Thibs New Training Questions #4

Hey CT,

It’s been so cool to watch not only the transformation of Darryl over the last few months but also the recognition and props you guys have been getting from a lot of other sites. Especially for being the smallest guy on the biggest stage in bodybuilding, Darryl looked tremendous.

This is sort of a hypothetical question, but if there was one up-and-coming pro you could work with to improve in similarly significant ways, who would you like for it?

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]get-it-done wrote:
CT, given your experience playing rugby and training athletes, are there any movements you feel should be focused on for rugby performance? My programming currently focuses on a lot of front squats, deadlifts, power cleans, power upright rows and weighted chinups/pullups.

I’ve wondered about good mornings, as the horizontal torso position is something pretty standard in rucks and scrums, but I also don’t think I’ve ever seen you suggest them.

For any position-specific concerns, I play 12 this year, but am occasionally called on for 6 or 7.

Thanks

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The best investment for you would be to buy a prowler (www.elitefts.com)… prowler pushes (short bursts with heavy weights) is the best exercise you can add to your program. Since there is no eccentric, you can do these on a daily basis.[/quote]

OK so what if no Prowler - could you just push your car for short bursts? Put it in neutral and push?

CT, sorry to bother you again. Can i do nervous activation workouts in my home with a barbell. For example: Upright rows followed by pushups followed by snatch. What do you think ?

[quote]never_got_ripped wrote:
CT, sorry to bother you again. Can i do nervous activation workouts in my home with a barbell. For example: Upright rows followed by pushups followed by snatch. What do you think ?[/quote]

this is something that CT posted in one of his other forums. its a list of good exercises to choose from when trying to formulate a nueral charge workout…

BODYWEIGHT UPPER

  • Incline plyo push-ups
  • Plyo push up
  • Close grip incline plyo push-ups
  • Close-grip plyo push ups
  • Diamond incline plyo push-ups
  • Diamond plyo push ups
  • Depth push-ups
  • Side-to-side plyo push ups
  • Whole body push-up projection

BODYWEIGHT LOWER

  • Vertical jump reset
  • Vertical jump series
  • Frog jump
  • Box jump
  • Depth jump for height
  • Depth jump for length
  • Broad jump reset
  • Broad jump series
  • Bulgarian squat jump
  • Split squat jump
  • Stair climb jump
  • Side-to-side hockey jumps
  • Side-to-side tuck jump
  • Tuck jump
  • Jump lunges
  • Ankle jumps
  • Speed lunges

MEDICINE BALL

  • Chest throw kneeling
  • Chest throw with forward lunge
  • Soccer throw
  • Medicine ball slam
  • Throw up â?? catch â?? and slam
  • Snatch throw
  • Push press throw

ELASTIC BANDS

  • Speed press
  • Speed press alternated
  • Speed chest press
  • Speed chest press alternated
  • Speed lat pulldown
  • Speed pulldown alternated
  • Speed rowing
  • Speed rowing alternated
  • Speed curl
  • Speed curl alternated
  • Speed triceps extension
  • Speed triceps extension alternated
  • Push-ups with added band
  • Pull-through and swing

BLAST STRAPS

  • Push up
  • Rowing
  • Rear delts
  • Straight-arms to hips (lats)
  • Face pull
  • Curl
  • Triceps extension
  • External rotation

BARBELL

  • Power clean
  • Push press
  • Power clean and push press
  • Power snatch
  • Snatch jump
  • Clean jump
  • Snatch high pull
  • Clean high pull
  • Speed squat

DB

  • DB swing
  • 1-arm DB clean and press
  • 1-arm DB snatch
  • DB jump squat
  • DB jump lunges

PROWLER/SLED

  • Pushing
  • Dragging backwards
  • Pull-through
  • Front raise
  • Chest press
  • Rear delts high

[quote]dayne_lathrop wrote:

[quote]never_got_ripped wrote:
CT, sorry to bother you again. Can i do nervous activation workouts in my home with a barbell. For example: Upright rows followed by pushups followed by snatch. What do you think ?[/quote]

this is something that CT posted in one of his other forums. its a list of good exercises to choose from when trying to formulate a nueral charge workout…

[/quote]

Thanks !

[quote]Mutsanah wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]get-it-done wrote:
CT, given your experience playing rugby and training athletes, are there any movements you feel should be focused on for rugby performance? My programming currently focuses on a lot of front squats, deadlifts, power cleans, power upright rows and weighted chinups/pullups.

I’ve wondered about good mornings, as the horizontal torso position is something pretty standard in rucks and scrums, but I also don’t think I’ve ever seen you suggest them.

For any position-specific concerns, I play 12 this year, but am occasionally called on for 6 or 7.

