your hero Obama hasn’t done that …YET. This is America and here you get to choose what religion you want to be, or to not believe if that is your wish. It’s called freedom Bub! Read some American history instead of posting next time.

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To say (proudly) that this country protects the freedom to worship is not to say that a man’s deepest convictions–ones that inform his character and in many ways define him as a human being–ought to be ignored as he seeks the highest political office on earth.

Romney’s religion is not an automatic dealbreaker for me, but I would be lying if I said it didn’t give me pause. More than 90 percent of Mormons are literalists, and that kind of thing matters to me, especially when the texts in question are as utterly fatuous as the Book of Mormon.

I am fairly certain that you would have an issue with an avowed atheist as a presidential candidate. Obama’s participation in Wright’s stupid Church and Romney’s Mormonism are both fair game in my book.

[ZEB]

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Attacking a man’s religion? Wow…even your hero Obama hasn’t done that …YET. This is America and here you get to choose what religion you want to be, or to not believe if that is your wish. It’s called freedom Bub! Read some American history instead of posting next time.

[/quote]

To say (proudly) that this country protects the freedom to worship is not to say that a man’s deepest convictions–ones that inform his character and in many ways define him as a human being–ought to be ignored as he seeks the highest political office on earth.[/quote]

That’s true so why did the main stream liberal media ignore Obama attending a racist church for over 20 years? Oh wait I know…they wanted him to win.

Romney’s religion is not an automatic dealbreaker for me, but I would be lying if I said it didn’t give me pause. More than 90 percent of Mormons are literalists, and that kind of thing matters to me, especially when the texts in question are as utterly fatuous as the Book of Mormon.

I understand your point, but if you take a good look at religion in general it is all a leap of faith. Who is to say from an anti religious standpoint that Mormonism is any worse than Christianity in the believability department? Granted there are far more Christians than Mormons in the US, but that shouldn’t make a difference. If Mormonism scares you how do you feel about burning bushes talking? And a man walking on water? And all the other amazing things in the Christian Bible, which I believe by the way.

I am fairly certain that you would have an issue with an avowed atheist as a presidential candidate. Obama’s participation in Wright’s stupid Church and Romney’s Mormonism are both fair game in my book.

Actually, I’ve said before right here on T Nation that I could not care less if there was an atheist running for President that would matter far less to me than if I thought he could do the job. If you, God forbid, you were in a car crash and had to be rushed to the hospital prior to the doctor performing an operation to save your life would you look up and ask if he was a Christian (Or whatever)? I know I wouldn’t I would be praying he could do the job whatever his religion, or lack thereof!

America is in very serious trouble right now and Barack Obama cannot get us out of this mess. He’s shown himself to be a big government spender (among other things undesirable). And for no other reason we need to change leaders and hope that Romney is the man who can make a difference. Whether he is a Mormon, a Jew, a Catholic or an atheist matters not to me compared to how I think he can perform. I would absolutely vote for him over Obama regardless!

[orion]

[quote]smh23 wrote:

I am fairly certain that you would have an issue with an avowed atheist as a presidential candidate. Obama’s participation in Wright’s stupid Church and Romney’s Mormonism are both fair game in my book.[/quote]

Its is really hard to be an atheist literalist.

That is kind of unfair.

[sufiandy]

As someone who a lot of you would claim gets most of their information from the “liberal media” I have yet to see anything negative about Romney being a Mormon. The coverage I’ve seen is about the same as Obama’s Church.

Edit: Really the only thing that comes up is the comparison to Kennedy being the first Catholic

[smh23]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Attacking a man’s religion? Wow…even your hero Obama hasn’t done that …YET. This is America and here you get to choose what religion you want to be, or to not believe if that is your wish. It’s called freedom Bub! Read some American history instead of posting next time.

[/quote]

To say (proudly) that this country protects the freedom to worship is not to say that a man’s deepest convictions–ones that inform his character and in many ways define him as a human being–ought to be ignored as he seeks the highest political office on earth.[/quote]

That’s true so why did the main stream liberal media ignore Obama attending a racist church for over 20 years? Oh wait I know…they wanted him to win.

Romney’s religion is not an automatic dealbreaker for me, but I would be lying if I said it didn’t give me pause. More than 90 percent of Mormons are literalists, and that kind of thing matters to me, especially when the texts in question are as utterly fatuous as the Book of Mormon.

