Thor Trailer Released

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Kristoff wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^I could see the beef if it was a historical person or even a mythical human character who is white or black or whatever but this is a god, who are free to take on whatever shape or form they please. Gods are not bound by race shape or form. It’s the person that is telling the story that adds all of that. And this story teller did it his way. I’m not sure why it bugs ^so many? [/quote]

I dont think you have the right idea of what a Norse god is, they are not all powerful and do not have the ability to change whatever they please. They are more of a race, born from a mother. They can die, and they do bleed. So what you are saying above would be the same as my norwegian parents giving birth to me, then me just deciding to be black and it happening… that doesn’t work. [/quote]

No I do understand your point. But these are not the same Mythological Norse gods. These are Marvels version. There power differ, remember Thor never had an alter ego but he does in the comic, his brother changes form at will, like what was said before his recent transformation is into a hot god chick.

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read the last thing I posted

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
They can complain about Idris Alba, but people can always complain about white people playing characters that don’t fit them at all. Best example off the top of my head would be Cleopatra.

So for those who hate, they can eat a dick. This movie will be great no matter what.[/quote]

They STILL portray that character as a white woman but I don’t remember any protests or boycotts.[/quote]

Cleopatras family was Greek.

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And African. Still wouldn’t have Liz Taylor’s complexion.[/quote]

If by African you mean Greek, I agree.

Now if you want to go into the details of how white people really look like and what the differences are in term of adaptations to Europes diverse geography and climate, fine, but that would probably mean overdoing it.

And Norse gods are white, sorry.

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Norse gods are gods[/quote]

Ya, white gods

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[quote]Kristoff wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Kristoff wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
http://anyguey.guanabee.com/2010/12/white-supremacists-boycott-thor/

It would seem only a certain kind of person is pissed about this…especially since this was not a premier character that most even know about.[/quote]

Your right, the type of person with the knowledge of Norse Mythology, the history of the scandinavian people… Not redneck racist hicks as you are seemingly trying to hint.

Altho it does make sense why Heimdall was the norse god chosen to be played by a black actor because he has the sight to the nine worlds and in the comic books his face is rarely seen above his nose, and when he looks for something his eyes turn to stars and his face blackens into space, but his long red haired goatee and fair skinned chin are always present.

How would you feel if the african gods were played by white people? or if your a fan of comic books, what would you think if I played Black Panther or Blade. More than anything it just doesn’t make sense.
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What African Gods? This movie is not a history lesson. Did I miss Robert Downey Jr being a major factor in my history books? Shit, now that I think of it, I didn’t read anything about the Hulk hanging with Vikings either.

they already make many black characters white (or at least they did)…like the Spawn movie where Al’s best friend in the comics is black but played by a white guy in the movie. I don’t remember boycotts then either.

This country seems to have quite a long history of shit like that…but it appears that it can’t take what it gives.[/quote]

African gods:

And not everyone is from “this country” and just because your country has a history with racism and segregation towards African people that doesn’t mean that my country’s historical stories should be altered.

And yea, It is a partial history lesson. Its scandinavian gods put into comic book form, In the same way that 300 was a historical based graphic novel. Would it make sense to make Theron played by anyone who didn’t look greek? just because he is not a “main” character.

It is history, turned comic, turned movie. In history he was a north man, in the comic he was a north man, and in the movie he is a black man. it just doesn’t make sense.

And if you want to bring other changes into play like the fact that Loki was turned into a woman for a while in the comic books lets talk about that. First off Loki is the god of mischief and trickery. In history he was just that, he was not an “enemy” of Thor but he sure did cause alot of trouble for his fellow Asgardians. In the comic books it made sense that he was turned into a villain, envious of his half brother Thor. His only weapons being sorcery, deception, and lies. In the comic books, After the Ragnarok all the gods were destroyed and one by one brought back by Thor himself finding them in the hearts of man, Loki came back as a woman. Convincing Thor that he had changed so much to the point in which he was no longer an enemy or threat. Thor was deceived (get it, Loki is the god of mischief and trickery, he tricked Thor) into believing this, after all he had even changed in physical appearance… Yada yada yada Loki gets Thor to a point of weakness, admits his diabolical plan, and turns into his true form, a man. God of mischief, that made sense.[/quote]

So without ever seeing the Movie (non of us has as of today) your saying that that his character makes no sense, based off of one clip. We don’t know as of yet whats going on. Lets wait and see before being upset about the character.