Thanks

[/quote]

The best investment for you would be to buy a prowler (www.elitefts.com)… prowler pushes (short bursts with heavy weights) is the best exercise you can add to your program. Since there is no eccentric, you can do these on a daily basis.[/quote]

OK so what if no Prowler - could you just push your car for short bursts? Put it in neutral and push?[/quote]

I think the results would be the same, but you better have someone in the driver’s seat to stop the vehicle once your sprint is done!

CT, I am annoying you again. In your fat loss articles you advocated a low carb approach to get ripped. But daryl is eating chicken and “RICE” . Does it mean I can eat carbs while following your neural charge workouts?

[quote]never_got_ripped wrote:
CT, I am annoying you again. In your fat loss articles you advocated a low carb approach to get ripped. But daryl is eating chicken and “RICE” . Does it mean I can eat carbs while following your neural charge workouts?
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How can CT answer this question if he has no idea how your body reacts to carbs or other nutrients, and also has no idea how you are training and what not. This is why very individualized or very broad question goes unanswered most of the time; it would take forever for him to answer all of these types of questions. There are alot of factors that play into how many carbs you should ingest. Darryl is one HUGE and lean guy… he can afford to eat chicken and “RICE” because he is utilizing these nutrients along with the protocol to help facilitate his muscle growth from working out 3 TIMES A DAY. this requires alot of energy and proper nutrients.

also, his glycogen stores are probably much more tolerant to higher amounts of carbs because of how much muscle he has. so even though he might eat 200 carbs one day, that is STILL low enough carbs to be considered “dieting” in his case because he is such a big guy, yet still enough to help recover and further muscle growth.

also… what do nueral charge workouts have to do with your carb intake?? if a nueral charge workout isnt even breaking down enough muscle tissue to require PRE AND DURING WORKOUT NUTRIENTS, i doubt it would could serve justification to you requiring you to eat more carbs. just take Power Drive after your nueral charge workout.

i know i am not CT and am not trying to take over his mojo or something, i just want to give you my personal opinion because i doubt CT will ever have the time to explain in full detail, answers to the type of questions you are asking.

hope this helps some man, and good luck with everything.

Coach CT, thanks for a summer of great information, and I look forward to reading more of your information as well as all the other authors on this site. It’s hard to believe we are coming up on 1 year (November 25th) since you released the Anaconda Protocol to the T-Nation members

Rich

CT, I remembered in one article (cant remmeber which one), u mentioned that while olympic lifts should be done in the lower rep range, their dumb bell counterpart can be done in the 6 to 8 rep ranges, do u still go by this rule now?

Personal some movements like DB snatch or DB cleans I tend to do them in reps of 3 but movements like high pull or jerks with DB tend to work for me in the 6 to 8 rep range in the sense that my speed still remain the same after 6 reps.

btw, I have trying to get a workout in almost everyday as what u have advocated in this forum. For example, for one week i did weighted eccentrcless dips (70% load) for 5 days, 1 day of vertical pulling and then 1 day of vertical pushing day with weighted dips as main workout. I used a wave loading approach in sets of 3 (3 cycles of 40kg x 3, 42.5kg x 3, 45kg (85% load)x 3). what I found is that I was able maintain my form for more sets without fatigue setting in and I dun feel drained at all at the end of the dipping workout. I could even progress to a fourth cycle by the next week (thats a 30% increase in volume).

I beleieve this is due to the high frequency of encentricless training that increase my work capacity. so thanks for all the information u have provided. It really has helped a lot.

Posting just to subscribe.

[quote]jhng wrote:
CT, I remembered in one article (cant remmeber which one), u mentioned that while olympic lifts should be done in the lower rep range, their dumb bell counterpart can be done in the 6 to 8 rep ranges, do u still go by this rule now?

Personal some movements like DB snatch or DB cleans I tend to do them in reps of 3 but movements like high pull or jerks with DB tend to work for me in the 6 to 8 rep range in the sense that my speed still remain the same after 6 reps.

btw, I have trying to get a workout in almost everyday as what u have advocated in this forum. For example, for one week i did weighted eccentrcless dips (70% load) for 5 days, 1 day of vertical pulling and then 1 day of vertical pushing day with weighted dips as main workout. I used a wave loading approach in sets of 3 (3 cycles of 40kg x 3, 42.5kg x 3, 45kg (85% load)x 3). what I found is that I was able maintain my form for more sets without fatigue setting in and I dun feel drained at all at the end of the dipping workout. I could even progress to a fourth cycle by the next week (thats a 30% increase in volume).

I beleieve this is due to the high frequency of encentricless training that increase my work capacity. so thanks for all the information u have provided. It really has helped a lot.

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Glad that I have helped you!

Yes, I still think that one-arm DB olympic lifts can be done for sets of up to 6-8 reps. I still prefer to use lower reps myself, but that is more of a personal choice than a one based on methodology.