I understand your point, but if you take a good look at religion in general it is all a leap of faith. Who is to say from an anti religious standpoint that Mormonism is any worse than Christianity in the believability department? Granted there are far more Christians than Mormons in the US, but that shouldn’t make a difference. If Mormonism scares you how do you feel about burning bushes talking? And a man walking on water? And all the other amazing things in the Christian Bible, which I believe by the way.

I am fairly certain that you would have an issue with an avowed atheist as a presidential candidate. Obama’s participation in Wright’s stupid Church and Romney’s Mormonism are both fair game in my book.

Actually, I’ve said before right here on T Nation that I could not care less if there was an atheist running for President that would matter far less to me than if I thought he could do the job. If you, God forbid, you were in a car crash and had to be rushed to the hospital prior to the doctor performing an operation to save your life would you look up and ask if he was a Christian (Or whatever)? I know I wouldn’t I would be praying he could do the job whatever his religion, or lack thereof!

America is in very serious trouble right now and Barack Obama cannot get us out of this mess. He’s shown himself to be a big government spender (among other things undesirable). And for no other reason we need to change leaders and hope that Romney is the man who can make a difference. Whether he is a Mormon, a Jew, a Catholic or an atheist matters not to me compared to how I think he can perform. I would absolutely vote for him over Obama regardless![/quote]

I see your point re: the doctor (though there are obviously many differences, and we care about the lives of our presidential candidates in unparalleled ways. To take one example: I could give a damn if my doctor cheated on his wife, but we prefer our presidents to be faithful). And if you say that you wouldn’t really care if a candidate were an atheist, then I cede that point as well.

I’m glad you brought up the issue of Mormonism vs. Christianity in terms of believability. You are right: objectively and relying only on empirical evidence it is no more unbelievable that Joseph Smith spoke to God than that Jesus was His son. But of course, with mainstream Christianity so ingrained in our Western psyches, it is difficult in practice to see it that way. Smith also has the disadvantage of having lived more recently, and we therefore know much more about him (the trial for using seerstones, the people on the moon, etc.). There is also the problem of literalism (for me): Mormons tend to be scriptural literalists at much, much higher rates than people who identify themselves as Christian.

But in all, I pretty much agree with you. I merely wanted to make the point that I think it’s not out of line to consider a candidate’s beliefs in weighing his (her, someday) merits and weaknesses.

[smh23]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
As someone who a lot of you would claim gets most of their information from the “liberal media” I have yet to see anything negative about Romney being a Mormon. The coverage I’ve seen is about the same as Obama’s Church.

Edit: Really the only thing that comes up is the comparison to Kennedy being the first Catholic[/quote]

This is another good point. The New York Times has approached it almost as an asset for him.

[SexMachine]

"The next time President Obama hits the links, it will be his 100th round of golf since coming to the White House. That’s quite a milestone in just 3 1/2 years. As it takes him about six hours to drive to the greens and complete 18 holes, Mr. Obama has spent the equivalent of four months’ worth of work time golfing. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy has been stuck in a sand trap…

By the time Mr. Obama gave this year’s State of the Union address, he had 93 golf games on his scorecard. Unemployment was 8.3 percent, having never gone below 8 percent in his presidency. He took no responsibility for the $15.2 trillion debt or the nation’s credit-rating downgrade. Instead, he called for higher taxes and the “Buffett rule” while hosting the billionaire’s secretary in his guest box for the speech."

MILLER: Obama’s 100th golf round

[Severiano]

Hey ZEB. When I brought up investments I was talking about his blind investment portfolio which obviously wasn’t blind at all. If you have any knowledge about blind investment portfolio’s and Romney’s words, you will see what I’m talking about. If you invest, you know its a scam, Romney called it a scam himself in the past/oldest trick in the book.

As for the draft dodging issue, you conveniently forget Obama’s grandfather participated in WW2. If Obama had been born 15 years earlier, maybe he would have had a chance to DODGE THE DRAFT LIKE ROMNEY DID. But he didn’t have that opportunity.

On Romneycare, it’s interesting to see how certain people can call Obama a socialist for his version of this policy, when Romney does it, it’s patriotic liberty fries, patriot toast and Apple pie (non german sort). I could come up with some nice 1984 references and bring up some group think and double speech, but what’s the point? Just talking points right?

The deficit inheritance, man that’s just amazing how you feel no blame should be put on G Dubya. I guess I really shouldn’t hold a grudge against him for my OIC’s death in Fallujah, being we went there because they had all those stockpiles of wmd’s. I mean, we didn’t spent much money in Iraq, did we?

