Thibs New Training Questions #4

Somewhere in one of your videos you said you should “shrug your shoulders when benching for strength.” I always thought you wanted to tuck your shoulder blades for a more solid and stable base.

I was wondering if you could elaborate on this. Are both methods correct and safe and possess different advantages?

[quote]Italiano wrote:
Thibs, you’ve posted the best bang for your buck websites in the past for buying bars, racks and equipment for home gyms. Do you know any such sites that offer good deals on olympic plates? I’m having a difficult time finding any decent deals.

Thanks for any help[/quote]

Try asking around for people in charge at high school or college weight rooms, I was able to be a barbell and cheap plates this way.

[quote]Italiano wrote:
Thibs, you’ve posted the best bang for your buck websites in the past for buying bars, racks and equipment for home gyms. Do you know any such sites that offer good deals on olympic plates? I’m having a difficult time finding any decent deals.

Thanks for any help[/quote]

Can you post this link please? I ordered a texas power bar yesterday! Never did get any racks, something i always wanted.

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
Thib, just some questions about the setup:

1_ Wouldn’t be better if we do MONDAY upper body (secondary lower) and TUESDAY lower body (secondary upper). It seems overkill to do back to back days with the same moves ?

2_ What exactly is the Neural Charge Training ?? I haven’t seen it explained anywhere ?

thx[/quote]

Could you PLEASE actually spend 5 minutes looking for the answers? Both of these have been answered multiple times. Hint: start with the livespills.[/quote]

Why don’t you answer my questions then smartass. I don’t have access to the videos.

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
Thib, just some questions about the setup:

1_ Wouldn’t be better if we do MONDAY upper body (secondary lower) and TUESDAY lower body (secondary upper). It seems overkill to do back to back days with the same moves ?

2_ What exactly is the Neural Charge Training ?? I haven’t seen it explained anywhere ?

thx[/quote]

Could you PLEASE actually spend 5 minutes looking for the answers? Both of these have been answered multiple times. Hint: start with the livespills.[/quote]

Why don’t you answer my questions then smartass. I don’t have access to the videos.
[/quote]

Because in the time it has taken you to post these two questions you could have easily found the answers. And I said livespills, not the videos. Do your own legwork.

EDIT: And the neural charge workouts have been explained in many places, including THIS THREAD.

I read the livespills and found nothing. am I supposed to start digging thru 29 pages. dont reply if u dont want to help

God, you really are useless.

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/31

  2. LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

  3. http://www.T-Nation.com/article-comments/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.

CT,
I’m familiar with some of your works but yet new to the forum and chatting. I had surgery 6 days ago to repaira ruptured patellar tendon (football injury) While rehab, proper movement, etc need to be reestablished what do you reccomend I do in regards to training the rest of my body? I have a crazy fast metabolizm and i’ll melt away. Truly frusting. Thanks for you time.

[quote]BiP wrote:
God, you really are useless.

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/31

  2. LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

  3. http://www.T-Nation.com/article-comments/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.[/quote]

this is more work than help. I still couldn’t find my answers. thanks for nothing.

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:
God, you really are useless.

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/31

  2. LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

  3. http://www.T-Nation.com/article-comments/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.[/quote]

this is more work than help. I still couldn’t find my answers. thanks for nothing.
[/quote]

Are you f%#$@%!@$ kidding me?! 1) Is ALL about neural charge workouts, 2) gives you sample exercises and a short explanation within the first five links and 3) gives you CT’s reasons for concentrated loading. What else do you want? A cookie?!

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:
God, you really are useless.

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/31

  2. LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

  3. http://www.T-Nation.com/article-comments/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.[/quote]

this is more work than help. I still couldn’t find my answers. thanks for nothing.
[/quote]

Are you f%#$@%!@$ kidding me?! 1) Is ALL about neural charge workouts, 2) gives you sample exercises and a short explanation within the first five links and 3) gives you CT’s reasons for concentrated loading. What else do you want? A cookie?![/quote]

What about my first question ?

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:
God, you really are useless.

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/31

  2. LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

  3. http://www.T-Nation.com/article-comments/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.[/quote]

this is more work than help. I still couldn’t find my answers. thanks for nothing.
[/quote]

Are you f%#$@%!@$ kidding me?! 1) Is ALL about neural charge workouts, 2) gives you sample exercises and a short explanation within the first five links and 3) gives you CT’s reasons for concentrated loading. What else do you want? A cookie?![/quote]

What about my first question ?[/quote]

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/...like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.

Ronald, I generally avoid E-arguments and don’t like to waste my time. But holy shit how ungrateful, pathetic and lazy can you be?

Wow…and BiP kudos to you for actually spending the time to answer his BS.

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:
God, you really are useless.

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/31

  2. LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

  3. http://www.T-Nation.com/article-comments/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.[/quote]

this is more work than help. I still couldn’t find my answers. thanks for nothing.
[/quote]

Are you f%#$@%!@$ kidding me?! 1) Is ALL about neural charge workouts, 2) gives you sample exercises and a short explanation within the first five links and 3) gives you CT’s reasons for concentrated loading. What else do you want? A cookie?![/quote]

What about my first question ?[/quote]

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/...like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.[/quote]

nothing is coming up with control f. And all over the place where ??