[quote]never_got_ripped wrote:
CT, I am annoying you again. In your fat loss articles you advocated a low carb approach to get ripped. But daryl is eating chicken and “RICE” . Does it mean I can eat carbs while following your neural charge workouts?
[/quote]

  1. Daryl has a very fast metabolism. 10 weeks prior to the contest he was already striated with very little body fat to lose AND was still eating one fast-food meal per day prior to coming to us. In the past he never dieted for more than 4 weeks to get ready for a contest. The guy is basically under 8% body fat year round without trying. What applies to him doesn’t necessarily apply to you.

  2. Daryl was training 3 TIMES PER DAY. He needs the fuel.

CT, What do you think of the Grease The Groove concept? I have used it a few times, mixed results but it is only because of my nature to get too intense with things and take the exercises to failure everytime. Hard to stop. But when I have been able to curb that, it seems like a good way to blast a muscle. What is your take on GTG methods?

CT,

I’ve incorporated the Dead Stop Lateral and Front Raise superset that you posted in the Livespill into my routine and I’m loving the results. However, I’ve come to realize that with all the pressing I’m doing now, perhaps my front delts don’t need that extra stimulation.

Is there a way to superset the lateral raises with something similar for rear delts? I can’t seem to conceptualize a dead stop rear delt raise, unless its while I’m seated on a bench and resting the dumbbells on the floor each rep.

Thanks for all the information too, the amount of progress I’ve been making in strength and size with the stuff you are giving us is great, and I really appreciate the help.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]get-it-done wrote:
CT, given your experience playing rugby and training athletes, are there any movements you feel should be focused on for rugby performance? My programming currently focuses on a lot of front squats, deadlifts, power cleans, power upright rows and weighted chinups/pullups.

I’ve wondered about good mornings, as the horizontal torso position is something pretty standard in rucks and scrums, but I also don’t think I’ve ever seen you suggest them.

For any position-specific concerns, I play 12 this year, but am occasionally called on for 6 or 7.

Thanks

[/quote]

The best investment for you would be to buy a prowler (www.elitefts.com)… prowler pushes (short bursts with heavy weights) is the best exercise you can add to your program. Since there is no eccentric, you can do these on a daily basis.[/quote]

Thanks for your response. I made a sled this summer and a prowler is next on the agenda.

I’m internet autistic, which stops me from figuring out how to reply to the post I wanted. In regards to Thibs post about sled drags. Is there another post with more details about speed, loading, set numbers and rest in between pushes. I was also wondering if he does full sled workouts for the legs, or if you use the sled as an exercise in your leg workout.

CT, I can understand from your reactions that you are really annoyed with me. Actually I have been training for 5 years . Still I am not big and ripped. whenever I step on stage, I get laughed out by others as if I don’t belong to this sport of bodybuilding. That’s why I try to get all informations I can about bodybuilding. It doesn’t matter what happens I will remain natural at least for a few more years to see if I can really change my physique.

I really thank you for the answers you have given me. In fact you are the only world famous bodybuilding coach that I have personally talked to and I have to say that it was a thrilling experience. In spite of your busy schedule you managed to find time to answer the bogus questions that I asked. Thanks a lot for that.

  Just two last questions: 1)Which one of your articles is your personal favourite?
                           2)Don't you think Daryl's training and diet is almost
                             similar to John Berardi's G-flux i.e. training more and 
                             eating more.

Okay, coach. Sorry about the last one (you already metioned that more volume and eccentric-less would do it).And by-the-way thanks for the long post (high-performance muscles, assistants and everything).

But I have some new questions on your teachings:

I noticed that you used a lot of max effort and repeated eoffort stuff in the I,Bodybuilder program, but I see that you changed your methods radically. I was just wanting to see if you’d rather keep the IBB experience or would you change it completly ??

also how was your dieting and supplimentation then and how is it now??

[quote]Gaby 2700 wrote:
Okay, coach. Sorry about the last one (you already metioned that more volume and eccentric-less would do it).And by-the-way thanks for the long post (high-performance muscles, assistants and everything).

But I have some new questions on your teachings:

I noticed that you used a lot of max effort and repeated eoffort stuff in the I,Bodybuilder program, but I see that you changed your methods radically. I was just wanting to see if you’d rather keep the IBB experience or would you change it completly ??

also how was your dieting and supplimentation then and how is it now??[/quote]

I didn’t change them. You cannot judge what I am doing by looking at 2-3 videos from he Training Lab… they represent roughly 3 workouts out of 125 that we did.

Understand that the guys did 3 workouts per day. They did a lot of heavy lifting in the 3-5 reps range in the morning session; but since these have been documented a lot in the past we decided to show the other stuff we are doing (circuits, sled work, neural charge, etc.) to complement the heavy lifting.