I have my beef with Obama as well, believe me. The way you stick up for Romney and Bush, it’s disturbing. They can do no wrong in your eyes. But like I said, if Romney somehow gets elected, you should take my advice and invest in Gold.

[countingbeans]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
"The next time President Obama hits the links, it will be his 100th round of golf since coming to the White House. That’s quite a milestone in just 3 1/2 years. As it takes him about six hours to drive to the greens and complete 18 holes, Mr. Obama has spent the equivalent of four months’ worth of work time golfing. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy has been stuck in a sand trap…

By the time Mr. Obama gave this year’s State of the Union address, he had 93 golf games on his scorecard. Unemployment was 8.3 percent, having never gone below 8 percent in his presidency. He took no responsibility for the $15.2 trillion debt or the nation’s credit-rating downgrade. Instead, he called for higher taxes and the “Buffett rule” while hosting the billionaire’s secretary in his guest box for the speech."

MILLER: Obama’s 100th golf round

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I am not defending this clown, but lets be honest, the man is allowed to play golf less than once a week on average in 3.5 years. FFS he is a human, and relaxation might just help him to stop making asshole choices.

I mean, it isn’t like he punches a clock every day. Who is to say he didn’t work until 3am the night before?

This is pointless bullshit, and they tried to drag Bush through the mud the same way with his vacations on the ranch or whatever.

[ZEB]

[quote]Severiano wrote:
Hey ZEB. When I brought up investments I was talking about his blind investment portfolio which obviously wasn’t blind at all. If you have any knowledge about blind investment portfolio’s and Romney’s words, you will see what I’m talking about. If you invest, you know its a scam, Romney called it a scam himself in the past/oldest trick in the book.[/quote]

Why don’t you tell us all about that, every detail as you know it. Then we can all be as informed as you think you are.

As for the draft dodging issue, you conveniently forget Obama’s grandfather participated in WW2. If Obama had been born 15 years earlier, maybe he would have had a chance to DODGE THE DRAFT LIKE ROMNEY DID. But he didn’t have that opportunity.

You can also tell us all exactly how Mitt Romney dodged the draft? And then you can tell us how Bill Clinton did it. And while you’re at it tell us all about Obama’s past because no one seems to know very much about it. And I think that’s rather odd don’t you?

On Romneycare, it’s interesting to see how certain people can call Obama a socialist for his version of this policy, when Romney does it, it’s patriotic liberty fries, patriot toast and Apple pie (non german sort). I could come up with some nice 1984 references and bring up some group think and double speech, but what’s the point? Just talking points right?

I am not claiming that the health care in Mass was something that I would prefer. But then I don’t live in that liberal of a state. The people in Mass wanted it and Romney gave it to them. He’s a politician and he was leading a group of more liberal voters. And as I’ve already told you there was no penalty if you didn’t sign up. Obama’s version is far, far worse with fines and jail time if you don’t participate. And as I’ve already told you about 67% of America is against Obamacare. There are other differences as well.

[quote]The deficit inheritance, man that’s just amazing how you feel no blame should be put on G Dubya.
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I’m surprised that you would bring this up because the debt has increased more under Obama in 3 1/2 years than during Bush’s 8 years in office.

Here you go take a look at the chart.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

Obama is a disaster. Him self said that the Bush debt was “unpatriotic.” If that’s the case Obama should be tried for treason!

I guess I really shouldn’t hold a grudge against him for my OIC’s death in Fallujah, being we went there because they had all those stockpiles of wmd’s. I mean, we didn’t spent much money in Iraq, did we?

You mean the war that John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and top democrats on the armed services committee signed off on? That war?

And why are you bothering to mention Bush? He’s not running for President? Obama is running for President I have not seen one word of defense for his horrible 3 1/2 years in office. Why are you not bragging about how he’s lowered unemployment? It’s higher now than when your favorite punching bag, Bush was in office. Why are you not bragging about he’s lowered the debt? It’s higher now than when Bush was in office. Why are you not bragging about how he’s closed Gitmo as promised? Because he’s not done any of these things. I gave you a nice long list of his broken promises how come no comment on them? Are you proud of his record? Doesn’t sound like it. When someone starts slamming Bush who has been out of office since 08’ I know that they cannot defend Obama. Very transparent!

I have my beef with Obama as well, believe me. The way you stick up for Romney and Bush, it’s disturbing. They can do no wrong in your eyes.

