if doing concentric only is good for recovery why wouldn’t you want to break the body down more and then focus on recovery, i was wondering if he had seen how far you could take it.
Then you had your 2 cents for me asking a question but all the questions on here are repeated 100 times. the only difference was mine were in quick succession.
i don’t quite think your understanding what the point of this program
you want to do as much work as you can without exceeding your recovery abilities and once you exceed them, you’ll swiftly get run down, get smaller and get weaker
as you progress through the weeks you also want to add more total work which you do in the 3 week cycles by increasing the number of sets you do and then each cycle by increasing the wt and restarting
now your still negative contractions for each set you do so you haven’t eliminated them completely but you don’t want to emphasise
if you really want to try this out then i suggest you do mondays workout from week 3 but add in some your eccentrics stuff then repeat the workout the next day without the eccentrics, just normal reps…use the wt ct suggested and do each and every set including the assistance stuff…then you’ll see why they can’t be included in this program
CT, I know you don’t like to answer my questions. But I just wanted to give you an information.
I was doing your HP mass training. Suddenly a trainer of my gym came to me and said that I was doing rubbish. He told me to do a common split routine. I told him that I will continue with your Hp mass program for 2 months. If I don’t see any improvement in my physique then I will change into the split routine.
Coach Thibs and others.Which one of the shoulder db press variations hit the mid delt the most?
For example there are pronated grip, neutral grip,supinated grip.
Then there are rotations like from neutral to pronated,from pronated to neutral, from neutral to supinated.
Which one emphasasis the mid delt the most?
Christian, how can I add more fatigue work for biceps?
I did as instructed in the video, de-emphasized the eccentric, used moderate volume (excluding the previus bltiz workout that was a little bit too fatiguing and I felt sore for 2 days) but after 1 day I feel like I want to do them again. I did the hammer curls with iso-hold (and 1 set of constant tension hammer curls at the end) and the 5-5-5 preacher technique (wll more than 5).
Would max rep work do it on the long term? What’s your opinion?
CT,
I’m doing your HP Mass program and I’m in the middle of week 3. I just got my first pair of weightlifting shoes for my olympic lifting I’m doing. Up until now I’ve just been using Nike Free’s for all my lifting. Today I used the weightlifting shoes for snatch, squat and deads and then took them off and put on my regular shoes for bench.
My question is - Would you recommend I use the weightlifting shoes from now on or should I stick with my regular shoes that I’ve been using until I finish the 6 weeks and then switch? Not sure if it changes the form of squats and deads too much (or even the MTW) or if it even matters…
Thanks
[quote]swans05 wrote:
i don’t quite think your understanding what the point of this program
you want to do as much work as you can without exceeding your recovery abilities and once you exceed them, you’ll swiftly get run down, get smaller and get weaker
as you progress through the weeks you also want to add more total work which you do in the 3 week cycles by increasing the number of sets you do and then each cycle by increasing the wt and restarting
now your still negative contractions for each set you do so you haven’t eliminated them completely but you don’t want to emphasise
if you really want to try this out then i suggest you do mondays workout from week 3 but add in some your eccentrics stuff then repeat the workout the next day without the eccentrics, just normal reps…use the wt ct suggested and do each and every set including the assistance stuff…then you’ll see why they can’t be included in this program[/quote]
i understand it perfectly that is a good idea i didnt mean full on eccentrics i meant do the normal work out but with like a 2 to 3 second eccentrics.
I do like warm up sets then around 10 work sets per muscle group and i must not have the right weights to work with cause the second workout is always with less weight so thats why i was wondering if u could do more eccentric one day and a full focus on concentrics for recovery and to still get the same intensity
[quote]never_got_ripped wrote:
CT, I know you don’t like to answer my questions. But I just wanted to give you an information.
