I like this
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
I like this[/quote]
yes please continue
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
This is very uncharacteristic. They’re usually not alive at all.[/quote]
So you’ve been feeding occasionally on her until there was no blood left in her body?
[quote]bignate wrote:
this thread…has taught me much. [/quote]
x2
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this is why I hated to see the other forum go. Every post AC had was just amazing for knowledge.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Sure, it’s a fairly simple strategy really. First we have to understand something about women. You know that feeling that you get when you go to approach a woman for the first time? You get a thousand thoughts running through your head, "what if she has a boyfriend? what if she rejects me? is she going to embarrass me? what will other people think if she shoots me down? etc… All KINDS of shit comes up for all of us at the moment of approach. From virgins to guys with a triple digit number, we ALL experience approach anxiety in one form or another.
Women feel the SAME kind of anxiety right before they sleep with someone for the first time (assuming they are SOBER and shame on you if you take advantage of a woman who isn’t!) They have all kinds of vulnerabilities and emotions come up for them, "am I going to get pregnant? is he going to use a condom? will I catch an STD? is he going to respect me or just kick me out? is he going to tell all my friends I’m a slut? what if my parents find out? etc… All kinds of shit, some logical, some not. This is called Last Minute Resistance.
So when you have a girl in your room and you’re making out with her, a solid escalation is two steps forward, one step back. Women aren’t like light switches, you can’t just turn them on immediately, you have to gradually warm them up - kinda like the boiling the frog analogy, if you gradually increase the heat the frog will allow itself to be boiled, whereas if you drop a frog into boiling water, it will jump right out. Same thing - two steps forward, one step back is a time tested and proven means of escalation.
But you will inevitably reach a point (or several points, generally at the removal of clothing) where she feels rushed, overwhelmed, or that things are going too fast, so she stops you. At this point, MANY men resort to trying to convince her logically that it’s OK, or even begging, or getting upset or even angry or other weak minded strategies that are bound to kill any attraction.
Freezing her out is simply where you just STOP making out with her. Get up and do something else. I got up and logged into T-Nation and started this thread. You need to make sure that you DON’T come across as being upset, bitter or petulant in any way - you are simply unaffected. This does TWO things: it gives her time to clear her head of all those negative fears and emotions and it shows you that you are a man who has control. If she challenges your behavior, simple tell her in a neutral tone that your “arousal circuitry” is either ON or OFF - you don’t like to just fool around half way, so you’d just as soon go to bed soon, “don’t worry, we can snuggle”. Agree with her that you are probably “moving things too fast”. This will completely disarm her, cuz you are using HER arguments against her (but you’ve already made her horny so she is intellectually at odds with what she’s feeling emotionally).
So guess what? The sky is blue, water is wet and women are emotional creatures. You set up the dynamic so that she is left with really no choice BUT to sleep with you - to satisfy her own emotional needs.
Assuming she isn’t on her period or has some other compelling reason NOT to take her panties off, this works just about every fucking time.
[/quote]
I was familiar with this move but you seem to have a deeper understanding of it. I just assumed it had to do with a woman’s insecurity about being alone. Get her worked up and if she doesn’t want to have sex, simply remove yourself from the bed or room, take that security and comfort away from her and she’ll be more willing to have sex with you. Can be risky though. Has it ever failed for you though, or have you perfected it?
Already said this is gold once, but this is what it’s all about. PUA “by the book” is probably a little OTT for big physical T-Men, AC’s sort of strategy make’s a hell of a lot more sense. Plus half the PUA stuff is unusable in club settings. I’ve been shaky since an LTR but will be baring in mind ACs very legit points for the near future.
Good thread.
[quote]fisch wrote:
this is why I hated to see the other forum go. Every post AC had was just amazing for knowledge.[/quote]
It’s all still there on the WayBackMachine at archive.org
[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]fisch wrote:
this is why I hated to see the other forum go. Every post AC had was just amazing for knowledge.[/quote]
It’s all still there on the WayBackMachine at archive.org[/quote]
Holy shit it’s true
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Sure, it’s a fairly simple strategy really. First we have to understand something about women. You know that feeling that you get when you go to approach a woman for the first time? You get a thousand thoughts running through your head, "what if she has a boyfriend? what if she rejects me? is she going to embarrass me? what will other people think if she shoots me down? etc… All KINDS of shit comes up for all of us at the moment of approach. From virgins to guys with a triple digit number, we ALL experience approach anxiety in one form or another.