I thought it odd that you would attack Bush, but sure I’d much rather have him as President than the failure that currently holds down the job. As for Romney, I’ve talked about his resume many times on T Nation, double major at Harvard, business and law advanced degrees (By the way did you figure out how Obama could afford Harvard yet? Or why Harvard has hidden his grades? Let me know when you crack those two). Romney saved the Olympics which was under water, he made a pile of money in business (A good thing for those of us who admire success). And he was a governor. I don’t see a problem in giving him a chance at the White House. He’s well qualified and has vast executive experience. And that’s something lacking in the three worst Presidents of the modern era, LBJ, Jimmy Carter and now Obama, none had executive experience.

Simple, Obama has failed let’s give someone else a chance. If he can’t do it then we can boot him out as well. Why stick with a proven failure?

But like I said, if Romney somehow gets elected, you should take my advice and invest in Gold.

Why because Obama has made the dollar strong? LOL PULEEEEZE!

[Severiano]

Romney is on record for calling blind investment portfolio’s a ruse, and equated them to a scam. He takes part in the very same scam he criticized in the past.

Romney dodged the draft with 4 deferments. I have 2 uncles who were drafted, one of them had the back of his skull blown off by a tank mine that someone else triggered thank you. My grandfather is a ww2 vet, and I am a vet as well. Dodging is dodging. To be honest, I wasn’t old enough to vote when Clinton was in office, so he is pretty irrelevant isn’t he? Have you seen me bring up Ronald Reagan and his ability to be bi-partisan? Or that he raised taxes more times than can be counted on 2 hands? I don’t think it’s very relevant unless someone invokes his name in defense of Romney, I credit you for not making the comparison. But at the same time I have not invoked Clinton’s name. You probably have categorized me as a frothing at the mouth liberal, which I am not.

I have never liked Pelosi, or Billary Clinton. I hold them all responsible as well, but at the end of the day more of the burden is on Bush for Iraq.

As for the deficit, there was the stimulus package under 1 tril. What programs did Obama put forth which increased spending? Can you tell me because I cant find any.

Bush got us into 2 wars, one of them perhaps because he wanted some vengeance for an attack against his daddy and he hooked up a prescription drug plan that cost nearly a trillion a year, where were the funds for the two wars and the prescription drug plan? You conveniently left out the fact that bush is responsible for 12 trillion of the deficit, as well as an economic state that continues to hemorrhage money.

I don’t like corporation personhood, I don’t like the idea of this country becoming Romney corp.

[ZEB]

[quote]Severiano wrote:
Romney is on record for calling blind investment portfolio’s a ruse, and equated them to a scam. He takes part in the very same scam he criticized in the past.[/quote]

So he’s not happy about the current system but participates in it anyway because that is the law. Well…what a horrible man. No really is that all you got?

Romney dodged the draft with 4 deferments. I have 2 uncles who were drafted, one of them had the back of his skull blown off by a tank mine that someone else triggered thank you. My grandfather is a ww2 vet, and I am a vet as well. Dodging is dodging.

He avoided going to Viet Nam? Is that your gripe? He didn’t go to Viet Nam therefore he shouldn’t be President? Do you realize that many of the greatest Presidents whoever lived didn’t go to war. And you can start that list with Abaarham Lincoln, FDR (if you like socialist Presidents) and Harry Truman just to name three. Then there was modern democrat hero Bill Clinton who actually left the country to avoid the draft, I believe he attended Oxford. Of course GW Bush served in the Air National Guard but you’ll be happy to know since you hate him so much that most say he did this to avoid actual combat. And of course your hero Obama never served. Was in a socialist militia in college? Ha ha…

To be honest, I wasn’t old enough to vote when Clinton was in office, so he is pretty irrelevant isn’t he?

Probably to Hillary but not as an example of yet one more President how didn’t join the militar and went to great extremes to avoid it.

Have you seen me bring up Ronald Reagan and his ability to be bi-partisan? Or that he raised taxes more times than can be counted on 2 hands? I don’t think it’s very relevant unless someone invokes his name in defense of Romney, I credit you for not making the comparison. But at the same time I have not invoked Clinton’s name. You probably have categorized me as a frothing at the mouth liberal, which I am not.

