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[quote]I don’t care one way or the other and I doubt you or anyone else will as well.

if this movie starts and in the first five seconds they say, “Hey, Heimdall is going to be black this week because he picked the LONG straw”, by guess is guys like you will still bitch about his skin color even though the REASON was established…so why pretend that a reason would erase your concern?

You are simply pissed because he’s not white.

I doubt everyone cares as much.

Question, every single viking in history was strictly from Nordic descent?

because according to this, there were black Vikings.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

So why is the race only white?[/quote]

You don’t care? I’m calling bullshit on that. Not that you don’t care, but that that’s the reason you won’t answer. You won’t answer because no.1 is obvioulsy the more likely of the two and admitting that is the same as admitting there was no point in you attacking me for saying this in the first place.

You’re basing this assumption that I would still be mad if Heimdall being black was part of the story on nothing. I’ve said nothing to make you assume such so I think you’re just projecting other people you disagree with onto me.

How many times and how many ways am I going to have to say my reasons are NOT ad hoc for you to finally understand this isn’t just me bitching about one non-white Nordic god. You’re simply choosing to ignore that I WASN’T okay with the casting of Airbender and I WOULDN’T be okay with switching up Jakarra arbitrarily. Am I to mention every single character I would take issue with for every single change flying in the face of the established character before this gets through to you?

You’re merely obfuscating the issue at this point. The problem isn’t showing ONE black guy in ancient Scandinavia, it’s about changing a character established to have Nordic features both in the mythology AND the comics into a black guy arbitrarily. THAT’S the issue, a simple continuity error unbacked by any contextual explanation.

I gave a non-contextual explanation that I feel is pretty damn likely and everyone seems to have flipped their shit over it. As though it’s unheard of for a casting choice to be made to spark controversy. =/

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Dude, I am more interested in the fact that there were MANY black Vikings and we NEVER hear about this. had I not just looked it up, I would have possibly gone through life assuming that the racist slant on history we are taught was it.

You tell me what negative can come from other people finding this out?

I don’t give a shit about some minor comic book character who is rarely seen being black…especially since we were basically written OUT of history.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

First, he’s not a great actor. He’s a decent actor. Nothing exceptional. Second, the character is not a universal God, he is a NORSE GOD, of Nordic descent. And why would a God’s choosing to be white be racist? If he chose to be black, or Indonesian would that be racist too? That line doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and is kind of offensive.[/quote]

Offensive? If Loki can fucking change from a man to a woman, then their look is BY CHOICE.

Of Nordic descent? They are NOT HUMAN. What race was Odin’s father and his father before that? What if Odin’s great grandfather was black?

Question, what “descent” is the Christian God? I see a white hand coming out of some clouds touching Adam’s in old paintings but Morgan Freeman played him in a movie.[/quote]

You didn’t answer my question. You said that if a God chose to be white that would be racist. Why?[/quote]

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If God literally said, “I will avoid ever being any other “race””, then yes, that would be racist. If he just happened to choose “white” today, then no, it would not be.

People assuming that Norse Gods would choose to stay white makes little sense in today’s world.

Not to mention that there were black people on that part of the world very active in that history. they were Vikings so why would it be offensive or unbelievable for them to choose to be black for a while?

Why would GOD be white over any other color?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

Again, you don’t seem to see my point. I don’t care that the comics don’t follow 100% with the mythology, that’s the point of the comics. HOWEVER the comics keep a certain continuity relative to itself.

These are Norse gods, therefore Nordic De facto. If Marvell arbitrarily wants them to be able to change their appearance then fine, buy establish a reason. If there’s no established reason then it’s clearly not a contextual reason.

Let me as you point blank, which do you find more likely;

  1. Elba was hired because he was the best actor they could get while being controversial.

or

  1. The director arbitrarily wanted to establish implicitly that these gods can freely change their form by having ONE god differ ONLY in colour and ONLY do it once off screen before the events of the movie.
    [/quote]

I don’t care one way or the other and I doubt you or anyone else will as well.

If this movie starts and in the first five seconds they say, “Hey, Heimdall is going to be black this week because he picked the LONG straw”, my guess is guys like you will still bitch about his skin color even though the REASON was established…so why pretend that a reason would erase your concern?

You are simply pissed because he’s not white.

I doubt everyone cares as much.

Question, every single viking in history was strictly from Nordic descent?

because according to this, there were black Vikings.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

So why is the race only white?[/quote]

And here’s something countering that-

http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/were-the-vikings-black-or-just-ancient-egyptians/

You can find just about anything to support your arguement on the internet. That doesn’t make it so.

