http://www.socalpankration.com/fighters/index2.php?type=kids
Those kids doing Pankration will be badass…
I can vouch for Robert Leach, I trained with Team Frater for a good year. That I got to see that kid develope man by the time he’s 18-19 he’s going to be a terror. There’s a new age coming MMA. These kids are starting from damn near birth to be champions. I can’t wait to see what happens in the next evolution of the sport.
awww no love for the kids??? hahaha.
I don’t know anything about this Xen, but if you can explain more I’m interested. Is this an emerging fighting style?
You’ll have to excuse my ignorance for a while…I’m just now starting to get into all this MMA stuff. Not fighting, but as a spectator…I was really interested in MA and boxing when I was younger but it sort of fell by the wayside as I got older and more involved in the traditional sports (baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer, etc.). Then after high school it was pretty much just lifting for me. So now, at 23, I’m way too old/behind/don’t have time to participate, but it’s fun as hell watching this stuff…
I’ve really gotten into this reality show after the first couple of episodes. I just hope they show more training/fighting as opposed to all that competition stuff. If you know of any websites where I could go for an introduction, orientation to MMA in general, then by all means. I’ve tried searching myself, but most of what I found is just fighter’s records/upcoming competitions type stuff…
These are 2 websites with some cool info:
pankration if im correct only allows palmstriking and no strikes while on the ground correct? xen help me on this one
[quote]chtdrmn wrote:
pankration if im correct only allows palmstriking and no strikes while on the ground correct? xen help me on this one[/quote]
That sounds more like what I understand to be Shootfighting. At least when I fought with those rules the bount was labled a “Shoot-fight”.
I am in a similar boat to the 23 yr. old. No more sports besides recreational, and only lifting. I have always been fascinated with MMA, but my question is, are you ever really too old to start a MA or boxing?
I myself feel the same way but have been debating taking up boxing, or BJJ just as something new and interesting to try. By no means would I be taking it up with the expectations of becoming a pro-fighter one day, but more along the lines of working hard, having fun and broadening my horizons. Just wondering if people on here think this is a worthy effort.
Twenty-three really isn’t too old for anything!
If you ever want to do MMA you’ll have to be able to both grapple and strike. I’d choose one of the two, at first, and start learning. If you can train twice a week for a year you’ll learn a lot. For grappling it’s hard to beat Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and for striking try Thai Boxing or regular boxing.
[quote]RED9 wrote:
. Just wondering if people on here think this is a worthy effort.[/quote]
I started BJJ just after my 23rd birthday this year. I recently competed in sub. wrestling and it was awesome. I don’t see any reason why you can’t start. 23 shouldn’t be too old to try anything that you are interested in. I just set my goals at an achievable level, for instance, competing in a handful of BJJ/submission wrestling tournaments. Maybe the next step will be a pankration style fight, maybe not. There are plenty of other goals, for example getting a blue belt or even purple in BJJ.
Training in martial arts has improved my physique and made me more of an all around athlete, best thing I have ever done.
Red I used to train with a handful of 21-29 yr olds. Yes they lacked technical experience when they first started, but who doesn’t? If you have the patience to learn then by all means go for it and shoot for the moon. And I agree try doing BJJ or MT. If you can find a gym in your area that trains MMA.
It’s never ever to late to start doing ANYTHING.
As stated in one of the Atomic Dog’s… “Between those two dates on your tombstone you are free to do anything you desire” [paraphrased]
Now is it too late to become competitive? Not neccessarily, Frank Shamrock (regarded as one of (if not THE) best Mixed Martial Artist) didn’t start even training in anything combat oriented till in his early/mid 20’s.
This American version of pankration allows closed fist strikes. In japan the had/have a pankration organization I believe that allowed palm strikes (cause they didn’t wear gloves) and palm strikes on the ground.
This version allows no strikes to the face, and no elbows on the ground, but because they have gloves they allow strikes… all the other rules are basically the same.
These kids are going to be badass beyond belief. Robert Leach has his own signature move already the “Twisted Triangle”, kid is awesome.
(and that technique hurts like you’d never believe).
The following is a article written by MMA Journalist Joshua Hedges:
[i]Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) is a combative sport that combines aspects from many different martial arts. Competitors are often skilled in boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, karate, and other combative arts.
Mixed Martial Arts dates back to the ancient Greek Olympic Games in Athens where it was known as Pankration. In the 1920?s, it again became popular in Brazil and later on in Japan where these fights were held as major events.
The Gracie family of Brazil is often credited with creating MMA. 80 years ago in Brazil, it started as ?Vale Tudo? (?anything goes?). The early fights in Brazil truly had no rules. There were no time limits, and it was common for fights to go on for hours.
MMA in the United States began in 1993 with the birth of the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), a pay per view event showcasing a ?style versus style? spectacle. The idea was to bring together champions of various martial arts and Olympic sports, such as karate, jiu-jitsu, boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, sumo and other disciplines to determine which style would be most successful in a tournament. International support for the event was enormous. What began as a mere spectacle was transformed into one of the world?s most entertaining sporting events.
