Thib's Q&A

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
CT, I read eating a piece of fruit about 30 minutes before training actually helps you deplete more glycogen if training first thing in the morning…is this true?[/quote]

Well, Dan Duchaine talked about it in his book ‘‘Bodyopus’’ which was the first book on cyclical ketogenic diets for bodybuilding. He recommended having a piece of fruit right before the carb depletion workout.

To give you a more complete idea. You would go low carbs (30g or less) Monday through Friday night. Friday evening you would perform a carb depletion workout (whole body, high volume) to make sure that every drop of glycogen was sucked out of the muscles, you would then start the carb load imediately after that workout. The logic is that the more depleted you are, the more surcompensation you would have.

NOW, Duchaine, and later Lyle McDonald recommended having a piece of fruit right before the depletion workout so that you would use more easily glycogen for fuel during the depletion workout. The logic is that by friday your body is fat adapted, so you might have trouble using the last bit of glycogen (you would use fat instead) by having some carbs you would ‘‘encourage’’ your body to use glycogen for fuel, thus facilitating emptying the glycogen store.

The moral of this story is that if you are not fat adapted, having the fruit will not help you deplete more glycogen.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
sarah1 wrote:
CT, I read eating a piece of fruit about 30 minutes before training actually helps you deplete more glycogen if training first thing in the morning…is this true?

Well, Dan Duchaine talked about it in his book ‘‘Bodyopus’’ which was the first book on cyclical ketogenic diets for bodybuilding. He recommended having a piece of fruit right before the carb depletion workout.

To give you a more complete idea. You would go low carbs (30g or less) Monday through Friday night.

Friday evening you would perform a carb depletion workout (whole body, high volume) to make sure that every drop of glycogen was sucked out of the muscles, you would then start the carb load imediately after that workout.The logic is that the more depleted you are, the more surcompensation you would have.

NOW, Duchaine, and later Lyle McDonald recommended having a piece of fruit right before the depletion workout so that you would use more easily glycogen for fuel during the depletion workout.

The logic is that by friday your body is fat adapted, so you might have trouble using the last bit of glycogen (you would use fat instead) by having some carbs you would ‘‘encourage’’ your body to use glycogen for fuel, thus facilitating emptying the glycogen store.

The moral of this story is that if you are not fat adapted, having the fruit will not help you deplete more glycogen.[/quote]

Very clear…thanks!

For a man with fat loss as priority would you recommend the workouts in "Destroying fat’’ or “Getting hypermetabolic?”

Coach,

When training yourself and your athletes, how much emphasis do you place on tempo? Does it change for different athletes/your own changing goals etc.?

Thanks and best wishes.

[quote]JJP wrote:
Coach,

When training yourself and your athletes, how much emphasis do you place on tempo? Does it change for different athletes/your own changing goals etc.?

Thanks and best wishes.[/quote]

From part II of my ‘‘Thib system’’ series:

''This goes hand-in-hand with the first principle mentioned. There are basically three ways of executing a movement when it comes to the speed of execution/type of contraction.

  1. Constant tension movement: You never release the contraction of the target muscle group during the execution of the exercise. Basically, the muscle you’re trying to stimulate must be kept maximally flexed for every inch of every rep of every set. Never let it relax, not even between each rep!

The goal of this type of contraction is to prevent blood from entering the muscle during the set. This creates a hypoxic state because oxygen can’t enter the muscle. It also prevents metabolic waste (lactate, hydrogen ions, etc.) from being taken out of the muscle during the set. Both of these factors increase the release of local growth factors like IGF-1, MGF, and growth hormone which will help stimulate growth.

By the way, the use of isometric contractions also falls into this category.

  1. Accelerative concentric, controlled eccentric: In this type of contraction, you’re trying to accelerate during the actual lifting portion of the movement and lower the weight under control. You go to the exercise’s full range of motion, but you briefly pause (around one second) between the stretch position and the following lifting action. This short pause will negate the contribution of the stretch-shortening cycle to the force production.