Women feel the SAME kind of anxiety right before they sleep with someone for the first time (assuming they are SOBER and shame on you if you take advantage of a woman who isn’t!) They have all kinds of vulnerabilities and emotions come up for them, "am I going to get pregnant? is he going to use a condom? will I catch an STD? is he going to respect me or just kick me out? is he going to tell all my friends I’m a slut? what if my parents find out? etc… All kinds of shit, some logical, some not. This is called Last Minute Resistance.
So when you have a girl in your room and you’re making out with her, a solid escalation is two steps forward, one step back. Women aren’t like light switches, you can’t just turn them on immediately, you have to gradually warm them up - kinda like the boiling the frog analogy, if you gradually increase the heat the frog will allow itself to be boiled, whereas if you drop a frog into boiling water, it will jump right out. Same thing - two steps forward, one step back is a time tested and proven means of escalation.
But you will inevitably reach a point (or several points, generally at the removal of clothing) where she feels rushed, overwhelmed, or that things are going too fast, so she stops you. At this point, MANY men resort to trying to convince her logically that it’s OK, or even begging, or getting upset or even angry or other weak minded strategies that are bound to kill any attraction.
Freezing her out is simply where you just STOP making out with her. Get up and do something else. I got up and logged into T-Nation and started this thread. You need to make sure that you DON’T come across as being upset, bitter or petulant in any way - you are simply unaffected. This does TWO things: it gives her time to clear her head of all those negative fears and emotions and it shows you that you are a man who has control. If she challenges your behavior, simple tell her in a neutral tone that your “arousal circuitry” is either ON or OFF - you don’t like to just fool around half way, so you’d just as soon go to bed soon, “don’t worry, we can snuggle”. Agree with her that you are probably “moving things too fast”. This will completely disarm her, cuz you are using HER arguments against her (but you’ve already made her horny so she is intellectually at odds with what she’s feeling emotionally).
So guess what? The sky is blue, water is wet and women are emotional creatures. You set up the dynamic so that she is left with really no choice BUT to sleep with you - to satisfy her own emotional needs.
Assuming she isn’t on her period or has some other compelling reason NOT to take her panties off, this works just about every fucking time.
[/quote]
I was familiar with this move but you seem to have a deeper understanding of it. I just assumed it had to do with a woman’s insecurity about being alone. Get her worked up and if she doesn’t want to have sex, simply remove yourself from the bed or room, take that security and comfort away from her and she’ll be more willing to have sex with you. Can be risky though. Has it ever failed for you though, or have you perfected it?[/quote]
You need to look at a woman’s ACTIONS. If she puts herself in a location alone with you then she’s basically acknowledged that she is at least willing to explore the possibility of having sex with you. You are in the Red Zone on the ten yard line. It’s up to you to get into the end zone without fumbling the ball. Her “comfort level” is going to be like a roller coaster - remember, above all else women are emotional creatures. So perceiving and managing her comfort level without coming across as needy is your #1 priority. So you never want to take comfort AWAY from her, you need to LEAD the interaction from first base to second base to third base to HOME just as comfortably as if you were leading her through a walk in the park. Or taking her hand to cross the street. It has to be as natural and as smooth as that. If YOU are feeling uncomfortable or unsure or nervous, you will sub communicate that and it will make HER feel ten times what you are feeling.
Nothing is “risky”. Risk involves having something to lose. With women, you must not fear “losing her” or losing her approval EVER. If something happens where you make her uncomfortable, then it’s one of two things: 1) the two of you have a fundamental disagreement and it is enough to break the rapport and you’re probably better off without her anyway or 2) you fucked up big time and you have just learned a lesson on what doesn’t work. Either way you win, so there’s NO risk. There is no such thing as a “zipless fuck” to borrow the idea from Erica Jong… There will ALWAYS be some mis-cue, distraction, miscommunication or other external distraction/event that will require to improvise, adapt and overcome. How smoothly you do this depends on your frame, attitude and experience. Each of those things is under your control.
