Thib's Random Thought of the Day

[quote]loopfitt wrote:
Sorry, perhaps this has been answered but i can’t find a definitive one. For CT, this I,BB program that is presently on the site, is this “Stage 1” of a more comprehensive program? Will you be posting further stages or are we expected to use our own knowledge gained from this stage to set up further programming?

I say this based on seeing your log and use of such techniques as weight-releasing,etc. Will future stages(assuming there are any) incorporate more of these “advanced” methods to the I,BB protocol?

edit: just noticed we both joined this forum at the same time, hehe…been a long time![/quote]

I,BB is like ‘‘first grade’’… there will be other programs, each one aimed at introducing gradually more advanced training concepts.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
FEBRUARY 18TH

HIGH REPS HTH

The whole basis of HTH is to focus on trying to accelerate the load as much as possible on each repetition. This way every single rep has a maximal training effect because, regardless of the load and your fatigue state, you always produce as much force as you can at that point (force = mass x acceleration). In other words, the acceleration can compensate for the lower weight or lower fatigue level.

Another basic principle is to avoid grinding reps as they tend to really put a burden on the CNS and hinder recovery more than they contribute to added growth.

So this somewhat tends to remove higher rep sets out of the equation as fatigue accumulated from rep to rep will either cause a grinding type of contraction after 6-7 reps OR force you to use a very light load to avoid grinding, but that load might be too light for you to be able to produce maximum force.

Still, there is a benefit to performing higher reps when it comes to building muscle mass. Volume does contribute to increasing the size of muscle fibers.

So what is one to do if he wants to include higher reps stuff (outside of the occasional max reps set at the end of a low reps ramp)?

The solution is a form of cluster training where you perform a series of “mini-sets” of 2-3 reps spaced out by 10 seconds rest intervals. This way you can perform sets of 8-12 reps with a relatively heavy weight without grinding.

A god starting point is roughly 65-70% of your maximum (the 65-75% zone is ideal) and you perform micro, or mini sets of 2-3 reps with 10 seconds of rest between them.

How many reps do you do per mini-set? 2 or 3… Ideally you shoot for 3, but if after the second rep you know that the third one will be a grind, only do two (this will probably happen after 2-3 mini-sets).

How many mini-sets do you do? As many as you can without taking more than 10 seconds of rest and without grinding. For example, if you complete 2 mini-sets of 3 reps and 2 mini-sets of 2 reps but on the fifth mini-set the first rep is the most you can do without grinding, you stop your set there.

The above example would look like this:

3 reps (no grinding)
10 sec. rest
3 reps (all reps are still solid)
10 sec. rest
2 reps (second rep was hard, 3rd would likely have been a grind)
10 sec. rest
2 reps (both reps were hard, 2nd rep was borderline)
10 sec. rest
1 rep (the second rep would have been a grind for sure_
STOP THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DO AT LEAST 2 REPS WITHOUT GRINDING

So that set would be for a total of 11 reps.

There is no need to ramp up. You keep the same weigh for all the sets and you stop the exercise when you can’t perform at least 8 total reps with the selected load. I still recommend 2-3 ramping sets of 3 reps to activate the nervous system before starting our high rep sets.[/quote]

For an exercise like bench, would you re-rack, or just lock out for the 10 second rest?

Or…

Doing pin presses would probably make it easier to use this technique for pushing exercises.

[quote]timmcbride00 wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
FEBRUARY 18TH

HIGH REPS HTH

The whole basis of HTH is to focus on trying to accelerate the load as much as possible on each repetition. This way every single rep has a maximal training effect because, regardless of the load and your fatigue state, you always produce as much force as you can at that point (force = mass x acceleration). In other words, the acceleration can compensate for the lower weight or lower fatigue level.

Another basic principle is to avoid grinding reps as they tend to really put a burden on the CNS and hinder recovery more than they contribute to added growth.

So this somewhat tends to remove higher rep sets out of the equation as fatigue accumulated from rep to rep will either cause a grinding type of contraction after 6-7 reps OR force you to use a very light load to avoid grinding, but that load might be too light for you to be able to produce maximum force.

Still, there is a benefit to performing higher reps when it comes to building muscle mass. Volume does contribute to increasing the size of muscle fibers.

So what is one to do if he wants to include higher reps stuff (outside of the occasional max reps set at the end of a low reps ramp)?

The solution is a form of cluster training where you perform a series of “mini-sets” of 2-3 reps spaced out by 10 seconds rest intervals. This way you can perform sets of 8-12 reps with a relatively heavy weight without grinding.

