[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
At what point does his representation (Lawyer) realize how effed up this guy is and go against his oath for client confidentiality to get this dude locked up?
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Never. Ethical duty and loyalty trumps emotions every time.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
At what point does his representation (Lawyer) realize how effed up this guy is and go against his oath for client confidentiality to get this dude locked up?
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Apparently never. I can’t blame the lawyer though.[/quote]
I can’t either. Knee jerk response to salve a horrible story and assign blame somewhere. Ultimately, there’s two dead innocent kids and an unsolved (probable) murder of a mom. Intelligence isn’t what separates humans from other animals, the ability to do this type of stuff is.
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Yeah, I don’t know of any other species that willfully murders their own children. I doubt it would make me feel any better about this either way though.[/quote]
What are you talking about? There are plenty of carnivores where the males will kill their offspring in order to continue mating with the female.
[quote]Christine wrote:
Okay, I just heard that he tried to kill the kids with a hatchet before they died of smoke inhalation.
I guess he really wanted to make them suffer. [/quote]
He was actually probably trying to kill them with the hatchet so they didn’t burn to death. He was probably unaware they would die from smoke inhalation first.
[quote]Mutu wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
They’re his kids. The state can’t tell a man he can’t be alone with his kids.
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I haven’t posted in like a year or something, but when I saw your post I had to log in so I could call you a dumbass.
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X2, what a fucking joke.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Okay, I just heard that he tried to kill the kids with a hatchet before they died of smoke inhalation.
I guess he really wanted to make them suffer. [/quote]
He was actually probably trying to kill them with the hatchet so they didn’t burn to death. He was probably unaware they would die from smoke inhalation first.[/quote]
Yeah, but he didn’t finish the job.
I can’t imagine the terror those two boys felt being attacked with a hatchet by their father.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Pure fucking evil. I can’t comprehend the thought process that would go along with doing something like this, so that’s what I’ll call it: evil.
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[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, [b][u]I don’t know of any[/b][/u] other species that willfully murders their own children. I doubt it would make me feel any better about this either way though.[/quote]
What are you talking about? There are plenty of carnivores where the males will kill their offspring in order to continue mating with the female.
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This is pretty fuckin grim indeed. It takes a very special kind of “fucked up” to take your own kids life when they’re not under any threat.
Even if he is guilty of murdering his wife and dumping the body (which sounds likely) why the fuck would you kill your own kids? It’s not as if he was clearing his name by preventing them from revealing details of his crime. And if he was ashamed he could’ve just taken his own life. Did he not want his kids to grow up with the memory of their father slaying their mother?
I just can’t fathom the motivation here. What a twisted and selfish fucking prick.
[quote]Stern wrote:
This is pretty fuckin grim indeed. It takes a very special kind of “fucked up” to take your own kids life when they’re not under any threat.
Even if he is guilty of murdering his wife and dumping the body (which sounds likely) why the fuck would you kill your own kids? It’s not as if he was clearing his name by preventing them from revealing details of his crime. And if he was ashamed he could’ve just taken his own life. Did he not want his kids to grow up with the memory of their father slaying their mother?
I just can’t fathom the motivation here. What a twisted and selfish fucking prick.
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Eliminating potential witnesses, possibly?
Rather than start a new thread devoted to another depraved person, I thought I would put this link in here: HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost
“I just f------ killed someone. I strangled them and slit their throat and stabbed them now they’re dead. I don’t know how to feel atm. It was ahmazing. As soon as you get over the “ohmygawd I can’t do this” feeling, it’s pretty enjoyable. I’m kinda nervous and shaky though right now. Kay, I gotta go to church now…lol.”
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Rather than start a new thread devoted to another depraved person, I thought I would put this link in here: HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost
“I just f------ killed someone. I strangled them and slit their throat and stabbed them now they’re dead. I don’t know how to feel atm. It was ahmazing. As soon as you get over the “ohmygawd I can’t do this” feeling, it’s pretty enjoyable. I’m kinda nervous and shaky though right now. Kay, I gotta go to church now…lol.”[/quote]
I almost posted this yesterday. Damn. Killing at the age of 15, killing a friends younger sister.
I’d agree with evil. If anything he should have left his sons with relatives, then killed himself.
It got creepy when the kids were asked about their Mommy… either being left in the desert or in the trunk, either answer would raise alarm bells…
But yeah, “eliminating evidence” (your own flesh and blood?! WTF?!) sounds about right here… Taking a hatchet to your own children is simply pure evil…
Good work, this ruined my day
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Rather than start a new thread devoted to another depraved person, I thought I would put this link in here: HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost
“I just f------ killed someone. I strangled them and slit their throat and stabbed them now they’re dead. I don’t know how to feel atm. It was ahmazing. As soon as you get over the “ohmygawd I can’t do this” feeling, it’s pretty enjoyable. I’m kinda nervous and shaky though right now. Kay, I gotta go to church now…lol.”[/quote]
Fuck. This is shit that I don’t need to be thinking about with a 14 month old girl at home.
