THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! CONTEXT!!!
You took a small portion of what I actually said, ripped it from proper context, made it sound like something I never said, then proceeded to disagree with a straw man.
I actually said was,
“I have heard Danny say that certain men on trt(he never said all, nor did he even say the majority) only have their symptoms get full relief with a free T of over 30. So, since he said that it’s only some men, then again, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and think you misunderstood.”
You guys really need to learn how to have an honest discussion. It’s really pathetic.
I was taking 1/4 pill twice a week, keeping my E2 in the 20s, right where my doctor wanted it, and right where everyone else said it should be. But I still had severe joint pain in my feet, until I stopped taking anastrozole.
Again, Danny was the only one in the 7 years I was on trt, to tell me what I NEEDED TO HEAR, even though I argued with him against it.
Who is “everyone else” ? The vaste majority of docs in the world dont know nothing about AI, they dont even check estrogen or care about it. Its a MINORITY of docs who actually care about and regulate e2.
Everyone else is my two doctors I’ve had, and everyone else on this forum who told me that my symptoms were caused by high E2, when now thanks to Danny, I know it wasn’t high E2.
No one needs to show you proof of anything. We all witnessed it going on. Proving it does what? You seem new here, otherwise you’d know.
Danny is a great guy and tried helping me. We kept trying to up the dose, up the dose. I think towards the end, his thinking changed regarding e2.
But regardless, trying to “prove” someone said something we all saw and read, is a clog on these threads and a waste of one’s time. Do your own research and review past threads.
You’re right, nobody “needs” to show proof when they claim someone said something. But when it’s shown, even a few posts ago when someone ripped my quote out of context, that people like equel and others misrepresent when others say…
And no, I’m not new here. I’m new under this name, but I’ve been here for years.
Yes, and others do too. But apparently keeping busy from work doesn’t keep people from misquoting others and misrepresenting what people actually said.
He wasn’t a doctor, he advocated for an approach aimed at “treating symptoms” as opposed to fixating on numbers. He was very anti AI, I typically am too.
Provided you aren’t obese, you don’t have aromatase excess syndrome (very rare), or something like PAIS or klinefelters syndrome requiring an AI on TRT probably means you’re dosing too high.
However Danny Bossa would also advocate for the use of high dosages at times (say 200-250mg/wk) and he would viciously attack those who harboured opposing bodies of thought. I don’t think he is a bad guy, rather he was very passionate about HRT/helping those who were struggling; and he did help many
If you want to use 250mg/wk, I’m okay with that… but for 99.9% of the population this is a mild cycle. However those with PAIS sometimes require very high dosages. My doc was telling me about a patient they have with PAIS who requires 500mg/wk just to restore normal physiology… poor guy…
PAIS = androgen receptors are partially defective, people afflicted with PAIS won’t develop normally/have adequate secondary sexual characteristics unless they take what would otherwise be considered supraphysiologic dosages of T (or another androgen). You’ll note high dosages of testosterone for this cohort won’t lead to polycythemia, dyslipidemia or autonomic dysfunction.
What is known, is the normal distribution of everyone’s Testosterone and Oestradiol.
If your body can naturally produce adequate levels of each then great. If not and you have access to exogenously replacing one or both then great.
If you want to exogenously increase one or both to higher than what’s found over the known distribution of the population and into the unknown then you are a live experiment and good luck to you. You have every right to hypothesise and experiment with your body just don’t make unfounded claims.
I’d agree that’s too low, and it’s a shame your docs and “everyone else” wanted you to keep your e2 so low even when you had physical symptoms as a result. Poor hormone management, sadly it happens a lot. Glad you got it sorted
Thanks for clarifying. My response was more of a general opinion to those who make such claims. I’m not saying they’re wrong, I’m not saying they’re right I’m just saying that no one yet knows.
I’d love to see a 1-year study of men on TRT using an AI to control e2, a group controlling e2 via dose/frequency, and a group not controlling e2 at all. I imagine it would be complicated and expensive to do, and even after many would say it wasn’t a long enough trial.
Right now we know that an e2 of near zero sucks, for men and women. The high end is more fuzzy