I was doing your HP mass training. Suddenly a trainer of my gym came to me and said that I was doing rubbish. He told me to do a common split routine. I told him that I will continue with your Hp mass program for 2 months. If I don’t see any improvement in my physique then I will change into the split routine. [/quote]
Huh? It only tells us that the trainer in question - like a lot of other trainers - is biased and screams “Wiiitch!” or “Blashpemy, the Earth is the center of the universe!” if something doesn’t seem to fit into their preconceived ideas of what training should “look like”. Wouldn’t blame him, though. It’s all very new to most of us anyway. But then again, is it really that controversial to train pushing muscles together? Not trying to be a fanboy, and I’m not trying to attack you either - the point is just that you shouldn’t let someone tell you what you should or shouldn’t do. By all means seek out experienced and knowledgeable individuals (it’s worth gold!), but don’t just swallow everything that is put in front of you. Compare. Try it out. Re-assess. There are more ways to skin a cat. However, if the HPM protocol doesn’t work for you, then you can’t blame the routine. Hope you haven’t subconsciously told yourself already that it’s not gonna work. Don’t you just feel the urge to prove that trainer wrong?! 
Now, this was a waste of thread space.
you use the same for all 3 weeks
so for your 5 lifts, find your 3 rep m,ax then calculate 87.5% of that for upper body exercises and 80% of it for lower body exercises
that’s your max training weight, your top weight, and work back from there to set 1
CT, say I’m ramping and I feel weak, how should I adjust?
Example, I ramp up my first exercise, I typically hit 185, but I’m grinding at 175. I drop to 155, and it still feels heavy.
CT and everyone, if im goin to do neural charge workout and eccentric less training all in the same day, what should i do first? AM: NC and PM: eccentric less? or the other way around?
[quote]swans05 wrote:
you use the same for all 3 weeks
so for your 5 lifts, find your 3 rep m,ax then calculate 87.5% of that for upper body exercises and 80% of it for lower body exercises
that’s your max training weight, your top weight, and work back from there to set 1[/quote]
me and my brother have done up2 15 work sets per exercise lol. But our bodies are starting to tolerate it, thibs said volume right
im just used to doing intense workouts, i get stared at alot and i think its cause of my intensity and my clothes are always soaked so yeh i didnt like only 5 work sets that thibs says.
I reckon he pulled 85.7% out of thin air jst as a base because he was sick of getting asked questions.
[quote]ferox wrote:
CT, say I’m ramping and I feel weak, how should I adjust?
Example, I ramp up my first exercise, I typically hit 185, but I’m grinding at 175. I drop to 155, and it still feels heavy.[/quote]
i noticed this too and it was due to the grinding i assume because grinding is said to be good for grown somwtimes and only ever as a last set then the exercise is terminated. I have done it a couple times and it was like my body said “well you ground the piss out of that so it must have been you big finale” then i had no more strength for that lift.
Are there any issues that people with the condition of hyper mobility should be aware of?
Do you have any experience with athletes with this condition?
I’ve benefited a lot with your Christians advice (as I posted in the other thread), and not grinding, and Christians way of performing reps helps my joints. How-ever the heavy press takes its toll on my wrists a lot.
I really have troubles stabilising my hips, and as such I see an issue in not transferring enough power in the squat. And it seems to be a widespread issue all-round.
I’ve never been into the whole, “stabilise your core standing on this wobbly-thing”, kinda thing, and that is all the advice I can find.
One more thing . CT I thank you for the diet plan you gave earlier, I will follow that.
Thanks
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Eazy wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Eazy wrote:
CT, with the HPMass Program, any chance you could outline a carb cycle suggestion for someone looking to add mass much like you did for the introduction to the Anaconda Protocol?
