What is even more rediculis is a law suit over that. Like its a big deal that someone was disciplined for saying something. What actually happend to the girl?
If she wasnt suspended, expelled, beaten, or who knows what then its pointless and a waste of time.
Yea maybe she shouldnt have gotten in trouble, but who gives a shit. Imagine the hell that would be going on if everyone who got in trouble for something as rediculis as this went and got a lawyer and filed a lawsuit.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
Yeah, we should cut all the funding to the cops and spend that money on building our own army. Doesn’t sound like a place I want to live.[/quote]
Then please don’t live here. We are granted the right to keep and bear arms under the second amendment.
You can look down your nose at our rights all you want - we have hundreds of thousands of brave men that have laid down their lives to defend that which you so glibly dismiss.
Our borders will never be invaded by a foreign country. Our government will never be able to completely disregard the will of the people. Our ability to defend ourselves independent of government protection. These are all possible because of our right to bear arms.
Ask the wonderful people of Europe if they enjoy the same peace of mind. They need only look 60 years in the past to see that their peace of mind is tenuous at best.
The basic concept of the US founding fathers is that the PEOPLE are are in charge - not the government.
We had gun buy back from the government 10years ago. Since then we have had less gun deaths. Doesn’t that make sense.
I’m sure there are plenty of Americans who want tighter gun laws. I do you think you guys could do with less people owning guns. I mean, you have plenty of unstable crazy dudes out there. Do they need firearms?
And what about all the accidental deaths? I think if everyone has guns, they need some mandatory training to go with them, like driving a car. But make the tests tough.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Our borders will never be invaded by a foreign country. Our government will never be able to completely disregard the will of the people. Our ability to defend ourselves independent of government protection. These are all possible because of our right to bear arms.
The basic concept of the US founding fathers is that the PEOPLE are are in charge - not the government. [/quote]
The basic concept is a good one. Maybe guns aren’t the problem. It would be nice to think if someone did invade your boarders, you could all grab a gun and defend your country. In reality alot of the people would use it as an opportunity to grab a new TV that they cant afford.
Don’t forget 911. That was a wake up call for the US. You’re not untouchable.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
We had gun buy back from the government 10years ago. Since then we have had less gun deaths. Doesn’t that make sense.[/quote]
No, you didn’t have a gun buy back. Did the government originally own the guns? Were they really buying them back?
Accidental deaths? Okay, let’s outlaw swimming pools and cars too. If you look at honest stats you will see that accidental gun deaths are exceptionally low. I could almost sympathize with your belief that you should have to pass a test to own a gun, but unfortunately it would have to be the government that issued the test and decided who can and cannot own a weapon.
Considering that we own guns to protect first and foremost from the government, that option is off the table. Besides, there are plenty of unconstitutional gun laws on the books in the first place limiting gun ownership. It isn’t quite as easy to buy a gun as you may expect.
mike
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
The basic concept is a good one. Maybe guns aren’t the problem. It would be nice to think if someone did invade your boarders, you could all grab a gun and defend your country. In reality alot of the people would use it as an opportunity to grab a new TV that they cant afford.
Don’t forget 911. That was a wake up call for the US. You’re not untouchable.
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How many TV sets were stolen on 9-11? You severely underestimate the American spirit.
Cowards killed innocent people by stealing planes. Hardly the same thing as trying to take over our country.
But keep reaching. Your gun control logic is as loopy as your steroid logic.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Andrew Dixon wrote:
The basic concept is a good one. Maybe guns aren’t the problem. It would be nice to think if someone did invade your boarders, you could all grab a gun and defend your country. In reality alot of the people would use it as an opportunity to grab a new TV that they cant afford.
Don’t forget 911. That was a wake up call for the US. You’re not untouchable.
How many TV sets were stolen on 9-11? You severely underestimate the American spirit.
Cowards killed innocent people by stealing planes. Hardly the same thing as trying to take over our country.