Glad you mentioned the Gipper, he never served in the military either, although he was in several war movies but that doesn’t count. By the way by lowering taxes to the lowest they’ve been at over the past 60 years he created 20 million private sector jobs. You’d think the democrats would learn a thing or two from this but noooo they have to pander to a certain sector of people and create class warfare. Sad isn’t it? And no I don’t think that you’re a frothing at the mouth liberal. You are a guy who has a certain opinion about democrats vs republicans that happens to be inaccurate. But I think you hold these views because you don’t have all the information.

I have never liked Pelosi, or Billary Clinton. I hold them all responsible as well, but at the end of the day more of the burden is on Bush for Iraq.

The burden is on all of them! All those who are in power have responsibility.

A[quote]s for the deficit, there was the stimulus package under 1 tril. What programs did Obama put forth which increased spending? Can you tell me because I cant find any.[/quote]

Did you see the chart I posted? Come on man I’m not going to waste my time giving you cool charts if you’re not going to read them. Obama raised the debt about 5 trillion dollars in 3 1/2 years which is more than Bush did in his 8 years in office. You should be mad about that are you? Or will you give him a pass like the liberals who are frothing at the mouth?

Bush got us into 2 wars, one of them perhaps because he wanted some vengeance for an attack against his daddy and he hooked up a prescription drug plan that cost nearly a trillion a year, where were the funds for the two wars and the prescription drug plan? You conveniently left out the fact that bush is responsible for 12 trillion of the deficit, as well as an economic state that continues to hemorrhage money.

I left that out because you are wrong! Go read the chart I posted. Secondly, you left out a little fact about how we were attacked on our own soil we had to react to the Taliban and Elqida if we didn’t there would have been follow up attacks. So I like the invasion of Afghanistan. Iraq was a mistake in my opinion but while it was lead by Bush, as I said John Kerry, Pelosi and top dems from the Armed services committee also signed off on it. Stop just hating republicans in particular Bush that’s what the MSLM wants you to do. Think for yourself.

I don’t like corporation personhood, I don’t like the idea of this country becoming Romney corp.

Those two things do not make sense my friend. Sorry.

Corporations employ millions of people so don’t hate the concept of business growing everyone wins when that happens.

And don’t hate Romney because he was a success in business that is who we need right now. Someone who can actually understand the economy because Obama has failed us miserably and he must be defeated because of this!

And if we don’t start turning this mess around and in fact go further in the ditch there will be no country!

We are in deep trouble put your partisanship aside and elect someone who has executive experience, business experience and is a very smart guy–Mitt Romney!

You don’t have to be excited about it just hold your nose and vote. I assure you he will do no worse and probably a whole lot better than a a guy who had zilch for experience before he won the highest office in the land on promises of hope and change.

Obama needs to go!

[andy_steven]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
Romney is on record for calling blind investment portfolio’s a ruse, and equated them to a scam. He takes part in the very same scam he criticized in the past.[/quote]

So he’s not happy about the current system but participates in it anyway because that is the law. Well…what a horrible man. No really is that all you got?

Romney dodged the draft with 4 deferments. I have 2 uncles who were drafted, one of them had the back of his skull blown off by a tank mine that someone else triggered thank you. My grandfather is a ww2 vet, and I am a vet as well. Dodging is dodging.

He avoided going to Viet Nam? Is that your gripe? He didn’t go to Viet Nam therefore he shouldn’t be President? Do you realize that many of the greatest Presidents whoever lived didn’t go to war. And you can start that list with Abaarham Lincoln, FDR (if you like socialist Presidents) and Harry Truman just to name three. Then there was modern democrat hero Bill Clinton who actually left the country to avoid the draft, I believe he attended Oxford. Of course GW Bush served in the Air National Guard but you’ll be happy to know since you hate him so much that most say he did this to avoid actual combat. And of course your hero Obama never served. Was in a socialist militia in college? Ha ha…

To be honest, I wasn’t old enough to vote when Clinton was in office, so he is pretty irrelevant isn’t he?

Probably to Hillary but not as an example of yet one more President how didn’t join the militar and went to great extremes to avoid it.

Have you seen me bring up Ronald Reagan and his ability to be bi-partisan? Or that he raised taxes more times than can be counted on 2 hands? I don’t think it’s very relevant unless someone invokes his name in defense of Romney, I credit you for not making the comparison. But at the same time I have not invoked Clinton’s name. You probably have categorized me as a frothing at the mouth liberal, which I am not.

