I’m sure there is. But from my research, none of the anti AI people who are actually educated on the subject, like danny bossa, actually say that. If equel wants to be credible, it would be better for him to argue against the actual arguments that Danny bossa and his Facebook group actually make.
Equel arguing against straw man arguments, is like leftists who called Trump a racist, because Trump didn’t want illegals to come here unchecked.
It’s just asinine.
@equel is correct. Just like the other folk you don’t have to agree with them equel disagrees and can say that. This is a public forum We can state our opinions based on our own experiences. We don’t have to dig up clinical trials and scholar articles. You can do that for any viewpoint basically.
And yes it was said basically don’t even check e2.
We want to hear everyone’s opinion it’s an evolving field.
The divisive one was bossa. He actually last week made a post on Reddit apologizing for stuff.
I’d like to throw my hat in the ring. I didn’t like Danny, not on a personal level, but more of his approach to this topic. That being said, I know far too many TRT docs that throw the kitchen sink at their new patients. “Here’s 200mg/wk plus an AI and some Finesteride to block the DHT.” This just happened to my close friend but I’ve seen it countless times. I think its wrong and irresponsible to do this out of the gate.
A more responsible and systematic approach is to start someone who is lacking in T with, surprise surprise, a testosterone only treatment. Its my belief that most men DO self regulate just fine. The AI needing folks are mostly outliers so if you are one of them, you will know at your 6-8 week labs and you can add an AI at that time.
For those of you that got on TRT to have the largest possible dose you can get and/or mini cycle you’re more likely to need one than someone on true TRT. But again, why start with a medicne such as an AI that you MAY NOT NEED and can also negatively impact your health.
This^
I have a friend that got that same protocol prescribed, except 250 mg/wk.
I don’t think Finasteride is the boogyman that many seem to think it is, but if someone wants to start on Test, it makes sense to me to start them just on Test. One variable at a time.
They literally say it doesn’t matter, run e2 as high as you want. Feel bad? Add more test. That is their program. At least as of the last time I checked in.
I have to call bs on that, without you showing proof. I’ve had discussions with Danny when he helped me get off of anastrozole, and I’ve listened to the doctors on the YouTube channel that Danny used to be on. I’ve never heard any of them say that when there’s an issue with one’s TRT protocol being off(feeling bad), just add more T.
Unless you show me something where Danny said that, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you misunderstood what he said.
I’ll confirm this. Maybe not in those exact words, but very close. There were almost endless debates on this when Danny was not suspended from this forum.
Proof will be their videos and Facebook posts years in the making that I know longer have access to (I’ve been banned). It’s not hard to search out, if you want it.
Their reasoning, in many videos and post, is that if you feel bad on TRT it’s due to low FT, and taking an AI allows more FT, therefore you feel better. It’s not the lowering of e2, it’s raising FT. Of course that’s nonsense, but that is their belief. Don’t believe me, search it out. The evidence is there
I have heard Danny say that certain men on trt(he never said all, nor did he even say the majority) only have their symptoms get full relief with a free T of over 30. So, since he said that it’s only some men, then again, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and think you misunderstood.
Great. I’d love to see confirmation in proper context. I just think you guys misunderstood, didn’t read it in proper context, or missed part of the conversation. A link to a thread would be nice. That way we can see the context.
It’s wild that we’re still discussing him lol. Must’ve left an impact
Nope, didn’t misunderstand, didn’t misinterpret. Also a separate subject regarding FT levels men feel well at (although he has softened on his stance some in their videos).
I don’t have a reason to lie, or make up something that many can confirm, so I guess we’ll leave it at that
Again, I’m banned from their group, so any “context” is out of my reach at this point
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
It’s kinda shitty how people here, equel are you listening, can bad mouth someone, claim that said something that they really didn’t, and then just not provide any evidence for what they claim. It’s a pretty shitty way to have a discussion.
I was so sure that I needed to be on anastrozole, until Danny had the patience, and took the time to help show me that I didn’t need it. So yes, as the only person that helped me regarding using an AI, in the seven years I was on trt, he left an impact.
my guy, I don’t know what else to tell you. I’ve told you where the evidence is, videos and Facebook posts, probably some archived posts on this forum as well, I just don’t have access to their group anymore. So it’s not a lack of evidence, you just don’t want to seek it out. very different.
either way, good luck to you. I’m gonna go take some anastrozole and relax
he’s quite the miracle worker, isn’t he? I was in the same boat, taking way too much AI, keeping e2 too low, so I backed off, spent some time without it, determined I felt better with a tiny amount added in. that doesn’t mean I follow everything else they say
This is BS too. Many many guys feel awesome with free t in the 20s.
Well no, that is NOT what they say, this fucking board is FILLED with this nonsense, “dont even check ur e2 it doesnt matter!”, “the higher the e2 the better, what? U dont want the amazing benefits of e2?? Just wanna drop it a little bit? So u want to be a little bit unhealthier brah?”, “e2 is awesome from libido man!”, “dude if u use 0.25mg arimidex u will destroy your bones!”.
And NO NO NO, the body do NOT neccesarily “auto regulate itself”, for gods sake, the very mechanism of that regulation is SHUT OFF (HPTA) when using exo testo.
LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU WITHOUT RAGING:
Estradiol is the primary target of the HPTA. Those who advocate that it can be ignored to focus on testosterone are “quacks.”
The hypothalamus does not monitor testosterone to an appreciable extent. The primary job of both the male and female hypothalamus is to monitor free estradiol and to keep it within a narrow range. The system, in a eugonadal male, works with the precision of a Swiss watch.
This is why clomiphene administration can restore the LH pulse in a male with secondary hypogonadism. Starvation of estradiol will cause the hypothalamus to respond. Starvation of testosterone, as in secondary hypogonadism, has little effect. In primary hypogonadism, the increase in LH pulse is due to E2 starvation and not T starvation. Conversely, very potent androgens, especially synthetic androgens, can suppress the LH pulse, but this is due to to oversaturation in the hypothalamus where androgens normally exert only mild inhibition.
Likewise, the liver, which expresses the primary strong binding hormone transport glycoprotein known as SHBG, is responding primarily to free E2. It will completely ignore testosterone concentrations in normal or low ranges, and pull an “emergency brake” only when androgens are too high by downregulating SHBG expression.
Every hormone responsive cell in the body is more tuned to E2 than testosterone because it spans both sexes.
E2 is to be normalized with a higher priority than testosterone itself. The doctors who claim that T is to be controlled but E2 should be ignored and allowed to exceed norms have it entirely backwards.
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