A god starting point is roughly 65-70% of your maximum (the 65-75% zone is ideal) and you perform micro, or mini sets of 2-3 reps with 10 seconds of rest between them.

How many reps do you do per mini-set? 2 or 3… Ideally you shoot for 3, but if after the second rep you know that the third one will be a grind, only do two (this will probably happen after 2-3 mini-sets).

How many mini-sets do you do? As many as you can without taking more than 10 seconds of rest and without grinding. For example, if you complete 2 mini-sets of 3 reps and 2 mini-sets of 2 reps but on the fifth mini-set the first rep is the most you can do without grinding, you stop your set there.

The above example would look like this:

3 reps (no grinding)
10 sec. rest
3 reps (all reps are still solid)
10 sec. rest
2 reps (second rep was hard, 3rd would likely have been a grind)
10 sec. rest
2 reps (both reps were hard, 2nd rep was borderline)
10 sec. rest
1 rep (the second rep would have been a grind for sure_
STOP THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DO AT LEAST 2 REPS WITHOUT GRINDING

So that set would be for a total of 11 reps.

There is no need to ramp up. You keep the same weigh for all the sets and you stop the exercise when you can’t perform at least 8 total reps with the selected load. I still recommend 2-3 ramping sets of 3 reps to activate the nervous system before starting our high rep sets.[/quote]

For an exercise like bench, would you re-rack, or just lock out for the 10 second rest?

Or…

Doing pin presses would probably make it easier to use this technique for pushing exercises.[/quote]

Good point. Any exercise that requires an unracking that waste a lot of energy is not optimal to use with this method. Lifts from the pins whould thus be a better choice for benching and squatting.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]David1991 wrote:
What is the reason that this is not incorporated for the “max reps set” in the I, BB routines?[/quote]

The IBB program is only a level 1 program. There are many more techniques that we use. The IBB is basically to teach you how to accelerate and autoregulate.

Plus, I developed this method 6-8 weeks ago and just finished experimenting with it. The IBB program was written about 10 months ago. [/quote]

Ah OK, so in the future is there really every a reason to do normal higher rep sets, or should we just stick to this method the majority of the time?

[quote]David1991 wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]David1991 wrote:
What is the reason that this is not incorporated for the “max reps set” in the I, BB routines?[/quote]

The IBB program is only a level 1 program. There are many more techniques that we use. The IBB is basically to teach you how to accelerate and autoregulate.

Plus, I developed this method 6-8 weeks ago and just finished experimenting with it. The IBB program was written about 10 months ago. [/quote]

Ah OK, so in the future is there really every a reason to do normal higher rep sets, or should we just stick to this method the majority of the time?[/quote]

RIGHT NOW (we are constantly experimenting so we might actually find new methods in the future) the only time I would recommend using somewhat high reps are:

  1. ONE max reps set at the end of a low reps ramp
  2. High rep HTH as described earlier
  3. Going up to 6-8 reps on isolation movements with a short range of motion only

CT my friend, that High Rep HTH protocol of yours kicked my butt today…

I foolishly tried it with Lumberjack Squats after Deficit SGDLs and Overhead Shrugs… I felt a little weak on my third ramp feel set at 210 so I dropped it down to 205. Nailed 13 reps in the first set but it was still too heavy as I grinded a little on the last mini-set of two reps… so I dropped it down to 195 for the two remaining sets. Next time I will definitely do these earlier in the workout. And to think I was actually planning to do Lumberjack Squat Presses! Those five sets of high reps on the Overhead Shrugs changed my mind mighty quick!

Here is my training log for the day… FYI I am following a Frequency Dominant Pull-Push Routine:

Friday, 19 February (Pull-Push No. 70)

4" Deficit Snatch-Grip Deadlift:
10 x 95 (043)
3 x 195 (089)
6 x 3 @ 275 (125); Speed Pulls

Overhead Shrug:
20 x 155 (70); NEW REP PR!
12 x 175 (79)
12 x 135 (61); 3-Count Hold
16 x 115 (52); 5-Count Hold
8 x 95 (43); 10-Count Hold

Lumberjack Squat:
3 x 135 (61)
3 x 185 (84) > Ramping Activation Sets
3 x 210 (95)

3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 @ 205 (93)
3 + 3 + 2 + 2 @ 195 (89) > High Rep HTH 10-Second Rest-Pause Mini-Sets
3 + 3 + 2 @ 195 (89)

CT, could there be an optimal way to use FT reps for bench or squat while incorporating High Rep HTH?