Glad you mentioned the Gipper, he never served in the military either, although he was in several war movies but that doesn’t count. By the way by lowering taxes to the lowest they’ve been at over the past 60 years he created 20 million private sector jobs. You’d think the democrats would learn a thing or two from this but noooo they have to pander to a certain sector of people and create class warfare. Sad isn’t it? And no I don’t think that you’re a frothing at the mouth liberal. You are a guy who has a certain opinion about democrats vs republicans that happens to be inaccurate. But I think you hold these views because you don’t have all the information.

I have never liked Pelosi, or Billary Clinton. I hold them all responsible as well, but at the end of the day more of the burden is on Bush for Iraq.

The burden is on all of them! All those who are in power have responsibility.

A[quote]s for the deficit, there was the stimulus package under 1 tril. What programs did Obama put forth which increased spending? Can you tell me because I cant find any.[/quote]

Did you see the chart I posted? Come on man I’m not going to waste my time giving you cool charts if you’re not going to read them. Obama raised the debt about 5 trillion dollars in 3 1/2 years which is more than Bush did in his 8 years in office. You should be mad about that are you? Or will you give him a pass like the liberals who are frothing at the mouth?

Bush got us into 2 wars, one of them perhaps because he wanted some vengeance for an attack against his daddy and he hooked up a prescription drug plan that cost nearly a trillion a year, where were the funds for the two wars and the prescription drug plan? You conveniently left out the fact that bush is responsible for 12 trillion of the deficit, as well as an economic state that continues to hemorrhage money.

I left that out because you are wrong! Go read the chart I posted. Secondly, you left out a little fact about how we were attacked on our own soil we had to react to the Taliban and Elqida if we didn’t there would have been follow up attacks. So I like the invasion of Afghanistan. Iraq was a mistake in my opinion but while it was lead by Bush, as I said John Kerry, Pelosi and top dems from the Armed services committee also signed off on it. Stop just hating republicans in particular Bush that’s what the MSLM wants you to do. Think for yourself.

I don’t like corporation personhood, I don’t like the idea of this country becoming Romney corp.

Those two things do not make sense my friend. Sorry.

Corporations employ millions of people so don’t hate the concept of business growing everyone wins when that happens.

And don’t hate Romney because he was a success in business that is who we need right now. Someone who can actually understand the economy because Obama has failed us miserably and he must be defeated because of this!

And if we don’t start turning this mess around and in fact go further in the ditch there will be no country!

We are in deep trouble put your partisanship aside and elect someone who has executive experience, business experience and is a very smart guy–Mitt Romney!

You don’t have to be excited about it just hold your nose and vote. I assure you he will do no worse and probably a whole lot better than a a guy who had zilch for experience before he won the highest office in the land on promises of hope and change.

Obama needs to go![/quote]

very well said

[Fletch1986]

Obama in large part hasn’t gotten anything done because:

A. He doesn’t know how to reach across party lines and make baby steps towards an end like Clinton and

B. Congress is Obstructionist

Also keep in the mind that countries in Europe promoting austerity are being hit the hardest by the world wide depression. I don’t think America following the same path will lead to a different outcome.

I think we would be a lot worse off with higher unemployment if McCain had been elected, but Obama leaves a lot to be begged for.

I would vote for Romney the governor for president, but not Romney the candidate. They’re like completely different men. Heck in Texas, Romney the governor would be democrat.

[ZEB]

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Obama in large part hasn’t gotten anything done because:

A. He doesn’t know how to reach across party lines and make baby steps towards an end like Clinton and

B. Congress is Obstructionist

Also keep in the mind that countries in Europe promoting austerity are being hit the hardest by the world wide depression. I don’t think America following the same path will lead to a different outcome.

I think we would be a lot worse off with higher unemployment if McCain had been elected, but Obama leaves a lot to be begged for.

I would vote for Romney the governor for president, but not Romney the candidate. They’re like completely different men. Heck in Texas, Romney the governor would be democrat.[/quote]

Keep in mind a leader reflects the wishes of his constituents. If he were Governor of Texas he would obviously be more conservative. Not enough is spoken about this. It’s much easier to paint Romney as a flip flopper that makes political hay. But I have no doubt as President that he would lead center right just as most voters would want.

[spar4tee]

no

[BrianHanson]

It’s pretty easy to see that congress and the GOP has put electing Romney over the well being of the US and its people. Their refusal to pass any meaningful legislation, coupled with their constant attempts to undermine the president has made it very clear that they lack even the vaguest sense of patriotism or duty to their country. However since Obama will be re-elected in the fall, they can continue to not do their jobs for four more years.