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[quote]Kristoff wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
They can complain about Idris Alba, but people can always complain about white people playing characters that don’t fit them at all. Best example off the top of my head would be Cleopatra.

So for those who hate, they can eat a dick. This movie will be great no matter what.[/quote]

They STILL portray that character as a white woman but I don’t remember any protests or boycotts.[/quote]

Cleopatras family was Greek.

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And African. Still wouldn’t have Liz Taylor’s complexion.[/quote]

If by African you mean Greek, I agree.

Now if you want to go into the details of how white people really look like and what the differences are in term of adaptations to Europes diverse geography and climate, fine, but that would probably mean overdoing it.

And Norse gods are white, sorry.

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Norse gods are gods[/quote]

Ya, white gods[/quote]

Ha, gods have no color or ethnic background they are gods. At least in the Marvel universe. We look the way we do becuase we are on earth and if we lived on another planet we would look differnt. gods are gods they have no color.

But truly we are all making more out of this than it should be. If this movie is a block buster and the characters pull it off will it still bother you?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

Ha, gods have no color or ethnic background they are gods. At least in the Marvel universe. We look the way we do becuase we are on earth and if we lived on another planet we would look differnt. gods are gods they have no color.

But truly we are all making more out of this than it should be. If this movie is a block buster and the characters pull it off will it still bother you?[/quote]

Agreed. I had no idea that GODS were so limited that they gave a shit what “race” they were.

While we’re at it, is the Devil black, white, or asian? The angel Gabriel, black? No?

Why would an angel choose to be white over any other color?

As far as these comic characters, unless their race is a factor in who they are or their creation, why do they ahve to remain a certain color?

Characters like Spiderman were not created due to some lack of white characters…and he wasn’t chosen to be white because of any social commentary…so why does he have to stay white?

Why would NORDIC GODS look at our current society and choose to look like white people? The NORDIC GODS are racist?

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[quote]Kristoff wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Kristoff wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
http://anyguey.guanabee.com/2010/12/white-supremacists-boycott-thor/

It would seem only a certain kind of person is pissed about this…especially since this was not a premier character that most even know about.[/quote]

Your right, the type of person with the knowledge of Norse Mythology, the history of the scandinavian people… Not redneck racist hicks as you are seemingly trying to hint.

Altho it does make sense why Heimdall was the norse god chosen to be played by a black actor because he has the sight to the nine worlds and in the comic books his face is rarely seen above his nose, and when he looks for something his eyes turn to stars and his face blackens into space, but his long red haired goatee and fair skinned chin are always present.

How would you feel if the african gods were played by white people? or if your a fan of comic books, what would you think if I played Black Panther or Blade. More than anything it just doesn’t make sense.
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What African Gods? This movie is not a history lesson. Did I miss Robert Downey Jr being a major factor in my history books? Shit, now that I think of it, I didn’t read anything about the Hulk hanging with Vikings either.

they already make many black characters white (or at least they did)…like the Spawn movie where Al’s best friend in the comics is black but played by a white guy in the movie. I don’t remember boycotts then either.

This country seems to have quite a long history of shit like that…but it appears that it can’t take what it gives.[/quote]

African gods:

And not everyone is from “this country” and just because your country has a history with racism and segregation towards African people that doesn’t mean that my country’s historical stories should be altered.
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I think you missed WHY I asked that question. I am not AFRICAN. I am also aware that there are hundreds (if not more) different Gods in Africa because nearly every tribe had their own tradition.

Most black people in this country can’t trace their heritage back more than maybe 4 or 5 generations due to this country’s history. We are USED to people making black characters white…which is why there was no “boycott” when Spawn (a black character in creation) had some of his cast turned white. We see it too much.

It would appear that when the roles are reversed, some of you just can’;t take it.

Why is that?

I doubt most black Americans know about or give a shit about “African Gods” because that is not the heritage we remember.

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[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.

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This is getting fucking ridiculous. Here’s the deal: It makes no sense to change the race of one God [to anything non white] if he’s of Nordic origin. But, it’s a comic movie so we have to suspend disbelief for awhile anyway. From the previews the movie looks pretty cool, and Elba’s role appears to be so small that it won’t affect the tone of the movie either way.