Over the years, MMA has gone through drastic changes and acquired many rules to create a legitimate sport. The UFC is still today the most recognized MMA event in the world. Over the course of its nine-year existence and 43 events, the UFC has become the premier mixed martial arts event in the world, featuring competitors of multiple disciplines in a quest to become an Ultimate Fighting champion.
The success of the UFC has spawned a multitude of similar or like events throughout the world. MMA events in some form are held in virtually every state in the US and many other countries around the world. The sport is most popular in the US, Japan, Brazil, and the UK.
In July 2001, the Nevada State Athletic Commission sanctioned the sport of MMA under a unified set of rules. The contests are held in either a traditional ring, similar to boxing, or a caged area. Despite how it looks, the cage actually is the safer of the two, as it prevents fighters from falling out of the fighting area onto the floor.
The ways to win a bout are similar to boxing - by knockout, technical knockout (referee, doctor, or corner stoppage), decision, or disqualification. A fight can also be won by submission, or tap out. When a fighter feels he cannot go on any further, either due to a hold, punches, or fatigue, he can physically or verbally tap out.
MMA bouts have five minute rounds ? five rounds for title fights and three rounds for all other bouts. Prohibited techniques include, but are not limited to, groin strikes, throat strikes, kicks or knees to the head of a downed combatant, eye-gouging, biting, head-butting, striking to the spine, and holding on to the ropes or cage.
The MMA athletes today are some of the world?s best. Olympic and World Champions wrestling, judo, kickboxing, and jiu-jitsu make up the upper echelon of MMA competitors.
MMA athletes often train six to eight hours a day, seven days a week. In the early days, a fighter would train in one specific art, but today everyone is cross-training. All MMA fighters train equally in standup and ground fighting. Most competitors choose to study Muay Thai kickboxing and/or Western Boxing for standup. On the ground, they often opt for a combination of amateur wrestling and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
There has never been a death in the UFC and there has only been one documented death in the 80+ year history of the sport of MMA. That occurred in an unsanctioned, unregulated event in the Soviet Union in 1998. Very rarely is there even an injury in a MMA fight. The majority of injuries sustained by the fighters are categorized as soft tissue type injuries such as abrasions, lacerations and bruising. Small bone injuries to hands, feet and facial areas such as the nose also make the list of injuries received.
The sport of Mixed Martial Arts has a long storied history. It has evolved from a ?No-Rules? spectacle into a legitimate sport. MMA will continue to evolve and excite fans for decades to come.[/i]
The following is a good site to check out for more info on Mixed Martial Arts:
The Following is packed FULL of information on everything martial art oriented:
Xen, that post was way more than I could have asked for. Thanks a shitload, man…
Wow, that story about Frank Shamrock is pretty cool. I had no idea. Unlike Ken who I hate and feel is incredibly overated, Frank is nasty.
Yeah, I guess hearing about all the Gracie’s being trained from the womb is pretty discouraging in terms of starting BJJ late, but you all are right. It would be ideal if my college had a class on it to test the waters for free (relatively free, I can take as many classes as I want for same tuition), but if not I will look into standard training in my area.
Hey xen I was wondering if you have a webpage that contains some training articles with pictures and such on how to learn this stuff, or any good fighting oriented martial arts. I’de like to start learning this myself, but I dont have the time or money right now to join any classes =\
It’d be much appretiated, thx
webpage stuff is all going to suck
at the most bjj.org has some techniques but that’s going to teach you jack shit.
go find a class its the best thing you can do. If you find a cool guy, you can work something out. Clean toliets, pick up towels, clean mats, whatever. If you want to learn you’ll work.
if not that…the very least you can do to at least get some level of competency is get the videos by
Straight Blast Gym (ALL of them)the one’s by the singer bros, matt thorton, everyone.
And then get Randy Couture’s clinch tapes.
And thats about it.
-Xen
Forgive me for asking such a question, but… are these kids actually hitting each other? Or are they just basically doing an open-handed, light contact karate point sparring match?
If they actually are striking each other with force… wow. I wish pankrasion was popular when I was a kid.
No fag tag here (‘light sparring’) they drop some serious bombs.
One girl Kailin (badass little chick) pulled a Wanderlei Silva…this boy she took down started to scoot backwards… she jumped in the air and tried to stomp on him (yes it’s illegal) but damn if it wasn’t entertaining.
(by the way she was 12-13 at the time haha)
ROFL, the thought of 12 yr. old girls “dropping bombs” and stomping people out is great. Really brings home the point that “These Kids Will Be Badasses.”
I’ve seen guys in their 40s and even 50s start out in BJJ and grappling. Sure, maybe they will never be a UFC or Pride champ, but I believe you’re never too old to start to grapple. The more participants we get, the better the sport will be.
My only word of advice, when (not if) you start, it’ll really help if you already have a modicum of cardiovascular conditioning, which, I would guess, most members of T-Nation already have. It’s not necessary, but you’ll get much more out of class and sparring when you’re not always about to puke.
Either way, though. Grappling, to me, is by far the best fat-burning activity I’ve ever participated in and it will get you into phenomenal shape.
Some will no doubt grow up to be “badasses.” Others, on the other hand will burn out from their parents (or whoever) pushing them and probably never set foot on a mat again.