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:
God, you really are useless.

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/31

  2. LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

  3. http://www.T-Nation.com/article-comments/look_like_a_bodybuilder_perform_like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.[/quote]

this is more work than help. I still couldn’t find my answers. thanks for nothing.
[/quote]

Are you f%#$@%!@$ kidding me?! 1) Is ALL about neural charge workouts, 2) gives you sample exercises and a short explanation within the first five links and 3) gives you CT’s reasons for concentrated loading. What else do you want? A cookie?![/quote]

What about my first question ?[/quote]

  1. http://www.T-Nation.com/...like_an_athlete CTRL+F “concentrated loading”

Plus all the information about “concentrated loading” regarding Daryl Gee’s training all over the place.[/quote]

nothing is coming up with control f. And all over the place where ??[/quote]

Check my original post with the link, the one I copied got messed up. If you search for “concentrated” (ctrl+f on windows, cmd+f on mac) it will find the lines containing it, which are the ones with the answers.

All over the place as in this thread, the training lab livespills and possibly other threads.

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Ronald, I generally avoid E-arguments and don’t like to waste my time. But holy shit how ungrateful, pathetic and lazy can you be?

Wow…and BiP kudos to you for actually spending the time to answer his BS. [/quote]

Would you believe me if I told you I actually spend two hours a week with someone much, much lazier than that? At least I get paid for that…

[quote]toots27mkc wrote:
Are sore muscles more receptive to insulin?[/quote]

Muscles that were trained earlier during the day. BUT if too much eccentric loading was used, training can actually make the muscles LESS sensitive to insulin. Eccentric-less, explosive and heavy work without emphasis on eccentrics increases insulin sensitivity the most.

Since soreness is more often due to eccentric loading,then no, sore muscles are not more sensitive to insulin… they are likely LESS sensitive.

[quote]Liam M wrote:
So does this mean we should do decline bench and lower body prowler on our lat/bicep day?
Also do you know which muscle make up phasic or tonic works better with isolation exercises and which work better with big compounds?[/quote]

I would say that from experience tonic muscles respond better to isolation. Mostly because compound work rarely involve one type of muscle and I prefer to use higher reps only with isolation exercises (too draining for the nervous system done on compounds) which is the type of rep that tonic muscles respond best to.

[quote]Italiano wrote:
Thibs, you’ve posted the best bang for your buck websites in the past for buying bars, racks and equipment for home gyms. Do you know any such sites that offer good deals on olympic plates? I’m having a difficult time finding any decent deals.

Thanks for any help[/quote]

Glenn Pendlay who answers questions on my forum sells very inexpensive training bumper plates:

http://www.pendlay.com/Pendlay-Econ-V2-Bumper-Plates_c_217.html

[quote]ferox wrote:
Somewhere in one of your videos you said you should “shrug your shoulders when benching for strength.” I always thought you wanted to tuck your shoulder blades for a more solid and stable base.

I was wondering if you could elaborate on this. Are both methods correct and safe and possess different advantages?[/quote]

I will film a video on this… Here is a quick explanation:

For as long as I can remember every time I started to get really strong on the bench press, my shoulder started hurting. I did everything right, but it still ended up hurting. Until I adopted a benching technique that is almost the polar opposite of what is taught in powerlifting circles.

And this is not a dig at the top powerlifters. But I learned that what is applied to equipped powerlifting technique, training and exercise selection-wise is not always adapted to raw lifting.

In powerlifting you are taught to depress and retract the scapula and spread the lats when benching. This technique takes advantage of the bench shirt, and the bench shirt itself stabilized the shoulder joint, decreasing the risk of injury.

But I found that this technique didn’t help me avoid shoulder issues.

What did help is the technique I developed which consists of powerfully contracting (shrugging) the traps when setting up to bench and maintaining that contraction during the whole set. This action stabilized the shoulders A LOT. This helped me to keep my shoulders healthy, even though I’m at my strongest ever, and boosted my bench almost instantly. It did the same with my training partner Nick and all who I’ve taught it to.

The technique is simple:

  • Set-up on the bench… the initial set-up is much like a regular powerlifting bench.
  • Grab the bar and lift your butt in the air. There should be as little of “you” touching the bench as possible, help yourself by pulling on the bar if needed.
  • From that position shrug your traps forcefully as if trying to touch your ears with your shoulders.
  • When this is done, lower yourself back to the bench while keeping the traps contrated HARD. Keep the lower back arched.
  • Unrack the bar, stay shrugged and lower the bar to your chest, still shrugged.
  • Lift the bar explosively from your chest

This technique has the advantage of protecting your shoulders and making it easier to set up. With the traditional powerlifting bench, when you unrack the bar it is hard to keep the lats tensed and the body in the proper position, not so with my technique.

In my experience this method is optimal for the raw lifter, especially if he has shoulder issues.