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I’m calling bullshit on this too. When you originally attacked my position it had nothing to do with there being black vikings. This is an ex post facto reason created by you to explain why you did it.

I still assert that there’s nothing unreasonable about expecting a Nordic God to be Nordic, or at the very least a contextual reason explaining the relevance of why he’s not.

Personally, I’m 100% with you that there being numerous black vikings is something worth noting and indeed SHOULD be at least mentioned to students learning about ancient Scandinavia given it’s historical relevance (assuming it’s true). However adding nameless black vikings to THOR and making a god already established both in the mythology AND in the comics to be Nordic as non-Nordic seems WAY more like a ploy than an attempted history lesson.
Do you not agree?

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]I don’t care one way or the other and I doubt you or anyone else will as well.

if this movie starts and in the first five seconds they say, “Hey, Heimdall is going to be black this week because he picked the LONG straw”, by guess is guys like you will still bitch about his skin color even though the REASON was established…so why pretend that a reason would erase your concern?

You are simply pissed because he’s not white.

I doubt everyone cares as much.

Question, every single viking in history was strictly from Nordic descent?

because according to this, there were black Vikings.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

So why is the race only white?[/quote]

You don’t care? I’m calling bullshit on that. Not that you don’t care, but that that’s the reason you won’t answer. You won’t answer because no.1 is obvioulsy the more likely of the two and admitting that is the same as admitting there was no point in you attacking me for saying this in the first place.

You’re basing this assumption that I would still be mad if Heimdall being black was part of the story on nothing. I’ve said nothing to make you assume such so I think you’re just projecting other people you disagree with onto me.

How many times and how many ways am I going to have to say my reasons are NOT ad hoc for you to finally understand this isn’t just me bitching about one non-white Nordic god. You’re simply choosing to ignore that I WASN’T okay with the casting of Airbender and I WOULDN’T be okay with switching up Jakarra arbitrarily. Am I to mention every single character I would take issue with for every single change flying in the face of the established character before this gets through to you?

You’re merely obfuscating the issue at this point. The problem isn’t showing ONE black guy in ancient Scandinavia, it’s about changing a character established to have Nordic features both in the mythology AND the comics into a black guy arbitrarily. THAT’S the issue, a simple continuity error unbacked by any contextual explanation.

I gave a non-contextual explanation that I feel is pretty damn likely and everyone seems to have flipped their shit over it. As though it’s unheard of for a casting choice to be made to spark controversy. =/ [/quote]

That was one of my first questions. Where does it state that this god has Nordic features. I’m willing to go with you that the people that thought all of this up many moons ago pictured there gods to look like the person telling the story. But where is it written that this god was white? Or any other color. He was known as the white god, he was also known to enjoy wandering the earthly realms so this god has been many places.

He also sounds like he gets boared and enjoys seeing other things than the same ol same. How am I basing this? Off of his history. And I just made it up. He likes to wander so he gets boared hanging in the same area. Its not written so I made it up. The same way the Marvel writers made up this VERSION of Asgard. Why is there an asian in asgard? Did anyone even look at the clip or just paused on the black actor?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

Again, you don’t seem to see my point. I don’t care that the comics don’t follow 100% with the mythology, that’s the point of the comics. HOWEVER the comics keep a certain continuity relative to itself.

These are Norse gods, therefore Nordic De facto. If Marvell arbitrarily wants them to be able to change their appearance then fine, buy establish a reason. If there’s no established reason then it’s clearly not a contextual reason.

Let me as you point blank, which do you find more likely;

  1. Elba was hired because he was the best actor they could get while being controversial.

or

  1. The director arbitrarily wanted to establish implicitly that these gods can freely change their form by having ONE god differ ONLY in colour and ONLY do it once off screen before the events of the movie.
    [/quote]

I don’t care one way or the other and I doubt you or anyone else will as well.

If this movie starts and in the first five seconds they say, “Hey, Heimdall is going to be black this week because he picked the LONG straw”, my guess is guys like you will still bitch about his skin color even though the REASON was established…so why pretend that a reason would erase your concern?

You are simply pissed because he’s not white.

I doubt everyone cares as much.

Question, every single viking in history was strictly from Nordic descent?

because according to this, there were black Vikings.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

So why is the race only white?[/quote]

And here’s something countering that-

http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/were-the-vikings-black-or-just-ancient-egyptians/

You can find just about anything to support your arguement on the internet. That doesn’t make it so.[/quote]

Uhm, my source has book references.