[quote]captaincalvert wrote:
Another basic principle is to avoid grinding reps as they tend to really put a burden on the CNS and hinder recovery more than they contribute to added growth.

Before I ask my questions I would like to say that my personal experience confirms what you say here. Still, one thing bothers me about the concept of CNS fatigue. I can’t find any scientific research at all on the subject. It’s like CNS fatigue only exists for members of T-Nation. I’ve seen some studies on short term CNS fatigue during training activities, but nothing on long term or chronic states of nervous fatigue.

Can you point to any references on this phenomenon?

A while back I ran into a guy who used to teach where I got my PT education. I asked him about it, and in his opinion it was virtually impossible to overload the CNS for longer periods of time. I’m not sure I believe him at all though. What you say seems more reasonable, and corresponds better with real world experience.

The guy above me is right. As far as I’m aware there might not be any direct research into the area but there are numerous studies which produce subjects suffering from fatigue that have lead the researchers to believe that CNS fatigue is the only explanation.

Besides if you know it occurs you don’t need studies for it unless you’re writing a literature review on the area, which I doubt.
[/quote]

First of all. Thanks to Roy for responding and pointing me in the right direction.

My reasons for looking into it is simply that I am a professional trainer, though sadly not half as knowledgable as Thibs. Hopefully I’ll become that good some day. Anyway, people at my gym ask me a lot of questions, and I like to give them answers that are detailed and science based. I acknowledge the high probability of CNS fatigue as a real phenomenon, but it’s always nice to be able to explain how it happens, why it happens, and how we came to know that it happens.

If no research is done there is also the off chance that the fatigue phenomenon is related to something other than the CNS. That’s the nature of science. We’re often convinced that something must be right. Then new data comes to light, and we have to start all over again. I’m not saying it’s the case here, but the possibility can’t be ruled out.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
FEBRUARY 18TH

HIGH REPS HTH

The whole basis of HTH is to focus on trying to accelerate the load as much as possible on each repetition. This way every single rep has a maximal training effect because, regardless of the load and your fatigue state, you always produce as much force as you can at that point (force = mass x acceleration). In other words, the acceleration can compensate for the lower weight or lower fatigue level.

Another basic principle is to avoid grinding reps as they tend to really put a burden on the CNS and hinder recovery more than they contribute to added growth.

So this somewhat tends to remove higher rep sets out of the equation as fatigue accumulated from rep to rep will either cause a grinding type of contraction after 6-7 reps OR force you to use a very light load to avoid grinding, but that load might be too light for you to be able to produce maximum force.

Still, there is a benefit to performing higher reps when it comes to building muscle mass. Volume does contribute to increasing the size of muscle fibers.

So what is one to do if he wants to include higher reps stuff (outside of the occasional max reps set at the end of a low reps ramp)?

The solution is a form of cluster training where you perform a series of “mini-sets” of 2-3 reps spaced out by 10 seconds rest intervals. This way you can perform sets of 8-12 reps with a relatively heavy weight without grinding.

A god starting point is roughly 65-70% of your maximum (the 65-75% zone is ideal) and you perform micro, or mini sets of 2-3 reps with 10 seconds of rest between them.

How many reps do you do per mini-set? 2 or 3… Ideally you shoot for 3, but if after the second rep you know that the third one will be a grind, only do two (this will probably happen after 2-3 mini-sets).

How many mini-sets do you do? As many as you can without taking more than 10 seconds of rest and without grinding. For example, if you complete 2 mini-sets of 3 reps and 2 mini-sets of 2 reps but on the fifth mini-set the first rep is the most you can do without grinding, you stop your set there.

The above example would look like this:

3 reps (no grinding)
10 sec. rest
3 reps (all reps are still solid)
10 sec. rest
2 reps (second rep was hard, 3rd would likely have been a grind)
10 sec. rest
2 reps (both reps were hard, 2nd rep was borderline)
10 sec. rest
1 rep (the second rep would have been a grind for sure_
STOP THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DO AT LEAST 2 REPS WITHOUT GRINDING

So that set would be for a total of 11 reps.

There is no need to ramp up. You keep the same weigh for all the sets and you stop the exercise when you can’t perform at least 8 total reps with the selected load. I still recommend 2-3 ramping sets of 3 reps to activate the nervous system before starting our high rep sets.[/quote]

just to be clear…

could this be followed by the 8x3, 5x5, and high rep set as a
type of (i hate to call it that but…) finisher for the workout?

or would the 2-3 sets of ramps and the cluster training be the
full session?

