And for the record, I think that allowing the Bush-era tax cuts to expire during a time of deep economic malaise would (will?) be disastrous.
Failed president. Failed presidency.
On the economy he keeps telling us it’s Bush’s fault. That is an admission of failure. He has has over three and a half years to sort it out and by his own admission can’t. Imagine the United States were a major league sports franchise with the Obama administration as a new coach and players brought in to take control of the winningest team in franchise history. If he then proceeded to deliver three and a half of the worst seasons in history while blaming all his failures on the previous coach and team he would be replaced.
Obama disparages Romney for being a rich guy and making lots of money in business. But lets think about this logically. Romney has experience handling large sums of his own money successfully. That shows he has the smarts to handle money which is what we need. Obama on the other hand has handled our money worse than Mike Tyson.
On foreign policy, another great failure. Killing Bin Laden was a no brainer. But he was only one man holed up in isolation. The ongoing overseas contingency continues despite his death. Iran is on the verge of having the bomb if they don’t already have it.
The Stuxnet virus was implemented at the end of the Bush administration in order to give the incoming Obama administration time to get itself sorted out and come up with a plan for Iran. It was only a stopgap measure that was not intended to still be relied upon by now. As I predicted in this forum four years ago Obama will just try to kick the can down the street as long as he can with Iran and not resolve it.
Egypt is about to elect a muslim brother hood president. Jimmy Carter lost Iran and now Obama has lost Egypt.
[quote]andy.steven wrote:
who thinks with everything thats gone on and surround him that
he’s a good president? hell no
he’s even american born? maybe but doubt it. think proving it pre election should be mandated!
even a leader? hell no
socialist? hell yes
[/quote]
He’s a Christian and a Black Supremacist…either one of which means he’s nuts.
He’s actually a pseudo-Christian though, which may be worse. He plays at being Christian so he’s also a phony.
Take a big shit, America, and dump that flop = potus.
Just look at the people he’s surrounded himself with and you’ll know he’s a socialist. Come on, Van Jones? The guy’s a confessed communist. Half of his czars look up to Mao Zedong. Who in their right mind does that?
THE ECONOMY
To relay what ZEB said, he wants to “redistribute the wealth.” You know what that’s code for? Socialism. He wants to raise the tax levels on the top tax bracket so that they’ll “pay their fair share.” What about the 50% of America that doesn’t pay any income taxes? How about you go after them and have them pay their fair share? The top 1% carry 47% of the tax burden in this country which is ridiculous when you think about how many people are in the 1% and then how many people are NOT.
Meanwhile, the deficit has more than quadrupled under Obama and the debt has seen $5 trillion added to it. He said Bush was un-American for spending that much? Take a look in the mirror, dumbass. Also, the corporate taxes are up the ass forcing businesses to go overseas. There’s over $1 U.S. dollars in offshore accounts waiting to be spent but the businesses can’t afford to stay here so they outsource to other countries where the taxes are lower.
Interest rates are another funny story. The Fed has them at 0%. What kind of crap is that? American’s are borrowing and spending cheap money at a rate that hasn’t been seen in American history. Higher interest rates would force Americans to save more money and put more away. Once they do this, the banks have safer money to loan out to QUALIFIED PEOPLE that can actually pay it back.
THE ENVIRONMENT
Oh dear God, what a load of crap this has been. Yeah, Obama, let’s go to cap and trade and completely wreck the coal and oil industry. Let’s jack up gas prices to $6 a gallon so that Americans will use less. Listen to me, an economy cannot grow when gas prices are through the roof while oil is almost $80 a barrel. This is nuts. The fact that he’s restricting the coal production and mining in the Appalachians is one of the reasons why that area is so poor. The people have no jobs because Obama’s squeezing them off for fear of “climate change.” And these jobs would be private sector, too!
And not to mention that he didn’t approve the Keystone XL pipeline that would have created over 20,000 private sector jobs. This one thing that I think Romney would be able to deliver on.
HEALTH CARE
Again, Obama takes the stupidity cake on this one. Socializing health care is probably the worst idea to come out of this administration. Do you know what the tax levels are like in places where there’s free healthcare for everybody? Their through the fucking roof. Take a look at our neighbor to north, friendly ol’ Canada. The citizens of Canada have to wait more than a month to get a cold looked at. The waiting periods are out of this world. People aren’t getting the necessary treatment for some diseases so they come to America to get them done. Why? Because the socialization of health care doesn’t work. Why won’t he look at this and see the truth?
