I’ll have to start on a Tren cycle so my brain can handle the Trenbonics.
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test tren winny dog thats the stack of marble slated greek gods such as my yokskied self
I believe it man, I wish I could hang. I wanna look like a Greek god too.
Ugh, there’s always these smartasses telling someone not to do something while they YOLO cruise on gear like there’s no tomorrow.
Anyways, for your purpose i wouldnt find Dbol really fitting, its more of a bulk compound, also bloats you like heck on top of test.
Search a bit into cutting stacks, Test & Dbol is something that like every casual would recommend hehe, but it depends on one’s goals, if your goal is to lose some weight and shape up i wouldnt choose dbol.
Post pics of yourself. The way you talk you are obviously gigantic and ripped as fuck. I want to be in utter awe of your godly physique.
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Not sure who you’re talking to, however I don’t cruise on anything. But good job recommending AAS to someone not currently going to the gym and is simply overweight, with seemingly modest and obtainable goals. 
For fuck sake, he has two young kids, and you mention nothing about the potential risks and simply to go for it, just don’t use DBol. Are you kidding me? Congrats.
Let’s give anavar and clen to everyone who wants to lose a little weight, what could go wrong?
I guess because I’ve run a few minor cycles myself, I shouldn’t be so hypocritical and should tell everyone how great of an idea AAS is for everyone.
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No, the notion is to use something mild/handled well in the beginning so you can reap gains, feel good and have minimal sides… then with you’re feet wet and knowing what to expect you can add other, harsher compounds if you so wish (though the majority never need to unless they’re competing… but do). I don’t believe you have to take test only, but something like test/primo would be suitable whilst test/deca wouldn’t be… If you go in blind and start blasting a huge combination of multiple compounds you could end up like a guy here named weightliftingwithoutlimits, I won’t specify his story as I’ve been told thats inappropriate now, however you can view his posts, see what happened to him…
No, we aren’t… you shouldn’t expect to be spoon fed information like a child, do the research… and if you aren’t intelligent enough to put together a coherent first cycle whilst being well aware of the risks involved (instead of saying “tren, yolo, don’t care about an early death”) THEN members will help you out
Not only do you come across like a child here, I think you may be legitimately delusional. The way you articulate you’re thoughts is nonsensical, you can’t just “combat” neurological sides… and given you’re lack of ability to reason, you take tren/deca, have a bad time I can certainly see someone like you killing someone
stop saying this lol, there is no language to be learnt
It’s also just about the most dangerous combo one can take, and it frustrates me that people like you can actually access these drugs as you have no IDEA what you’re getting yourself into down the line… it’s a shame, but I guess that’s natural selection…
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Edit: I just noticed who you were. Apologies. Carry on with your performance art.
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It’s that guy who came on here earlier who went to the ER under false pretences, made numerous incoherent rants about bullshit right? He was banned in the end
That’s what I picked up immediately, the tweaked out vibe, incoherent ramblings… however grammatically this guy is quite a bit better
It wasn’t directed to you or anyone in particular, just in general, I’ve seen so many guys ask for advice and people just telling them not to do it and not giving any advice they were looking for.
I guess I meant like, in the end they are gonna do it anyway, people are stubborn, might as well give the advice they asked for and proper info so they could do it without hurting themselves, if they dont get proper advice and start to experiment themselves it could be a lot worse.
Yeah its not like Tren isnt gonna hurt anyone lol, bad idea sure, but If he listened to that dude at the gym he would just end up with more weight, bloat, and probably gyno, literally nothing he was looking for, thats what i mean hehe.
I agree it would be better for him to not use gear yet and first get proper training and nutrition regimen in check, but then again most people will be stubborn and do it anyway.
I completely agree, the majority of folks have already made up their mind that they will use AAS. Surprisingly though, there’s still a good number of even kids who take the advice and wait. Waking them up with reality can work, and I personally feel better about trying to deter those who aren’t ready, than not explaining the risks.
You’re right about DBol being bad for his situation, however, high dose test is also known to cause bloat, especially in those with higher body fat percentages, as well as cause E2 issues in higher body fat individuals.
As a father myself, I would hope he reads this and thinks maybe all of it isn’t worth the risk, especially given his family. I’m not saying never do steroids, but if his goals are modest and achievable with a little hard work, that he shouldn’t take the health and hormonal risks.
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I don’t think any of us give a rats ass about respect from the natty community. Steroids don’t turn you into the rock or a stage competitor on their own. Nobody knows I use and I keep things light in my opinion. @aaronca was advocating as I do that they should be a last resort from experience. It’s a waste of gear when you make the gains anyway from either a new lifter or just getting back into it perspective. Plus the risks to your HPTA and mental health versus the chances you turn into a lifetime gym goer are not worth it. Most people that just start working out don’t stick with it. Those returning have already proven they don’t stick with it. Just my opinion and I respect yours.
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I’d agree with everything you’ve wrote here. Problem is I would never recommend using exogenous test or designer steroids at 19 years of age.