It seems like they only cast him 'cause they wanted a black actor. That’s kinda silly, but again I doubt it’s gonna make or break the movie. I’m gonna try and reserve judgement 'til I actually see the movie, and I will see it within a week of it’s release, black Nordic God and all.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

Who is trying to be a prick to you? Your taking this so close to heart that now your making up conversations we never had. I didn’t say that was the directors goal. I said why couldn’t it just be that a god chose to look differnt. Thats it. I just made up a scenerio to go with a norse god looking black remember they are gods. Not of this earth.

Going bad for me? In what way? I still do not see the your point. Your assuming something off of a clip…a clip. Neither of us have seen the movie so this whole conversation is a big “what if” thats it. Chill man. We are talking about a comic book. I’m not being a prick to you or trying to be. I asking a question and your making a statement.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

First, he’s not a great actor. He’s a decent actor. Nothing exceptional. Second, the character is not a universal God, he is a NORSE GOD, of Nordic descent. And why would a God’s choosing to be white be racist? If he chose to be black, or Indonesian would that be racist too? That line doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and is kind of offensive.

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[quote]How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

Again, you don’t seem to see my point. I don’t care that the comics don’t follow 100% with the mythology, that’s the point of the comics. HOWEVER the comics keep a certain continuity relative to itself.

These are Norse gods, therefore Nordic De facto. If Marvell arbitrarily wants them to be able to change their appearance then fine, buy establish a reason. If there’s no established reason then it’s clearly not a contextual reason.

Let me as you point blank, which do you find more likely;

  1. Elba was hired because he was the best actor they could get while being controversial.

or

  1. The director arbitrarily wanted to establish implicitly that these gods can freely change their form by having ONE god differ ONLY in colour and ONLY do it once off screen before the events of the movie.
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

First, he’s not a great actor. He’s a decent actor. Nothing exceptional. Second, the character is not a universal God, he is a NORSE GOD, of Nordic descent. And why would a God’s choosing to be white be racist? If he chose to be black, or Indonesian would that be racist too? That line doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and is kind of offensive.[/quote]

Offensive? If Loki can fucking change from a man to a woman, then their look is BY CHOICE.

Of Nordic descent? They are NOT HUMAN. What race was Odin’s father and his father before that? What if Odin’s great grandfather was black?

Question, what “descent” is the Christian God? I see a white hand coming out of some clouds touching Adam’s in old paintings but Morgan Freeman played him in a movie.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

Again, you don’t seem to see my point. I don’t care that the comics don’t follow 100% with the mythology, that’s the point of the comics. HOWEVER the comics keep a certain continuity relative to itself.

These are Norse gods, therefore Nordic De facto. If Marvell arbitrarily wants them to be able to change their appearance then fine, buy establish a reason. If there’s no established reason then it’s clearly not a contextual reason.

Let me as you point blank, which do you find more likely;

  1. Elba was hired because he was the best actor they could get while being controversial.

or

  1. The director arbitrarily wanted to establish implicitly that these gods can freely change their form by having ONE god differ ONLY in colour and ONLY do it once off screen before the events of the movie.
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Honestly I would go with 2. Why because if we look at the clip there was also an asian god up in asgard as well. And your guessing that one and only one god changes form We are basing this whole conversation off of a clip.

I would hope he did not just pick a black actor to drum up a response. I would HOPE that THOR has enough comic book history to pull from that they did not have to do “1” if he did then that was just laziness. Let me find the clip again. But I’m guessing that Asgard has more than one flavor to choose from…

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

Who is trying to be a prick to you? Your taking this so close to heart that now your making up conversations we never had. I didn’t say that was the directors goal. I said why couldn’t it just be that a god chose to look differnt. Thats it. I just made up a scenerio to go with a norse god looking black remember they are gods. Not of this earth.

Going bad for me? In what way? I still do not see the your point. Your assuming something off of a clip…a clip. Neither of us have seen the movie so this whole conversation is a big “what if” thats it. Chill man. We are talking about a comic book. I’m not being a prick to you or trying to be. I asking a question and your making a statement.[/quote]

Look at my response to X, the question applies to you too.

There’s obviously SOME reason why they chose to make Heimdall black. I say it’s a ploy, but you seem to think it’s just because he wanted to. Which begs the question, why did the they (writers, director) make him want to? Well, it must be because the director wanted to imply etc. etc. etc.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

Again, you don’t seem to see my point. I don’t care that the comics don’t follow 100% with the mythology, that’s the point of the comics. HOWEVER the comics keep a certain continuity relative to itself.