HIS FAITH
I will say this will full faith in this statement: Obama is not a Christian. That’s the biggest load of shit I’ve heard in a long time. I’m 17 and hear a lot of stupid shit from a lot of people. He’s a poser. Not that a president’s faith should matter, but this is a travesty to Christianity for him to have sat in Reverend Wright’s pews for 20 years listening to the anti-American hate speech that he would spew every Sunday.
IMMIGRATION
He’s taking credit for the Bush administration’s policies. Obama hasn’t enacted one piece of legislation reforming immigration. Instead, he’s kept in place Bush’s ideas. This is another failed promise. The fact that there are 12 million illegals in this country at this very moment taking jobs from deserving Americans is just sickening and he’s done nothing about it!
THE WAR ON TERRORISM
He’s too soft. Let go of the CIA’s balls and let them do their thing. Also, stop putting this outrageous rules on engagement on the troops. Young men and women are dying because this joker wants to be PC.
Well, that’s my review of the Obama administration. Have at it.
I don’t like Romney, either. He’s too moderate for me. I know ZEB is going to come in and try and convince me that Romney is a staunch Conservative, but this is one area where we will not see eye to eye. He’s a flip flopper and enacted Romneycare in Massachusetts. Absolutely disgraceful.
CS
Good breakdown CSE but if you could stay on task and do a break down like that for the Packers…
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Good breakdown CSE but if you could stay on task and do a break down like that for the Packers…[/quote]
Lol. I don’t think they have a shot at the Superbowl again if they don’t get that defense in order. They really need help in their secondary because Nick Collins is a huge question mark and Charles Woodson is gone.
CS
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
I’m 17
CS[/quote]
Is that a typo?
No way you aren’t old enough to drink, lol.
@CSEagles1694
If your really only 17 and have that much knowledge and sense I must say you have a very bright future. We need more young people to see and believe as you do for this country to stay alive… and thrive!
@storey420
you are a dipshit and its a shame to say your from dallas, thats where I grew up and your are an utter idiot. move to austin or california, you’ll fit in better
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
ZEB,
If I left a pair of underwear laying around would you take it home and sniff it a lot or would you actually wear it? Having a stalker is neat.
[/quote]
That actually made me laugh–And not the usual laugh I have reading your posts.
Anyway don’t pat yourself on the back idiot. If you think I’m going to avoid a thread about Obama or Romney because you’re on it spewing your usual senseless liberal tripe think again.
You are not a smart person, but you’ve probably been told that already.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
And for the record, I think that allowing the Bush-era tax cuts to expire during a time of deep economic malaise would (will?) be disastrous.[/quote]
And you are correct!
(Finally)
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]andy.steven wrote:
Severiano,
ok i see your point now, I think Romney needs no praise and Obama, well people need to look at the whole picture. free this and free that is fine in theory but does any truly communist or socalist country ever prosper as a whole? no… looks good on paper but doesnt work. theory is great tho. The far left mind set or far right are lunatics in their own rights and are extremists. balance is the key to everything.
The world is at a balance from the sun, closer or farther were dead, our bodies are balanced, balance is out of wack it causes death, too many cattle grazing grass is gone cattle die, endless examples but bottom line is the only way to survive is BALANCE[/quote]
I agree completely about balance, but you seem to be implying that Obama is a “communist or socialist.” This isn’t an attack on you individually, because that line of thinking is par for the course on this board, but I have to comment briefly:
Anyone who claims Obama to be a socialist/communist is either mistaken about Obama’s politics or about the fundamental characteristics of socialism (and probably both). That the two are so often (speciously) equated is a problem for both Obama and for our contemporary understanding of one of the 20th century’s most important and destructive political ideologies (which is being diluted and euphemized in much the same way as the term ‘fascist’).
A socialist economy is characterized most prominently by complete or substantial public ownership of the means of production (and also distribution and exchange)–i.e., the nationalization of industry. From that point the economy may be to some significant degree “planned”–that is, the satisfaction of society’s various material needs is the direct goal of production rather than an indirect byproduct of the profit motive.
The above is not an accurate description of either Barack Obama’s record or of his stated aims. In fact, Obama and Romney and whoever else you’d like to throw into the mix are all advocates of the exact same economic system-- a form of government-regulated capitalism. The differences between them are matters of magnitude and degree: Obama would like more market regulation and higher taxes on high-income individuals coupled with more spending on the social safety net. Romney would like the opposite. Neither of them wants to do away with the entire economic system as it is.
Which is not to say that there aren’t differences. And Obama’s desire to tick the tax rate up three points on the wealthy is not insignificant. Neither is his support of the so-called Buffet Rule. They undoubtedly put Obama to Romney’s left. But they do not make him a socialist. To say so is to lie about Obama and to be flippant with an ideology that claimed million of lives in the recent past.[/quote]
I agree with most of what you’ve written.