But keep reaching. Your gun control logic is as loopy as your steroid logic.
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You may be correct. I was just thinking of the LA riots years ago. But that wasn’t exactly boarder invasion.
Ive been doing some more reading and you are correct, guns aren’t the problem. Taking the guns away is like putting new tyers on my poorly aligned car. We need to fix the alignment.
Crime is the problem, not guns.
Its interesting to hear these views on government and control. It sounds good in theory. Is it really that free?
My steroids view isn’t all that loopy. Its the same view I have on pretty much any drugs these days. I hope to stay off drugs for the rest of my life. Prescription, performance or party.
How did I know this happened in California?? What a surprise.
[quote]Fonebone wrote:
Andrew Dixon wrote:
I train a gay dude and sometimes in conversaion when I would explain something that I didnt like, I’d be searching for a word(Id normally have just said gay, but felt like eing politically correct) and he’d finish my sentence for me with the word “gay”. No big deal to him.
I also train a guy in a wheel chair with cerebral palsy. I slipped up and said something was retared to him once (retarded usually refers to mentally slow which he is not). I felt pretty bad and asked him about it the following week…He said he didnt give a shit about stuff like that.
It’s what you mean that matters, not so what you say.
So true. All these “perpetual victims” need to lighten up and get over themselves.[/quote]
Being a homo myself i gotta say, i certainly don’t wanna live my life as a perpetual victim. It’s just plain ignorant for anyone o live like that. How can you live if you are always a victim. Get over it!
Acting like EVERY little thing is offensive is not only gay and retarded its completelu counter productive.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
Just like their weapon law etc.
What, may I ask, is wrong with our weapon law? [/quote]
The fact that so many people carries guns equals to so many unguilty people getting shot and comes in the crossfire. In countrys with very tight weaponlaws, there is no such things. Getting beaten up in hand-combat in the town is alot better than getting shot.
Why do you buy a gun? To protect you from other people who buys a gun. Can you see the evil circle?
[quote]Misterhamper wrote:
TrainerinDC wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
Just like their weapon law etc.
What, may I ask, is wrong with our weapon law?
The fact that so many people carries guns equals to so many unguilty people getting shot and comes in the crossfire. In countrys with very tight weaponlaws, there is no such things. Getting beaten up in hand-combat in the town is alot better than getting shot.
Why do you buy a gun? To protect you from other people who buys a gun. Can you see the evil circle?[/quote]
Nice try - poor logic.
The right to own a gun gives the individual the right to protect himself from more than just a burglar. Although, if you break into my house when any of my family is present, up to and including my 12 year-old daughter, you will be carried out with a sheet over your head.
The right to bear arms protects the people from the government as well as foreign invaders.
It’s about the rights of the people - not the rights of the government.
I just have to wonder why, if there is so much rampant death and destruction, America is the destination of choice for more immigrants than any other country on the planet?
[quote]Misterhamper wrote:
TrainerinDC wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
Just like their weapon law etc.
What, may I ask, is wrong with our weapon law?
The fact that so many people carries guns equals to so many unguilty people getting shot and comes in the crossfire. In countrys with very tight weaponlaws, there is no such things. Getting beaten up in hand-combat in the town is alot better than getting shot.
Why do you buy a gun? To protect you from other people who buys a gun. Can you see the evil circle?[/quote]
What we non Americans have to understand is the they are scared and feel he need for guns for protection. Its almost like they’ve been brain washed. Its totally understandable considering the history behind it. You cant just take away the guns. I understand this now.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
What we non Americans have to understand is the they are scared and feel he need for guns for protection. Its almost like they’ve been brain washed. Its totally understandable considering the history behind it. You cant just take away the guns. I understand this now.[/quote]
Scared has nothing to do with it. There is not a country in Western Europe, or Eastern Europe for that matter, that have not been overtaken by a foreign invader in the last 100 years.