Has it every failed me? Of course! LOL I’m not batting 1000! far from it! But I structure my life in such a way that I have WAY more “at bat’s” than the average person.
Have I perfected it? Nothing is perfect, but I can calibrate myself to the point whjere if I can get her to My/Her Place and isolate her with enough time to work, I’ll get the pussy 75% of the time. The other 25% is she’s on her period, or she gets a call and her relative just died (that’s actually happened FAR more often than I ever thought it would), or she’s too drunk and I decide to end the interaction early, or her room mate comes home, or something distracts or interrupts the flow. There’s been a few times where I’ve seen some red flags and gotten the fuck outta there as well.
[quote]jake_j_m wrote:
Already said this is gold once, but this is what it’s all about. PUA “by the book” is probably a little OTT for big physical T-Men, AC’s sort of strategy make’s a hell of a lot more sense. Plus half the PUA stuff is unusable in club settings. I’ve been shaky since an LTR but will be baring in mind ACs very legit points for the near future.
Good thread. [/quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Sure, it’s a fairly simple strategy really. First we have to understand something about women. You know that feeling that you get when you go to approach a woman for the first time? You get a thousand thoughts running through your head, "what if she has a boyfriend? what if she rejects me? is she going to embarrass me? what will other people think if she shoots me down? etc… All KINDS of shit comes up for all of us at the moment of approach. From virgins to guys with a triple digit number, we ALL experience approach anxiety in one form or another.
Women feel the SAME kind of anxiety right before they sleep with someone for the first time (assuming they are SOBER and shame on you if you take advantage of a woman who isn’t!) They have all kinds of vulnerabilities and emotions come up for them, "am I going to get pregnant? is he going to use a condom? will I catch an STD? is he going to respect me or just kick me out? is he going to tell all my friends I’m a slut? what if my parents find out? etc… All kinds of shit, some logical, some not. This is called Last Minute Resistance.
So when you have a girl in your room and you’re making out with her, a solid escalation is two steps forward, one step back. Women aren’t like light switches, you can’t just turn them on immediately, you have to gradually warm them up - kinda like the boiling the frog analogy, if you gradually increase the heat the frog will allow itself to be boiled, whereas if you drop a frog into boiling water, it will jump right out. Same thing - two steps forward, one step back is a time tested and proven means of escalation.
But you will inevitably reach a point (or several points, generally at the removal of clothing) where she feels rushed, overwhelmed, or that things are going too fast, so she stops you. At this point, MANY men resort to trying to convince her logically that it’s OK, or even begging, or getting upset or even angry or other weak minded strategies that are bound to kill any attraction.
Freezing her out is simply where you just STOP making out with her. Get up and do something else. I got up and logged into T-Nation and started this thread. You need to make sure that you DON’T come across as being upset, bitter or petulant in any way - you are simply unaffected. This does TWO things: it gives her time to clear her head of all those negative fears and emotions and it shows you that you are a man who has control. If she challenges your behavior, simple tell her in a neutral tone that your “arousal circuitry” is either ON or OFF - you don’t like to just fool around half way, so you’d just as soon go to bed soon, “don’t worry, we can snuggle”. Agree with her that you are probably “moving things too fast”. This will completely disarm her, cuz you are using HER arguments against her (but you’ve already made her horny so she is intellectually at odds with what she’s feeling emotionally).
So guess what? The sky is blue, water is wet and women are emotional creatures. You set up the dynamic so that she is left with really no choice BUT to sleep with you - to satisfy her own emotional needs.
Assuming she isn’t on her period or has some other compelling reason NOT to take her panties off, this works just about every fucking time.