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Of course those who use AAS care what the natty community thinks…well at least most. If it weren’t this way then there wouldn’t be the plethora of AAS users not coming out with the truth that they juice or lying saying they don’t juice. Saying that one needs to obtain a genetic potential conveys that the AAS user delivering that information has obviously obtained that genetic potential (damn hard and of course near impossible). Obtaining genetic potential is simply aww inspiring and places the AAS user speaking such rhetoric on a platform (it’s just silly and not necessary). I’d bet 1% of AAS users (those who even look phenomenal) only obtained “close” to their genetic potential before juicing. It’s said as if its a rite of passage to juicing and only those who are worthy shall be granted access to gear. I think if we all (including me) on this forum look ourselves in the mirror and are honest…we did not obtain close to our genetic potential because the body is phenomenal and capable of extraordinary things. If you think you were close…then I think you’re not giving yourself enough credit for what you could achieve as a natty. Workout for a few years, know how to use AAS, know how to effectively workout, and understand how to balance macros. Its actually really simple, it’s just not easy. God bless.
You’re seeming to compare professional or sponsored athletes with average joe shmoes who juice. Most average Joes do not care about whether or not people know they juice, and the ones the do, more than likely probably just don’t like the stigma associated with steroids. I don’t think the vast majority of AAS users give two shits about what natural folks think. Now body builders, athletes, sponsored fitness folks, are a different story. For obvious reasons they do not admit to steroid use, and I don’t blame them. However most average folks I have met, are quite open to talking about their use, prior to them knowing I myself have run a few cycles.
Again, you’re taking “genetic potential” far too literal. Have any of us reached 100% genetic potential? No, doubtful. Most people will continue to very slowly grow until older age causes you to lose some slowly. Reaching close to genetic potential or to the point of extreme slow gains on the other hand? I consider myself in that category.
So sure, if you want to be extremely literal, no, I doubt anyone truly reaches genetic potential. However, it is far smarter, IMO, to get those beginner gains and subsequent “easy” gains in the first few years, before touching steroids. Again, why risk health for something that you can achieve naturally?! Like someone else mentioned too, all too often people (especially in January), get on a health kick, and decide to hit the gym. By June, they are done and give up. Would you recommend steroids to all the folks making a New Years resolution to start hitting the gym?! No. If you read the OP’s post, it’s clear he’s not ready. So maybe you took genetic potential too literal, or maybe I shouldn’t use that specific phrase. But putting on a solid foundation, by eating right and lifting right IS crucial. Maintaining gains after a PCT is not an easy task for folks not super dedicated to this life style.
It’s just the genetic potential saying deters many who would benefit from AAS use. I think it is “reasonable” for someone to take AAS after lifting for only 3 years or so. If one is serious, you can make MUCH progress after only 3 years of lifting. Hell, after my first year of fuckn around in the gym I went from a 135 backsquat to about a 225 backsquat. Then I got on a real powerlifting program (smolov) and took my backsquat from a 225 to 355 for 5 within the second year. So within 2 years I could rep 355 for 5 on the backsquat. Being around serious powerlifters, they always told me to reach this genetic potential shit before using AAS. Things slowed down and it took maybe another 2 years before I could confidently and routinely get over 405 on the backsquat (I was always better at 5 rep maxes rather than a 1 rep max because percentage wise 405 “should” be easy - I also got injured but anyway). It’s just BS…had I used AAS safely and reasonably before I wouldn’t have wasted so many years when I was younger because I thought I was inadequate to use AAS. People tend to put AAS on a platform. Vent over (lol…sorry). I suppose I’m just bitter and wish I used them sooner).
I’m on trt, have been since 17
And I’ve never used “designer” compounds aside from 1-androsterone. If you wish to take shots at me, that’s fine… I’m bound to attract a large body of criticism for my decisions. However this isn’t the right place to do so, do it on one of my topics that I’ve created
WTF guys, you could at least sound a troll alert so I can grab my popcorn.
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Although I don’t discredit what you’re saying, you have to understand that your situation is the outlier and not typical for most of the folks coming on here. AND, look what you did naturally… you accomplished a good bit.
Had you hopped on earlier, you’d have done probably the same numbers maybe slightly more, and either destroyed your body lifting way heavier than your tendons were ready to handle. Probably dealing with injuries, being in and out of the gym, and who knows what hormonal issues you could have potentially run into.
I personally waited ~8 years. I lifted 5-6 days a week, without missing a week except for a rare vacation or body rest week. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on supplements and religiously took them (wake up shake, pre workout, post workout, casein for bed) on top of 4000+ calories of predominantly healthy food daily. I truly, truly dedicated my life to that shit. I also waited until I had two kids, JUST in case AAS affected my fertility.
So I get it, maybe some guys over preach. I personally feel as though I was TRULY at a point where the amount of muscle i could gain in a year, was so small, and each year I get older it gets harder, that I ran a cycle.
So we just see things differently. I think When most folks say genetic potential, we don’t actually mean 100% maxed out (at least I don’t). I just mean get all the gains you can naturally, first, within reason or until it dramatically slows down. Make it become a routine. Use AAS to enhance your workouts, don’t use them to motivate you to workout.
Just as an example. Someone whose 6’ and super thin, say 145lbs, should relatively easily be able to put on 20-30lbs. Instead, this individual runs 3 cycles in a year to add the same 20-30lbs. Sure, they did it a bit faster than naturally, but now what? How much more gear do they have to run to keep getting results? I’d personally like to get gains from the least amount of gear possible. Again, all comes down to personal preference and risk taking. I just can’t fathom taking the risks for something most can achieve without doing it.
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I believe we see eye to eye and can shake hands (virtually) to this.
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