I don’t understand the “getting rid of evidence” theory though?
It initially occurred to me this is what he might have been doing but, I mean, what’s the point in trying to cover a murder by murdering your kids and killing yourself? Ok…maybe you can’t be proven to have killed your wife but you’ve just killed your kids and yourself? Where does that get you?
Not that any of this makes sense. I guess there’s no point trying to figure shit like this out.
[quote]Stern wrote:
I don’t understand the “getting rid of evidence” theory though?
It initially occurred to me this is what he might have been doing but, I mean, what’s the point in trying to cover a murder by murdering your kids and killing yourself? Ok…maybe you can’t be proven to have killed your wife but you’ve just killed your kids and yourself? Where does that get you?
Not that any of this makes sense. I guess there’s no point trying to figure shit like this out. [/quote]
Here’s a link to a timeline of events in the article posted by Steel Nation:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/02/06/timeline-powell-family-saga
Basically the father (Josh) had been a suspect in his wife’s disappearance for two years. The kids were starting to say things like “mommy is in the mine looking for crystals” (which prompted a police search of a local mine) and something about ‘mommy leaving the car with daddy but not coming back’…which strongly suggests they knew something.
Josh gave several conflicting reasons for his wife’s disappearance; he and his father, Steve - who in an added twist, was arrested for possession of child porn- claimed that she ran off with another man and was afraid to come back. The story goes that she vanished when Josh took her and the boys on an impromptu camping trip at midnight in blizzard conditions…
You are right about none of it making sense. Only the people who commit these acts can truly rationalize them.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Okay, I just heard that he tried to kill the kids with a hatchet before they died of smoke inhalation.
I guess he really wanted to make them suffer. [/quote]
He was actually probably trying to kill them with the hatchet so they didn’t burn to death. He was probably unaware they would die from smoke inhalation first.[/quote]
Anyone who has watched any sort of crime show knows this. Anyone who’s listened to a doctor describe a death from a fire knows this. People die of smoke inhalation before they die of burning alive. However, being SET on fire would trump this. Besides, the hatchet blows didn’t kill them, he probably should have made sure they were dead before blowing his house up.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Okay, I just heard that he tried to kill the kids with a hatchet before they died of smoke inhalation.
I guess he really wanted to make them suffer. [/quote]
He was actually probably trying to kill them with the hatchet so they didn’t burn to death. He was probably unaware they would die from smoke inhalation first.[/quote]
Anyone who has watched any sort of crime show knows this. Anyone who’s listened to a doctor describe a death from a fire knows this. People die of smoke inhalation before they die of burning alive. However, being SET on fire would trump this. Besides, the hatchet blows didn’t kill them, he probably should have made sure they were dead before blowing his house up.[/quote]Yeah but if he wanted them to suffer he wouldn’t have been chopping at their necks. He would have chopped their hands, arms, feet, and legs off or something like that. I also don’t think the smoke inhalation is common knowledge and according to the article there was an explosion so he may have been concerned about it. I just doubt he was trying to make them suffer more by cutting them at the neck. Also, the idea he was trying to kill them to cover up the evidence is stupid. He could have committed suicide by himself. How are the kids going to testify against him? He took the kids with him for some reason though.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Also, the idea he was trying to kill them to cover up the evidence is stupid. He could have committed suicide by himself. [/quote]
Stupid? Think it through: he was selfish enough to kill the kids, so he’s not the type of person to have taken his own life, alone, for whatever reason.
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How are the kids going to testify against him? He took the kids with him for some reason though.[/quote]
I can’t understand how you can say an opinion is stupid when you haven’t read the link I posted (which chronicles the events over two years): the children were making very suspicious and incriminating remarks to the people around them, some of whom were strangers
Read my last post and the link, too.
I already read it. It doesn’t matter what the kids say if he’s going to commit suicide. If I’m going to commit suicide for being caught in a murder, do I really need to worry about the witness at this point? If the kids were murdered so they couldn’t testify and he was walking around, I could see it, but that’s not what happened.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
I already read it. It doesn’t matter what the kids say if he’s going to commit suicide. If I’m going to commit suicide for being caught in a murder, do I really need to worry about the witness at this point? If the kids were murdered so they couldn’t testify and he was walking around, I could see it, but that’s not what happened.[/quote]
He’s not going to kill two kids to save his own skin when he can’t cover it up. He was selfish enough to kill them instead of letting them live their lives, so going quietly was not in his DNA, no matter what the reason.
If “that isn’t what happened”, why don’t you give me your version of what did happen and we’ll see if it’s more plausible. You’ve digested the link I posted, so naturally you’ll stick closely to the facts…