(in case you didnt notice i LOVE volume)

Where’s the post on “alternating ratchet”, I don’t remember the name exactly, but the concept was that you’d ramp up a 1 max load rep while ramping down a 3 rep max speed set.

Edit, I found what I was looking for, it’s from jan 13th. It’s pure gold.

So with regards to the High Reps HTH, what about on your Lower Back Spec program. The final day you have 3 sets of Back Extensions using body weight only for max reps. Should that be changed?? Or is that possibly one exception to the rule?

FEBRUARY 23RD

EXPLOSIVE EXERCISE FOR STRENGTH, SIZE AND PERFORMANCE

I once remember being a knowledge-thirsty young university student and avid lifter; I would read everything I could get my hands on regarding training, nutrition, supplements… basically anything that would help me get stronger.

One thing stuck with me and it came from Louie Simmons. He said: ‘‘Bring me someone fast (or explosive) and I can make him strong’’.

To me, this short sentence sums up pretty well what I consider to be the real secret of successful training: explosiveness, the capacity to generate acceleration, is the key!

When I look back at my career as a strength coach; working with many pro hockey players, some pro football players and amateur athletes from 28 different sports including many junior and senior national champions and some Olympic athletes, I realize that I have encountered a myriad of examples that supported what Louie said.

In most cases, the athletes who are the most explosive are those who gain strength at the fastest rate when properly trained.

And my travel to the bodybuilding side of things have showed something similar in that the bodybuilders that come from a background of speed and power sports are those who generally build the most muscle.

From my experience in the trenches I have come to believe that the capacity to be explosive is they key that unlocks your potential for rapid strength and size gains.

I have experienced it myself. For most of my training life I trained either for football (8 years) or Olympic lifting (6 years). In both cases my trained was centered around explosive movements. Either in the form of the Olympic lifts themselves or various forms of jumps, throws and sprints.

When I was competing in Olympic lifting, I would routinely take 2-3 months away from the lifts and focus more on bodybuilding-type stuff to give my body a break (and because I still wanted to improve the way I looked…girls dig big guns). In those 2-3 months I would make more rapid gains in size than most ‘‘bodybuilders’’ would in 6.

Same thing happened with the hockey players I trained. They basically play hockey 6-8 months out of the year then have anywhere from 8 to 16 weeks to train to get ready for the next season. In those 8 to 16 weeks they would gain more muscle than many guys do in a year or more, and they were not even training for size!

Look at gymnasts and sprinters: most are very muscular and strong despite not training for it. Yeah the hours of athletic training do play a role in that, but to me the real secret is that those guys are motor geniuses when it comes to producing a high level of acceleration. It might be genetic, an acquired trait due to their training, or a combination of both. But the fact still remains: if you are explosive you will build muscle more easily than those who aren’t.

True, these athletes are often genetically gifted in the fast twitch muscle fiber ratio department. But it is my belief that with proper training, even someone with an average (or even somewhat slow-twitch dominant) fiber profile can take on a more fast-twitch profile. The Eastern European sport scientist Tiyhani has demonstrated this to be true.

With years of coaching and training I came to conclusion that you can compensate a lousy genetic hand delt to you by working on your explosiveness, which will improve the nervous system capacity to recruit fast-twitch muscle fibers.

And the more efficient you are at recruiting those, the more you’ll grow and the stronger you’ll get.

In fact I strongly believe that when someone has a lagging muscle group the main reason why it’s lagging (provided that it is being trained like the other muscle groups) is that your nervous system is not efficient at optimally recruiting the fast twitch fibers within that muscle.

Don’t forget that recruiting a muscle and especially its high-threshold motor units (FT fibers) is not merely a physical action: it is a motor skill.

To be able to maximally stimulate a muscle group you must be able to recruit its high threshold motor units. If you are not good at it naturally, or if you haven’t hit the fast-twitch jackpot when you were in your mother’s womb, you must practice it!

Frequency of specific practice is the cornerstone of motor skill acquisition and mastery.

Ok, to recap what we have so far:

  1. Individuals who are more explosive are more efficient at optimally recruiting and using the fast-twitch fibers.

  2. The more efficient you are at recruiting and stimulating the fast-twitch fibers the more growth and strength you can stimulate.

  3. Motor unit recruitment and coordination is a motor skill.

  4. Frequency of specific practice is how you improve a motor skill.

  5. To become better at recruiting the money muscle fibers you must practice recruiting them, and this requires utilizing techniques that emphasize those fibers.