Your source is a blog from a white guy pissed that black people exist in history.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]I don’t care one way or the other and I doubt you or anyone else will as well.

if this movie starts and in the first five seconds they say, “Hey, Heimdall is going to be black this week because he picked the LONG straw”, by guess is guys like you will still bitch about his skin color even though the REASON was established…so why pretend that a reason would erase your concern?

You are simply pissed because he’s not white.

I doubt everyone cares as much.

Question, every single viking in history was strictly from Nordic descent?

because according to this, there were black Vikings.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

So why is the race only white?[/quote]

You don’t care? I’m calling bullshit on that. Not that you don’t care, but that that’s the reason you won’t answer. You won’t answer because no.1 is obvioulsy the more likely of the two and admitting that is the same as admitting there was no point in you attacking me for saying this in the first place.

You’re basing this assumption that I would still be mad if Heimdall being black was part of the story on nothing. I’ve said nothing to make you assume such so I think you’re just projecting other people you disagree with onto me.

How many times and how many ways am I going to have to say my reasons are NOT ad hoc for you to finally understand this isn’t just me bitching about one non-white Nordic god. You’re simply choosing to ignore that I WASN’T okay with the casting of Airbender and I WOULDN’T be okay with switching up Jakarra arbitrarily. Am I to mention every single character I would take issue with for every single change flying in the face of the established character before this gets through to you?

You’re merely obfuscating the issue at this point. The problem isn’t showing ONE black guy in ancient Scandinavia, it’s about changing a character established to have Nordic features both in the mythology AND the comics into a black guy arbitrarily. THAT’S the issue, a simple continuity error unbacked by any contextual explanation.

I gave a non-contextual explanation that I feel is pretty damn likely and everyone seems to have flipped their shit over it. As though it’s unheard of for a casting choice to be made to spark controversy. =/ [/quote]

That was one of my first questions. Where does it state that this god has Nordic features. I’m willing to go with you that the people that thought all of this up many moons ago pictured there gods to look like the person telling the story. But where is it written that this god was white? Or any other color. He was known as the white god, he was also known to enjoy wandering the earthly realms so this god has been many places.

He also sounds like he gets boared and enjoys seeing other things than the same ol same. How am I basing this? Off of his history. And I just made it up. He likes to wander so he gets boared hanging in the same area. Its not written so I made it up. The same way the Marvel writers made up this VERSION of Asgard. Why is there an asian in asgard? Did anyone even look at the clip or just paused on the black actor?[/quote]

You miss my point. I’ve already said several times, if this just happens to be the explanation in the movie, then fine. Strange, but fine. HOWEVER given that there is currently NO explanation the reason is up to scrutiny and given the circumstances it’s much more likely for this to be a simple controversy ploy than an arbitrary attempt at establishing that all the gods can freely change appearance by having one god do it once off screen before the events of the movie. That’s quite the leap.

Also, I’ve noticed the Asian, but I don’t know what part he’s playing so I’m not going to jump to conclusions. Also, this discussion is about Heimdall. If it just so happened everyone was talking about the Asian instead then that’s what I would be talking about right now because as I said my reasons against this are NOT ad hoc.

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Here’s a quite famous and powerful black Viking.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

Again, you don’t seem to see my point. I don’t care that the comics don’t follow 100% with the mythology, that’s the point of the comics. HOWEVER the comics keep a certain continuity relative to itself.

These are Norse gods, therefore Nordic De facto. If Marvell arbitrarily wants them to be able to change their appearance then fine, buy establish a reason. If there’s no established reason then it’s clearly not a contextual reason.

Let me as you point blank, which do you find more likely;

  1. Elba was hired because he was the best actor they could get while being controversial.

or

  1. The director arbitrarily wanted to establish implicitly that these gods can freely change their form by having ONE god differ ONLY in colour and ONLY do it once off screen before the events of the movie.
    [/quote]

I don’t care one way or the other and I doubt you or anyone else will as well.

If this movie starts and in the first five seconds they say, “Hey, Heimdall is going to be black this week because he picked the LONG straw”, my guess is guys like you will still bitch about his skin color even though the REASON was established…so why pretend that a reason would erase your concern?

You are simply pissed because he’s not white.

I doubt everyone cares as much.

Question, every single viking in history was strictly from Nordic descent?

because according to this, there were black Vikings.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

So why is the race only white?[/quote]

And here’s something countering that-

http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/were-the-vikings-black-or-just-ancient-egyptians/

You can find just about anything to support your arguement on the internet. That doesn’t make it so.[/quote]

Uhm, my source has book references.

