Zell the cycle P22 posted will work fine without the HCG, it would just be a real benifit in terms of recovering. The quicker you recover the more you will be able to keep.
Get some Alpha Male to add to the mix. It is not really in the same ball park as HCG but, it will help a lot more than nothing at all.
DA
Guys…you know I love you, but with all this arguing, I still am unsure of what to do. I take this pretty seriously. Reread the questions I have asked…feel free to answer in whatever gramatical capacity you have. Personally, I think a “test only” cycle could prove relatively dangerous and cause me to lose the gains.
[quote]MMAFighter wrote:
Guys…you know I love you, but with all this arguing, I still am unsure of what to do. I take this pretty seriously. Reread the questions I have asked…feel free to answer in whatever gramatical capacity you have. Personally, I think a “test only” cycle could prove relatively dangerous and cause me to lose the gains.[/quote]
Bro you’ve been given some pretty good answers, they just don’t all line up perfectly into a single definite answer. They never will for any question. You’ve just gotta decide off of the info you’ve been given what will be best for you. I’m a tested fighter as well and I agree that Decca is a bad idea, but I don’t see why a test only cycle would be dangerous. Proper PCT is going to prevent losing gains more than the cycle itself, plus if you take the advice to keep it under 600mg/week you’ll probably only make some modest quality gains in muscle mass that won’t be hard to keep anyway. Good luck with whatever you decide.
[quote]MMAFighter wrote:
Guys…you know I love you, but with all this arguing, I still am unsure of what to do. I take this pretty seriously. Reread the questions I have asked…feel free to answer in whatever gramatical capacity you have. Personally, I think a “test only” cycle could prove relatively dangerous and cause me to lose the gains.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter what cycle you try, you will LOSE gains when you come off. That is just how it works. The only people who don’t lose anything are ones who are a ways from their genetic potential. I think a test only cycle is actually a very good idea. It is the hardest steroid to detect in the body as it is undisernable from your own natural test, and if you use the propinate ester, you can use it quite close to a competition and still test negative.
I have used as much as 2 grams of test prop a week along with an aromatase inhibitor, and had very good results, with very little if any water retention. The trick is to keep the carbs in check and the aromatase inhibitor correctly titrated.
In your situation this is perhaps the best option as it reduces your risk of a positive detection yet will provide you with the gains you want.
Of course you don’t have to use 2 grams a week, 1/3 of that I am sure would work just fine for you, just ensure that you take it regularly to keep blood levels stable, as fluctuating levels can make it more difficult to control estrogen levels that inturn will produce more sides such as acne, water retention, e.t.c.
Thas my advice, good luck.
Its been a long time,and I appreciate everyones help in the past. I did not use the above cycle and have not used period. I am following a program similar to Westside for skinny bastards with strongman training fit in as accessory work. My schedule usually looks like this:
Monday:
Submission Grappling in the Morning
Weight training in the afternoon
Max Effort Lower body (usually a squat box box squat, or deadlift)
Rotate accessory work.
I may or may not spar in the evening with the guys I coach. If I do that will be three times a day training.
Tuesday:
Boxing in the morning. Submission Grappling in the evening. No weight training…but may do some strong many conditioning with sandbag/log carries, and sledgehammer work if I feel up to it. I usually roll (submission grappling again at night with some lesser skilled guys so its not as intense)
Weds.
Submission Grappling in the morning. Boxing in the Afternoon. I am tired. I will work/coach until the evening as with every day.
Thursday:
Thai boxing
Light evening (submission grappling)
Friday:
Submission Grappling AM
Afternoon Max repetition day (I know I shouldn’t but it seems to help) Upper or lower body movements depending on what body parts are still working.
I spar at night with some of my guys.
Saturday:
Muay Thai or MMA training (variable intensity depending on what my trainer wants) REST.
Sunday:
Afternoon weight training. Max Effort Upper Body accessory lifts. Light submission grappling.
My diet is OK. I consume large amounts of protein (eggs whites, tuna, low fat moz, cottage cheese, etc) I usualy try to consume high glycemic index carbs. I cheat more often then I used to. When it comes closer to competing I get alot stricter. I have a voracious appetite. I am 5’8", 160-165 lbs.