Well - save for England, but they had the snot bombed out of them in the 40’s.
Our founding fathers had the foresight to see that absolute power corrupts, and that a well armed citizenry will go a long ways in preventing any one from getting too big for his britches - while at the same time create a deterrent to foreign invaders that has lasted well over 200 years.
Fear? How about strength? I highly doubt that anyone will be following the lead of the Aussies anytime soon.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Andrew Dixon wrote:
What we non Americans have to understand is the they are scared and feel he need for guns for protection. Its almost like they’ve been brain washed. Its totally understandable considering the history behind it. You cant just take away the guns. I understand this now.
Scared has nothing to do with it. There is not a country in Western Europe, or Eastern Europe for that matter, that have not been overtaken by a foreign invader in the last 100 years.
Well - save for England, but they had the snot bombed out of them in the 40’s.
Our founding fathers had the foresight to see that absolute power corrupts, and that a well armed citizenry will go a long ways in preventing any one from getting too big for his britches - while at the same time create a deterrent to foreign invaders that has lasted well over 200 years.
Fear? How about strength? I highly doubt that anyone will be following the lead of the Aussies anytime soon. [/quote]
“Guns made America great”
““queer,” “ghetto” and the n-word.”
hehe n-word.
Anyway there’s really few insults that don’t insult a minority group
;this is gay, this sucks(cocksuckers), this is retarded retarded, dumb (mutes), you bastard (bastards), five finger fuck me!, etc…
what are we allowed to say?
[quote]Taquito wrote:
what are we allowed to say?
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Gosh darn it to heck.
Wow never saw the gun debate comin’ out of this.
Anyway I’d say the reason for arming our citizens has nothing to do with foreign invaders, but more ensuring the ability to overthrow the current government if it gets too despotic. We could easily allow our military the right to bare arms and recently, they are the only ones who have needed to use them in war. But with an armed citizenry it is difficult to take complete control.
Unless they limit what type of arms a civilian may have. Shit! That’s so gay.
[quote]Taquito wrote:
““queer,” “ghetto” and the n-word.”
hehe n-word.
Anyway there’s really few insults that don’t insult a minority group
;this is gay, this sucks(cocksuckers), this is retarded retarded, dumb (mutes), you bastard (bastards), five finger fuck me!, etc…
what are we allowed to say?
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I agree. I always thought the whole point of expletives and such is that they are offensive.
[quote]Taquito wrote:
Wow never saw the gun debate comin’ out of this.
Anyway I’d say the reason for arming our citizens has nothing to do with foreign invaders, but more ensuring the ability to overthrow the current government if it gets too despotic. We could easily allow our military the right to bare arms and recently, they are the only ones who have needed to use them in war. But with an armed citizenry it is difficult to take complete control.
Unless they limit what type of arms a civilian may have. Shit! That’s so gay.[/quote]
Our point exactly.
This is why our original weapon law is correct. All our original laws were correct. Free speech is correct. Anyone who says it is not is fucking gay. Gun ownership is right. If you say its not, you are fucking gay.
This is what makes us America. Another thing that makes us America is, that all of those arguing for this are American. We may have never met, or crossed paths and be from completely different walks of life. But if the need arose, we would be brothers. We would be brothers in arms. The arms granted us by our founding fathers.
There is no right that is unalienable. Possibly the pursuit of happiness, but that is due to the unalienability of the concept of pursuit. Life and liberty can be snatched away at a moments notice and are not guaranteed even when we are willing to lay down our lives to protect them. We can only attempt to protect our life and our liberties.
Specifically on gun control, its the country and the people that are screwed up not the laws. Other countries have much higher rates of guns per capita with lower gun death rates (Canada anyone).
It’s not our fault, we’re angry because we’re sexually repressed.
This is a country that threw a shitfit when a titty popped out of a shirt during a game where 300 pound men are trying to bury each other into the mud.
Ironic?