Your source is a blog from a white guy pissed that black people exist in history.[/quote]

And the book that is referenced talks about the blacks in question being Moors, but that article seemed to have left that out.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
They can complain about Idris Alba, but people can always complain about white people playing characters that don’t fit them at all. Best example off the top of my head would be Cleopatra.

So for those who hate, they can eat a dick. This movie will be great no matter what.[/quote]

They STILL portray that character as a white woman but I don’t remember any protests or boycotts.[/quote]

Cleopatras family was Greek.

[/quote]

And African. Still wouldn’t have Liz Taylor’s complexion.[/quote]

If by African you mean Greek, I agree.

Now if you want to go into the details of how white people really look like and what the differences are in term of adaptations to Europes diverse geography and climate, fine, but that would probably mean overdoing it.

And Norse gods are white, sorry.

[/quote]

Norse gods are gods[/quote]

Ja, but if you really go into Norse myths, they do shape form from time to tiome in order to deceive.

That rarely, i.e never, requires to turn into a black man for the very simple reason that a black man stands out in a fjord like a sore thumb.

Also, Norse gods are neither omnipotent nor immortal so it is not as if they God gods.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Kristoff wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Kristoff wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
http://anyguey.guanabee.com/2010/12/white-supremacists-boycott-thor/

It would seem only a certain kind of person is pissed about this…especially since this was not a premier character that most even know about.[/quote]

Your right, the type of person with the knowledge of Norse Mythology, the history of the scandinavian people… Not redneck racist hicks as you are seemingly trying to hint.

Altho it does make sense why Heimdall was the norse god chosen to be played by a black actor because he has the sight to the nine worlds and in the comic books his face is rarely seen above his nose, and when he looks for something his eyes turn to stars and his face blackens into space, but his long red haired goatee and fair skinned chin are always present.

How would you feel if the african gods were played by white people? or if your a fan of comic books, what would you think if I played Black Panther or Blade. More than anything it just doesn’t make sense.
[/quote]

What African Gods? This movie is not a history lesson. Did I miss Robert Downey Jr being a major factor in my history books? Shit, now that I think of it, I didn’t read anything about the Hulk hanging with Vikings either.

they already make many black characters white (or at least they did)…like the Spawn movie where Al’s best friend in the comics is black but played by a white guy in the movie. I don’t remember boycotts then either.

This country seems to have quite a long history of shit like that…but it appears that it can’t take what it gives.[/quote]

African gods:

And not everyone is from “this country” and just because your country has a history with racism and segregation towards African people that doesn’t mean that my country’s historical stories should be altered.
[/quote]

I think you missed WHY I asked that question. I am not AFRICAN. I am also aware that there are hundreds (if not more) different Gods in Africa because nearly every tribe had their own tradition.

Most black people in this country can’t trace their heritage back more than maybe 4 or 5 generations due to this country’s history. We are USED to people making black characters white…which is why there was no “boycott” when Spawn (a black character in creation) had some of his cast turned white. We see it too much.

It would appear that when the roles are reversed, some of you just can’;t take it.

Why is that?

I doubt most black Americans know about or give a shit about “African Gods” because that is not the heritage we remember.
[/quote]
I do not mind a white Spawn so much because it really is not about him being black.

Now a white Shaft I would mind very much, because that would just be bullshit.

Granted, the case for a white Norse god is not quite as strong, but I would at least expect some mentioning of a Norse god with a very eccentric taste in appearances, at least for a god of the far, far North.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

First, he’s not a great actor. He’s a decent actor. Nothing exceptional. Second, the character is not a universal God, he is a NORSE GOD, of Nordic descent. And why would a God’s choosing to be white be racist? If he chose to be black, or Indonesian would that be racist too? That line doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and is kind of offensive.[/quote]

Offensive? If Loki can fucking change from a man to a woman, then their look is BY CHOICE.

Of Nordic descent? They are NOT HUMAN. What race was Odin’s father and his father before that? What if Odin’s great grandfather was black?

Question, what “descent” is the Christian God? I see a white hand coming out of some clouds touching Adam’s in old paintings but Morgan Freeman played him in a movie.[/quote]

You didn’t answer my question. You said that if a God chose to be white that would be racist. Why?[/quote]

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If God literally said, “I will avoid ever being any other “race””, then yes, that would be racist. If he just happened to choose “white” today, then no, it would not be.

People assuming that Norse Gods would choose to stay white makes little sense in today’s world.