With the above schedue you can see how injury and overtraining are obvious. I really have tried to trim the fat, but its hard to coordinate all areas between technical, tactical, and physical preparation. I am hoping the gear will help. I wanted to decca especially with the stack above…but I am told I will gain too much weight.
I wanted to go into the 153.9 class…there is a 159.9 class which I would consider…but it would be hard to justify going into the 165 class without considerable stregnth ganes. Guys there are tall…and at 5’8" with a medium frame its gonna be hard.
So a friend of a friend suggested this cycle. He did not suggest dossages so I was wondering if you guys might help me out with that knowing my goals. Here’s the grocery list
Anethate
Winstrol 3 times a week
Anavar (he said maybe 20mgs a day)
Arimidex 2x/per week
Clomid at the end of the 12 week cycle. He said I would be able to expect good gains, maintaining my low bodyweight (provided I am strict with my diet), while keeping the side effects low.
Feedback is appreciated. I am sure I am going to get alot of “are you nuts” as far as overtraining comments. Those of you who are not fighters have to understand what I am up against. You have to have to just as technically sound as you do in condition.
Timing is as important as the ability to squeeze someones head and punch their skull in. This cannot be accomplished without training with a partner. Without timing the gains I make cannot be applied. Also, alot of overtraining is a mental game…being able to push yourself beyond the line of life and death is imperitive. I also cannot stand to know that someone out there is doing more than me.
So, this is the third time you’re asking. Advice you get from p-22 and Bushidobadboy is the best available. Are you one of those guys that always talks about getting a tattoo, but never does?
Also, the thing about timing your gains is crap! If you were suddenly stronger, I think it would take about 2 seconds to figure out how to apply it. How old are you?
I’m not the type to bust someone’s ass, but you’ve asked essentially the same question 3 times, basically ignoring the advice given by the resident experts. I’m sure you’re not intending to be a dork.
I was wondering if you could take a look at my posting in the gear forums entitled: New Cycle. Can you offer your advice. I remember speaking with you before and finding your advice helpful.
-Thanks
I was wondering if you could take a look at my posting in the gear forums entitled: New Cycle. Can you offer your advice. I remember speaking with you before and finding your advice helpful.
-Thanks
[quote]confusion wrote:
So, this is the third time you’re asking. Advice you get from p-22 and Bushidobadboy is the best available. Are you one of those guys that always talks about getting a tattoo, but never does?
Also, the thing about timing your gains is crap! If you were suddenly stronger, I think it would take about 2 seconds to figure out how to apply it. How old are you?
I’m not the type to bust someone’s ass, but you’ve asked essentially the same question 3 times, basically ignoring the advice given by the resident experts. I’m sure you’re not intending to be a dork.[/quote]
Woops…that was a technical error on my part. I have also listed more tan one posting. It is not my intention to be “dork” but I don’t use these forums often and I don’t know what the f-ck I am doing.
As far as being the guy who talks about getting a tattoo. This is not easy for me. I have never done any drug or even tried a ciggerette in the course of my life. If I do this…I want to do it right and with the right applied know how. That’s why I have asked so many questions and changed the cycle ideas around…I just want to do it right. Its my body and my career…so it is somwhat important.
[quote]MMAFighter wrote:
confusion wrote:
So, this is the third time you’re asking. Advice you get from p-22 and Bushidobadboy is the best available. Are you one of those guys that always talks about getting a tattoo, but never does?
Also, the thing about timing your gains is crap! If you were suddenly stronger, I think it would take about 2 seconds to figure out how to apply it. How old are you?
I’m not the type to bust someone’s ass, but you’ve asked essentially the same question 3 times, basically ignoring the advice given by the resident experts. I’m sure you’re not intending to be a dork.
Woops…that was a technical error on my part. I have also listed more tan one posting. It is not my intention to be “dork” but I don’t use these forums often and I don’t know what the f-ck I am doing.
As far as being the guy who talks about getting a tattoo. This is not easy for me. I have never done any drug or even tried a ciggerette in the course of my life. If I do this…I want to do it right and with the right applied know how. That’s why I have asked so many questions and changed the cycle ideas around…I just want to do it right. Its my body and my career…so it is somwhat important.
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MMAFighter, You’re right. It’s serious stuff. I’ll check your other thread.