These are Norse gods, therefore Nordic De facto. If Marvell arbitrarily wants them to be able to change their appearance then fine, buy establish a reason. If there’s no established reason then it’s clearly not a contextual reason.

Let me as you point blank, which do you find more likely;

  1. Elba was hired because he was the best actor they could get while being controversial.

or

  1. The director arbitrarily wanted to establish implicitly that these gods can freely change their form by having ONE god differ ONLY in colour and ONLY do it once off screen before the events of the movie.
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I don’t care one way or the other and I doubt you or anyone else will as well.

If this movie starts and in the first five seconds they say, “Hey, Heimdall is going to be black this week because he picked the LONG straw”, my guess is guys like you will still bitch about his skin color even though the REASON was established…so why pretend that a reason would erase your concern?

You are simply pissed because he’s not white.

I doubt everyone cares as much.

Question, every single viking in history was strictly from Nordic descent?

because according to this, there were black Vikings.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

So why is the race only white?

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I’m not so sure there is only one color up in asgard in this version. Check the clip…I think i see more flavors in the crowd and the guards.

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the same reason why Jar Jar Binks (not a god, but a fucking extraterrestrial) was played by a black voice actor.

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That link I posted now has me a tad pissed because we NEVER hear that there were black Vikings. the way history is told, you would think black people simply had NOTHING to do with any historic event.

I mean, holy crap, why are all Vikings depicted as white if this is the case?

So, the reality is that blacks were Vikings but we are supposed to believe that all Norse Gods would take offense at being black?

If anything, maybe this falls in line with reality more.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Ok, you seem to have placed wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much thought into this. So much thought that you look pass the fact you are talking about comic characters.

There is a Hercules who is walking around chilling with a asian kid in the comic books (according to scriptures he died). The god greek god of war just had his guts ripped out and splatted like a bug by a insane comic book character Aries not a minor god in any sense.

However your coming across as saying that race is the only issue that must not change. The god we are talking about was known as a god that enjoyed wondering around the earth. If he is wondering thru now in modern day NY why not pic a dif race. You want a drawn out explanation as to why is this. I’m saying its such a small thing for a Marvel Comicbook god to do that why should he explain at all.

And the guy had 9 mothers damn he could be anything he wants (Heimdal, why are you black", “whats it to you…wandering china next”)[/quote]

What a prick thing to say, make fallacious arguments against and then tell me I’ve put “way too much” thought into this when it starts to look bad for you.

Never ONCE did I say race was the only issue I don’t want changed, you’re straw-manning me. At the end of the day I’m assuming the most likely answer (this being a ploy) while YOUR the one with some unbacked assumption of the director going out of his way to higher a black guy to play Heimdall in order to subtly and arbitrarily assert that these gods can change their form by having ONE god do it ONCE off screen and before the events of the movie.[/quote]

How out of his way was it? The man is a great actor and is BRITISH so his accent will fall in line with the “Fake Euro” accents the rest of the cast is using. This is also a minor part and I doubt the man will be on screen long enough for any of this to matter much.

What 460 is saying is that you are asking why he turned black when we are asking you why there needs to be a reason. The real question is why would an ancient GOD choose to be white in today’s era. That makes little sense unless that GOD is racist.

The world is a tad too mixed today for that because this is NOT a history lesson. This is MARVEL comics’ version of these characters…and they changed quite a fucking bit from strict Norse Mythology.

The question again is why race matters so much and not all of the other changes.[/quote]

First, he’s not a great actor. He’s a decent actor. Nothing exceptional. Second, the character is not a universal God, he is a NORSE GOD, of Nordic descent. And why would a God’s choosing to be white be racist? If he chose to be black, or Indonesian would that be racist too? That line doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and is kind of offensive.[/quote]

Offensive? If Loki can fucking change from a man to a woman, then their look is BY CHOICE.

Of Nordic descent? They are NOT HUMAN. What race was Odin’s father and his father before that? What if Odin’s great grandfather was black?

Question, what “descent” is the Christian God? I see a white hand coming out of some clouds touching Adam’s in old paintings but Morgan Freeman played him in a movie.[/quote]

You didn’t answer my question. You said that if a God chose to be white that would be racist. Why?