Yes heavy lifting will recruit the fast twitch fibers. So getting stronger is obviously a way to work on that skill (and get bigger). However heavy lifting can be a catch 22 situation: someone who can’t efficiently recruit its high threshold motor units will not be able to produce strength up to his potential.

As a result heavy lifting will not stimulate the FT fibers optimally because they can’t get into play as much as needed to get the full training effect.

Heavy lifting is a great method to build strength and size when someone is explosive, because he is already skilled at recruiting the money muscle fibers.

But someone who can’t produce acceleration if his life depended on it will not reap the full benefits from heavy lifting until he develops the capacity to be explosive.

This is why focusing on ways to improve your explosiveness if it’s lagging will allow you to greatly improve your capacity to build strength and size in the near future.

And yes, explosiveness can be trained. When I was in college I was far from being fast, powerful or agile. I ran a 4.9 forty and had a 28’’ vertical.

After my Olympic lifting career was over I was looking for a new challenge and wanted to tryout for bobsleigh (I never did, but that’s not the point). My mentor timed me on the 40 with a Speed Trap II electric timer at 4.54. It is generally accepted that electric times are roughly 0.150 - 0.240s slower than hand timed sprints. So it’s not far fetched to assume roughly a 4.4 forty which would be a 0.5s improvement without any realy running training (over a period of 5 years, but still).

My vertical was also measured (using a force plate and a measuring device attached to my waist, so no possible cheating) at 39’‘. On 5’8’’ I was able to dunk a volleyball (cannot palm a full size basketball) from a standing start.

So yes, with proper training, explosiveness can be trained, even in the non-explosive individuals.

So how do you train explosiveness? There are several options. Here is a progression scale ranging from the ‘‘entry level’’ to the ‘‘highest level’’ explosive work.

Level 1 - Basic bilateral jumps (vertical jumping, broad jumping, jumping onto a box), throws (medicine ball throws from various positions) and sprints.

Level 2 - Unilateral jumps, hops and bounding

Level 3 - Weight lifting exercises trying to accelerate the weight as much as possible

Level 4 - Shock training or ‘‘real’’ plyometrics (depth jumps, depth push ups)

Level 5 - Ballistic exercises with a significant load (15-30% of the related lift); jumps squats, jumps lunges, bench throws, etc. Could even be medicine ball throws if the ball is heavy enough.

Level 6 - Variations of the Olympic lifts; weight lifting exercises for maximum acceleration with added band resistance

The mistake most people make, and the reason why they fail at significantly altering their explosiveness profile, is that they use a method above their current level of capacity.

I love the Olympic lifts, but if someone isn’t even able to accelerate the bar in a squat or another basic barbell lift, it makes little sense to use these movements as the cornerstone of explosiveness improvement.

Someone who is already fairly explosive (normally those with a solid athletic background) might be able to start at level 3 (even though level 1 and 2 exercises will still beneficial) while someone who is as explosive as a snail will likely need to focus on getting good at level 1 and level 2 movements before trying to improve explosiveness via more advanced means.

Remember: producing explosiveness is a motor skill; to learn that skill properly you must do the work in an optimal way. And there is no way to be optimal if you are using a method that outside of your current level.

I know how most of you feel; I’ve been there (still am to some extent). Improving your body (either its appearance or its capacity) is an emotional issue. We want results, and we want them yesterday.

In our desire to get the desired gains as soon as possible we will always tend to resort to the most advanced methods right off the bat. But remember that more advanced doesnâ??t equate more effective. The most effective method will be the one suited to your level of development.

See getting explosive as progressing through the school system: before going to college you must first finish high school. Before getting your masters degree you must first get your B.Sc., etc.

For some it might take more time to get there. But if you try to skip steps, you will never get where you want to go.

Getting back to heavy lifting. I feel that heavy lifting (in the 85%+ range) will not be optimally beneficial until you have reached mastery in the level 3 method.

In other words, to be ready to reap the most benefit out of very heavy lifting, you must first have the capacity to produce a high level of acceleration with loads ranging from 40 to roughly 65-70% of your maximum.

And by ‘‘high level of acceleration’’ understand that I do not mean bouncing, cheating and using bad form. The form must be textbook and the acceleration must be produced by utilizing the prime movers and synergist muscles themselves, not some unrelated muscle group.