[/quote]
I was familiar with this move but you seem to have a deeper understanding of it. I just assumed it had to do with a woman’s insecurity about being alone. Get her worked up and if she doesn’t want to have sex, simply remove yourself from the bed or room, take that security and comfort away from her and she’ll be more willing to have sex with you. Can be risky though. Has it ever failed for you though, or have you perfected it?[/quote]
You need to look at a woman’s ACTIONS. If she puts herself in a location alone with you then she’s basically acknowledged that she is at least willing to explore the possibility of having sex with you. You are in the Red Zone on the ten yard line. It’s up to you to get into the end zone without fumbling the ball. Her “comfort level” is going to be like a roller coaster - remember, above all else women are emotional creatures. So perceiving and managing her comfort level without coming across as needy is your #1 priority. So you never want to take comfort AWAY from her, you need to LEAD the interaction from first base to second base to third base to HOME just as comfortably as if you were leading her through a walk in the park. Or taking her hand to cross the street. It has to be as natural and as smooth as that. If YOU are feeling uncomfortable or unsure or nervous, you will sub communicate that and it will make HER feel ten times what you are feeling.
Nothing is “risky”. Risk involves having something to lose. With women, you must not fear “losing her” or losing her approval EVER. If something happens where you make her uncomfortable, then it’s one of two things: 1) the two of you have a fundamental disagreement and it is enough to break the rapport and you’re probably better off without her anyway or 2) you fucked up big time and you have just learned a lesson on what doesn’t work. Either way you win, so there’s NO risk. There is no such thing as a “zipless fuck” to borrow the idea from Erica Jong… There will ALWAYS be some mis-cue, distraction, miscommunication or other external distraction/event that will require to improvise, adapt and overcome. How smoothly you do this depends on your frame, attitude and experience. Each of those things is under your control.
Has it every failed me? Of course! LOL I’m not batting 1000! far from it! But I structure my life in such a way that I have WAY more “at bat’s” than the average person.
Have I perfected it? Nothing is perfect, but I can calibrate myself to the point whjere if I can get her to My/Her Place and isolate her with enough time to work, I’ll get the pussy 75% of the time. The other 25% is she’s on her period, or she gets a call and her relative just died (that’s actually happened FAR more often than I ever thought it would), or she’s too drunk and I decide to end the interaction early, or her room mate comes home, or something distracts or interrupts the flow. There’s been a few times where I’ve seen some red flags and gotten the fuck outta there as well.[/quote]
Interesting insight and way of looking at things.
Never thought about it until now but I got with my current girlfriend by using this strategy(unbeknownst to me!).
On a work night out I walked her home and we went inside. Being retarded and fairly naive, I genuinely thought she just wanted to chat so we had some coffee and talked shit for a while. Then I decided I didn’t want to make her uncomfortable by over-staying my welcome(like I said, retarded and naive. And a little bit drunk) and got up to leave. I was going out her front door and turned around to say goodbye and then suddenly we were making out like there was no tomorrow.
Hell, I started laughing after I read this thread and realised what actually happened
Another great post, there’s a ton of guys nodding their heads right now and realising why certain interactions went positively/negatively for them right now.
[quote]jake_j_m wrote:
^ Gold[/quote]
AC is back!!
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]jake_j_m wrote:
^ Gold[/quote]
AC is back!![/quote]
Not for long though! 
I go offshore again tomorrow for another few weeks. Gotta bring home the bacon.
[quote]Prof wrote:
[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]fisch wrote:
this is why I hated to see the other forum go. Every post AC had was just amazing for knowledge.[/quote]
It’s all still there on the WayBackMachine at archive.org[/quote]
Holy shit it’s true[/quote]
Sweet. Looks like I know what im doing my next free day
Most recent date is November 2010. Unfortunate, but im sure some good stuff still in there
This is MM through and through, I mastered this when I was 18/19. Then forgot it…although it was pretty internalized. I ended up after my several years of “practicing” sleeping with and picking up women, finding myself partial to the sex that was born out of a caring LTR. I am now however finding myself EXHAUSTED after my last relationship, the problem with learning what women want is that you learn how to make them happy, and when find one you want to do that for day in and day out it’s exhausting…I however find myself unable to conform to the idea that you fall into one category or another. The basis of MM guys is simple. Learn what makes women tick, and do whatever you have to do to make them tick…If it’s from the right place it’s not manipulative but a very enlightening experience when you can create something where both parties are “giving” into a moment, minute, year or lifetime…Fuck this thread…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]jake_j_m wrote:
^ Gold[/quote]
AC is back!![/quote]
Not for long though! I go offshore again tomorrow for another few weeks. Gotta bring home the bacon.[/quote]
No doubt, be safe out there AC.