You see, three things can contribute to producing force when you’re lifting a weight: the actual contraction of the muscle, the activation of the reflex known as the stretch-shortening cycle (also called the myotatic stretch reflex), and the fact that muscle tissue is elastic, much like a rubber band.

When trying to maximize the amount of actual work the muscle itself must perform, you want to minimize the action of both the stretch reflex and the elastic contribution of the muscle’s structure. By doing a simple one-second pause before lifting the weight, you can accomplish that and thus maximize the amount of force that the muscle must produce.

When you’re lifting the weight, try to contract the muscle as fast as you can. This doesn’t mean focusing on lifting the bar as fast as you can. Rather, it means that you should attempt to tense the muscle as hard as possible right from the start of the lifting motion. This will maximize the recruitment of the highly trainable fast-twitch fibers.

Finally, when you lower the weight, do so under control. The eccentric portion of the movement is where most of the muscle damage occurs (micro-tears of the muscle fibers) and is a powerful growth stimulus.

  1. Using the stretch reflex: With this type of lifting, you want to involve the stretch reflex and elastic component of the muscle. Thus, you want to lift the load as fast as possible. This explosive lifting will improve the capacity, over time, of the nervous system to recruit the fast-twitch fibers.

It isn’t effective by itself to stimulate maximum growth in those fibers because you can’t fatigue them sufficiently (the time of contraction and duration of the muscle tension per rep is too low). But by lifting this way on some movements, you’ll become better and better at activating the fast-twitch fibers. When you’re more efficient at doing that, every single other exercise becomes more effective.

So, when do you use each technique?

Every time you do an isolation exercise, use constant tension. Every time! The goal of an isolation exercise is to completely focus the stress on the target muscle. You want a maximal local effect, and to do that you need constant tension. Without constant tension, isolation exercises are pointless. This is actually one of the main reasons why isolation movements get a bad rap. People don’t know how to do them properly, and as a result, they end up not being effective at stimulating growth. But when done using constant tension, they’re very effective at it.

Don’t try to use constant tension lifting with compound movements. Not that it’s impossible, but it’s a waste of time. The goal of a compound movement is to overload several muscles. By nature, you can’t isolate a muscle during a multi-joint exercise, and attempting to do so will make the exercise much less effective than it should be.

With regular compound movements, you want to use the second technique: accelerative lifting, short pause in the stretch position, and a controlled eccentric. This will magnify the hypertrophic effect of the big movements by overloading the involved muscles as much as possible.

Finally, the explosive lifting is best kept for exercises such as the Olympic lifts, plyometrics, and various jumping drills and throws. While these movements won’t directly build mass, they’ll improve your capacity to stimulate growth by improving your neural efficiency to recruit muscle fibers.‘’

I rarely use a specific tempo (unless using a speical technique that requires tempo prescriptions) I simply advise one how to execute each phase of the lift… slowly, under control, fast or explosively.

CT, just after reading Top Ten Post Workout Nutrition Myths…

Number 5 says that having your post workout shake the second your last set is done isn’t ideal. How long do you recommend one should wait to consume their post workout shake after their session is done? :slight_smile:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

I would consider a smaller portion of animal flesh (100-150g), a scoop of whey protein and veggies around 2 hours prior. [/quote]

Coach, when consuming whey with a non-workout meal, do you suggest whey concentrate, isolate, or some sort of blend?

Also, is the meat suggested listed at its raw or cooked weight?

[quote]GoDawgs wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

I would consider a smaller portion of animal flesh (100-150g), a scoop of whey protein and veggies around 2 hours prior.

Coach, when consuming whey with a non-workout meal, do you suggest whey concentrate, isolate, or some sort of blend?

Also, is the meat suggested listed at its raw or cooked weight? [/quote]

A casein and whey concentrate blend. Whey by itself is too fast absorbed.

Hey Coach,

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I could not find it. When performing deadlifts of most variations with a barbell, do you believe it is necessary to switch your grip from set to set if you using a mixed grip?

Thanks for your input.