So we’re back to square one: ''Bring me someone explosive and I can make him strong (or big)…

excellent article coach!!! Merci

Some of the most easy to read ‘scientific’ talk I have seen ever. You have taken a geek subject and brought it to the masses.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]Brian Smith wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
JANUARY 9TH

The FT does so by putting the muscle tissue under a large strain due to the ‘whipping’ effect of rapidly switching from eccentric to concentric. The DEADSTOP does so by forcing the muscle tissue to do the whole job (taking out the stretch reflex) thus having to contract harder.

Ironically both methods are exacts opposite, but they still create an overload of the same point […]

I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS … VERY IMPORTANT… when using these methods “deadstop” does refer to paused reps, not lifts from pins[/quote]

CT,

Sorry I’m not getting something.

You suggested a pause of 2-3 seconds … are we contracting the muscle isometically, or relaxing it? And does only 2-3 seconds totally dissipate the stretch-shortening reflex?

Thanks, and I like this random thought thread,

Brian[/quote]

Normally, and this is my mistake for the confusion… DEADSTOP = starting the bar from pins, resetting on every repetition. PAUSED REPS (which is what I meant to say in this thread about load vs. resistance) you stay tensed, holding the weight in the starting position for 2-3 seconds before pushing it.[/quote]

are paused reps also done on pins(bar supported by both lifter and rack)?

or say if benching, you would hold the weight at the bottom position?

Assuming one would start at Level 1:

Is there a time frame of training typically involved with level 1 and 2, or a certain criteria you would look for to determine if one mastered those levels sufficiently?

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]Brian Smith wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
JANUARY 9TH

The FT does so by putting the muscle tissue under a large strain due to the ‘whipping’ effect of rapidly switching from eccentric to concentric. The DEADSTOP does so by forcing the muscle tissue to do the whole job (taking out the stretch reflex) thus having to contract harder.

Ironically both methods are exacts opposite, but they still create an overload of the same point […]

I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS … VERY IMPORTANT… when using these methods “deadstop” does refer to paused reps, not lifts from pins[/quote]

CT,

Sorry I’m not getting something.

You suggested a pause of 2-3 seconds … are we contracting the muscle isometically, or relaxing it? And does only 2-3 seconds totally dissipate the stretch-shortening reflex?

Thanks, and I like this random thought thread,

Brian[/quote]

Normally, and this is my mistake for the confusion… DEADSTOP = starting the bar from pins, resetting on every repetition. PAUSED REPS (which is what I meant to say in this thread about load vs. resistance) you stay tensed, holding the weight in the starting position for 2-3 seconds before pushing it.[/quote]

are paused reps also done on pins(bar supported by both lifter and rack)?

or say if benching, you would hold the weight at the bottom position?[/quote]

Paused reps are held in the low position, keeping the muscles tensed.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
FEBRUARY 23RD

EXPLOSIVE EXERCISE FOR STRENGTH, SIZE AND PERFORMANCE

I once remember being a knowledge-thirsty young university student and avid lifter; I would read everything I could get my hands on regarding training, nutrition, supplements… basically anything that would help me get stronger.

One thing stuck with me and it came from Louie Simmons. He said: ‘‘Bring me someone fast (or explosive) and I can make him strong’’.
[/quote]

You wrote this for me Thibs . . . and I’m sure MANY others!!! This is probably my most lagging element of my training–my explosiveness. Anyways, thanks for sharing this random thought! I will definitely be thinking of more ways to incorporate some explosive training into future programs–which will probably also help me once I start I, BODYBUILDER this summer.

Thibs, I’m loving this thread. Every random thought of yours is getting saved into a Word Document for fear of the world ending and T-Nation site going offline.

Lots of questions on today’s random thought:

  1. How do you know if you’re slow enough to benefit from these types of training? Obviously, they’ll benefit even fast guys, but much less so than slow guys. And while I realize that it’s a continuum and not a sharp cut-off, are there any standards or observations you’ve made? For instance, how slow is “slow enough”? I hope that makes sense.

  2. If the primary goal is size and/or strength, how would you incorporate the explosive methods into a regular block of training? Would you do exclusively the explosive stuff? Would you do primarily explosive, with just enough “conventional” training to maintain what you have so far?

  3. I’m guessing this isn’t for beginners, but how much training experience do you need to even start with level 1?

  4. How do you know when you’re ready to progress to the next level (for example, from basic bilateral jumps up to unilateral jumps/bounds/etc.)?

I realize that each one of these is a loaded question, so combined, you could probably write an article (or article series), so if you don’t get to answering these questions, I’ll completely understand and respect that.

Very interesting information Coach.

How should I use depth pushup?

Can I get all the benefits from doing a few reps every other day or should I use them as a primer for my bench press work set?