But to control 1/7th of the nations economy via obamacare is indeed a step toward socialism. And to impose the type of regulation on various areas of business is one more step. And if Obama is reelected with no electorate to answer to I think we’ll see him take several more steps to the left and that would be disastrous for the country. Will that make him a socialist? Maybe…maybe not, but either way it isn’t good.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
I don’t like Romney, either. He’s too moderate for me. I know ZEB is going to come in and try and convince me that Romney is a staunch Conservative…
CS[/quote]
I will never try to convince you that he is more conservative than many of the candidates who opposed him in the primary. All I have to do is convince you that he is more conservative than Obama, and if you are a smart guy, and I think you are, you already know that.
As a (conservative) voter you only have three choices and two of them help Obama get reelected:
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Vote for Romney
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Vote for Obama
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Don’t vote for either man
The choice is clear on what I’m going to do. And before election day I’m going to write the Romney campaign a check for the maximum amount allowed by law.
Obama needs to go!
[quote]andy.steven wrote:
@storey420
you are a dipshit and its a shame to say your from dallas, thats where I grew up and your are an utter idiot. move to austin or california, you’ll fit in better[/quote]
You’re wrong about Storey we don’t always agree but he’s a pertty smart guy.
ZEB
i may be wrong but going off of his babbling e is not showing he has any sense. Part of being a smart guy is being able to contribute to a conversation, not make a mockery of it.
Storey420
i apoligize for my negative comment.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
I don’t like Romney, either. He’s too moderate for me. I know ZEB is going to come in and try and convince me that Romney is a staunch Conservative…
CS[/quote]
I will never try to convince you that he is more conservative than many of the candidates who opposed him in the primary. All I have to do is convince you that he is more conservative than Obama, and if you are a smart guy, and I think you are, you already know that.
As a (conservative) voter you only have three choices and two of them help Obama get reelected:
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Vote for Romney
-
Vote for Obama
-
Don’t vote for either man
The choice is clear on what I’m going to do. And before election day I’m going to write the Romney campaign a check for the maximum amount allowed by law.
Obama needs to go![/quote]
Thanks, ZEB, I know you mean well. And I will be able to vote this year (Yay!). I was considering not voting at all because I don’t like either candidate, but since I despise Obama so much, I’m just going to vote for Romney. That means 2016 is open to a real candidate.
CS
No offense taken Andy, I was just funning as they say and actually I do live in Austin. It says I live in Dallas? Makavali’s humorous jab got me back off track. But in all seriousness I derailed it initially because I really couldnt understand why the post post was a whole new thread and not just another comment on any one of the other umpteen threads as it wasnt exactly new/substantial insight. Dont take it personal man and I did comment on track, which I thought was pretty clever if I do say so myself 
[quote]andy.steven wrote:
@CSEagles1694
If your really only 17 and have that much knowledge and sense I must say you have a very bright future. We need more young people to see and believe as you do for this country to stay alive… and thrive![/quote]
Lol, thanks, man. I just really like politics.
CS
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
I don’t like Romney, either. He’s too moderate for me. I know ZEB is going to come in and try and convince me that Romney is a staunch Conservative…
CS[/quote]
I will never try to convince you that he is more conservative than many of the candidates who opposed him in the primary. All I have to do is convince you that he is more conservative than Obama, and if you are a smart guy, and I think you are, you already know that.
As a (conservative) voter you only have three choices and two of them help Obama get reelected:
-
Vote for Romney
-
Vote for Obama
-
Don’t vote for either man
The choice is clear on what I’m going to do. And before election day I’m going to write the Romney campaign a check for the maximum amount allowed by law.
Obama needs to go![/quote]
Nah, Romney is George W. part II. Our economy is in better hands with someone who is going to try something that already failed horribly. You can say that the state of the Economy is entirely Obama’s fault all you want, but everybody knows we were spiraling to hell prior to him taking office, and it was Bush’s policies that put us there along with 9/11 itself. George W. Bush makes no excuses for himself, why doesn’t anybody talk about his mistakes in the Republican party? Because it’s convenient not to.
Obama’s continued blaming Bush for the state of the economy is an admission of failure on his part. He’s had over three years to fix it and says he can’t do it. It’s time to bring in someone who will do something different.
Obama’s economic advisors are all ex goldman CEOs…The guy is going to get more money from wallstreet than romney…
And, obama may genuinely want to fix this economy(I don’t really know never met him)…
but, the other people controlling this country are definitely on a different agenda…when you start to meet the people in washington, you start to realize that these people don’t care about anyone but themselves…
it’s a big game to them…