Not to mention that there were black people on that part of the world very active in that history. they were Vikings so why would it be offensive or unbelievable for them to choose to be black for a while?

Why would GOD be white over any other color?[/quote]

Corporate identity?

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
I’m calling bullshit on this too. When you originally attacked my position it had nothing to do with there being black vikings. This is an ex post facto reason created by you to explain why you did it.

I still assert that there’s nothing unreasonable about expecting a Nordic God to be Nordic, or at the very least a contextual reason explaining the relevance of why he’s not.

Personally, I’m 100% with you that there being numerous black vikings is something worth noting and indeed SHOULD be at least mentioned to students learning about ancient Scandinavia given it’s historical relevance (assuming it’s true). However adding nameless black vikings to THOR and making a god already established both in the mythology AND in the comics to be Nordic as non-Nordic seems WAY more like a ploy than an attempted history lesson.
Do you not agree? [/quote]

Maybe on some level, but you sure do seem emotionally driven by this.

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Did anyone bring up yet that Heimdall was “the whitest of the gods”, or the “White God”?

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[quote]orion wrote:
Did anyone bring up yet that Heimdall was “the whitest of the gods”, or the “White God”?

[/quote]

Yep, several times, also that he enjoyed wandering thru the earthly realms

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

First, he’s not a great actor. He’s a decent actor. Nothing exceptional. Second, the character is not a universal God, he is a NORSE GOD, of Nordic descent. And why would a God’s choosing to be white be racist? If he chose to be black, or Indonesian would that be racist too? That line doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and is kind of offensive.[/quote]

Offensive? If Loki can fucking change from a man to a woman, then their look is BY CHOICE.

Of Nordic descent? They are NOT HUMAN. What race was Odin’s father and his father before that? What if Odin’s great grandfather was black?

Question, what “descent” is the Christian God? I see a white hand coming out of some clouds touching Adam’s in old paintings but Morgan Freeman played him in a movie.[/quote]

You didn’t answer my question. You said that if a God chose to be white that would be racist. Why?[/quote]

?

If God literally said, “I will avoid ever being any other “race””, then yes, that would be racist. If he just happened to choose “white” today, then no, it would not be.

People assuming that Norse Gods would choose to stay white makes little sense in today’s world.

Not to mention that there were black people on that part of the world very active in that history. they were Vikings so why would it be offensive or unbelievable for them to choose to be black for a while?

Why would GOD be white over any other color?[/quote]
All the characters in Thor except one Asian dude are ALL WHITE, this is based off of a COMIC BOOK where ALl THE CHARACTERS ARE WHITE. Damn I’m Hispanic and you don’t here getting pissed because there aren’t any mexicans in Asgard.

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^ how do you know mexicans didn’t make it to Asgard, Odin collects the brave so they may fight on his side in Asgard. It’s modern times who’s to say what or who he has collected over the years…

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

First, he’s not a great actor. He’s a decent actor. Nothing exceptional. Second, the character is not a universal God, he is a NORSE GOD, of Nordic descent. And why would a God’s choosing to be white be racist? If he chose to be black, or Indonesian would that be racist too? That line doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and is kind of offensive.[/quote]

Offensive? If Loki can fucking change from a man to a woman, then their look is BY CHOICE.

Of Nordic descent? They are NOT HUMAN. What race was Odin’s father and his father before that? What if Odin’s great grandfather was black?

Question, what “descent” is the Christian God? I see a white hand coming out of some clouds touching Adam’s in old paintings but Morgan Freeman played him in a movie.[/quote]

You didn’t answer my question. You said that if a God chose to be white that would be racist. Why?[/quote]

?

If God literally said, “I will avoid ever being any other “race””, then yes, that would be racist. If he just happened to choose “white” today, then no, it would not be.

People assuming that Norse Gods would choose to stay white makes little sense in today’s world.

Not to mention that there were black people on that part of the world very active in that history. they were Vikings so why would it be offensive or unbelievable for them to choose to be black for a while?

Why would GOD be white over any other color?[/quote]
All the characters in Thor except one Asian dude are ALL WHITE, this is based off of a COMIC BOOK where ALl THE CHARACTERS ARE WHITE. Damn I’m Hispanic and you don’t here getting pissed because there aren’t any mexicans in Asgard. [/quote]

Wait…so Asians are ok, but no Blacks or Mexicans?

LOL at “logic”.

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So I watched the trailer… it really doesn’t look like it will be all that, but I’m still gonna see the fuck out of that movie.