I know it obviously depends on body type, how well you respond to carbs, activity level, etc. But assuming we are using either the lean mass or maximum mass gain protocol you already outlined, in your opinion where should we start for the rest of the day?[/quote]
With a TRADITIONAL diet (eating many smaller meals throughout the day)… which is NOT what I’m doing … it would look something like this…
Assuming an AM workout…
BREAKFAST
50-100g of carbs (half from fruits, half from starches)
40-60g of easily digested protein (something like 4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs + 1 scoop of protein)
PERI-WORKOUT PROTOCOL
FIRST SOLID MEAL POST-WORKOUT (ROUGHLY 60-90 MINUTES POST)
40-60g of “medium speed” solid protein (fish, chicken or turkey)
50-100g of carbs with a moderately high glycemic index (rice, rice cakes, carrots, yams, potatoes…)
NO VEGGIES
SUPPER
40-60g of “slow speed” solid protein (red meat)
Lots of green veggies
EVENING SNACK
40-60g of slow speed protein, can be a mix of solid and shake (e.g. cottage cheese with low-carbs Metabolic Drive)
Lot of green veggies
25-30g Almonds
The amount of carbs would be regulated by the volume of the workout and how you look/feel (flat, full)[/quote]
CT, what would change assuming a 5:00p.m workout start? Just keep carbs at first two meals and then whatever carbs with the protocol? [/quote]
BREAKFAST
50-100g of carbs (half from fruits, half from starches)
40-60g of easily digested protein (something like 4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs + 1 scoop of protein)
LUNCH
40-60g of “slow speed” solid protein (red meat)
Lots of green veggies
PERI-WORKOUT PROTOCOL
FIRST SOLID MEAL POST-WORKOUT (ROUGHLY 60-90 MINUTES POST)
40-60g of “medium speed” solid protein (fish, chicken or turkey)
50-100g of carbs with a moderately high glycemic index (rice, rice cakes, carrots, yams, potatoes…)
NO VEGGIES
EVENING SNACK
40-60g of slow speed protein, can be a mix of solid and shake (e.g. cottage cheese with low-carbs Metabolic Drive)
Lot of green veggies
25-30g Almonds [/quote]
Hey Coach, peri workout plans aside, would it be beneficial to follow the same nutritional/meal approach for a whole body sled work day? (The sled work being the only workout of that day.)
How about neural charge workouts? Is it over shooting with the carbs? Im looking to build mass.
Thank You.
Thib,
I understand (from your teachings) that back (lats) and biceps have in common fatigue loading, isometrics, de-emphasized eccentric, added volume (via eccentric-less).
What are the differances (regarding training) between the two?
Thibs, you mentioned in the livespill that you take 3g d-aspartic acid in the am and pm. Just curious as to what sort of results you have seen from this. If you have had any blood work done to see if it has boosted free testosterone. And lastly, is it a safe supplement in your mind? (would you recommend it to anyone and if so what age would one have to be before considering it?)
Hi coach. I’m interesting to advise me about a client who is ectomorph, lean, lightweight guy and also parent with full-time job. What your basics nutritional and supplementation guidelines about him if he sleeps 5-6 hours every night because of the babies and many times he must get up in the middle of the night to hug and care the babies?
He is avdanced lifter, he trains 3 hours per week with weights and he wants to be healthy. His lifestyle, free time and psycology are different right now because he is a parent of 2 babies (< 2 years old). Thanks a lot.
[quote]Liam M wrote:
[quote]swans05 wrote:
you use the same for all 3 weeks
so for your 5 lifts, find your 3 rep m,ax then calculate 87.5% of that for upper body exercises and 80% of it for lower body exercises
that’s your max training weight, your top weight, and work back from there to set 1[/quote]
me and my brother have done up2 15 work sets per exercise lol. But our bodies are starting to tolerate it, thibs said volume right
im just used to doing intense workouts, i get stared at alot and i think its cause of my intensity and my clothes are always soaked so yeh i didnt like only 5 work sets that thibs says.
I reckon he pulled 85.7% out of thin air jst as a base because he was sick of getting asked questions.[/quote]
87.5% of your 3rm (92%) is 80.5% of your 1 rm so it agrees with what he says that you wanna do a lot of volume at 80% ish
you just gotta hold back on the intensity, this is a volume program
do mike mentzer if you want intensity