Thib, in a fat-loss phase using a low carb or keto diet approach, you recommend the following for post-workout:
0.3g of protein
0.2g of glutamine (work up gradually to that amount)
0.1g of glycine (work up very gradually to that amount)

If wanting to take something during the workout as well, what do you prefer and at what amounts? (besides the obvious bcaa’s)
Would 2 scoops of protein with 20g of glutamine like you mentioned in an earlier post be fine? Or is there an actual protocol (like above) you follow usually?
thanks

Coach,
I’m lifting in my first weightlifting competition this Sunday, wanted to know if you had any diet advice for the weekend of and during the competition (I’m light so weight isn’t an issue).

Normally I have 20g whey pre-workout, 1/2 serving Surge during, 1/2 serving right after, and 1/2 serving 45 mins after that. Should I do anything different during the competition?
Thanks.

CT
i just wanted to say thanks for all the free articles you write on this site. Pendulum Bodybuilding is one of the first things i read on here and since following it for the last 8 weeks have had huge gains. So, thank you very much.

[quote]tmsnow10 wrote:
Coach,
I’m lifting in my first weightlifting competition this Sunday, wanted to know if you had any diet advice for the weekend of and during the competition (I’m light so weight isn’t an issue).

Normally I have 20g whey pre-workout, 1/2 serving Surge during, 1/2 serving right after, and 1/2 serving 45 mins after that. Should I do anything different during the competition?
Thanks.[/quote]

My recommendation is to do things as close to what you normally do. Do not try to pull off some special technique that might give you a 2% boost, but could also lead to a decrease in performance of 10%! You never know how your body will react to something until you try it out, and a competition is a bad time to try something new. Stick to your routine.

[quote]Italiano wrote:
Thib, in a fat-loss phase using a low carb or keto diet approach, you recommend the following for post-workout:
0.3g of protein
0.2g of glutamine (work up gradually to that amount)
0.1g of glycine (work up very gradually to that amount)

If wanting to take something during the workout as well, what do you prefer and at what amounts? (besides the obvious bcaa’s)
Would 2 scoops of protein with 20g of glutamine like you mentioned in an earlier post be fine? Or is there an actual protocol (like above) you follow usually?
thanks[/quote]

1/2 scoop whey isolate
0.1 to 0.2g of BCAA/pound
0.1g of glutamine/pound

Thib,

Have a question regarding your Destroying Fat article and diet. With the heavy days, lactate days and aerobic work, do you recommend a caloric deficit as well for fat loss? Or should we keep our daily calorie input at a maintenance level and just let the lifting/exercise do the work? Thank you very much.

Coach,

Thanks for all the help so far-it’s really appreciated.

I read your protocol for decreasing your subscap measurement-would a higher level in the lower back be related to the same processes-insulin etc. My subscap. and lower back seem to be higher whereas everything else is low-under 10% body fat overall.

Thanks again and best wishes

Coach,
Would drinking 3 to 4 cups a day of green tea act as diuretic due to the amount of caffeine in it?
And does cooking a red meat rare alter the nutritional value of it?
Cheers

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Italiano wrote:
Thib, in a fat-loss phase using a low carb or keto diet approach, you recommend the following for post-workout:
0.3g of protein
0.2g of glutamine (work up gradually to that amount)
0.1g of glycine (work up very gradually to that amount)

If wanting to take something during the workout as well, what do you prefer and at what amounts? (besides the obvious bcaa’s)
Would 2 scoops of protein with 20g of glutamine like you mentioned in an earlier post be fine? Or is there an actual protocol (like above) you follow usually?
thanks

1/2 scoop whey isolate
0.1 to 0.2g of BCAA/pound
0.1g of glutamine/pound[/quote]

Thanks alot Thib! If using the “Regressive Ketogenic Diet”, and daily calories along with macros for each of the 6 meals are figured out. Is it fine to add both of these formulas on workout days? Or would you need to decrease the daily calories on those days?
thanks again

Thib,

Do you personally supplement with a vitamin D product on a daily basis. If so, I’d be curious as to what dosage you like to shoot for when you take it.

Coach,

The dieting outline you posted in Professor X’s thread, could that be used by a strength athlete who is not as big as the Professor, but wants to lean up and is somewhat ectomorphic? Well use to be ectomorphic.