[quote]Mick28 wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
What’s the problem?
I don’t see a problem.
I always laugh when I read the comments from all these arm chair moralists. The fact is that you and I have no idea why McCain divorced his first wife. If could be that he didn’t want to be married to a woman who was disfigured from an automobile accident and gained a great deal of weight. Then again, it could be that they never got along to begin with and McCain always had regrets about the marriage. It could be something entirely different.
The fact is you and I don’t know. I wouldn’t be too quick to judge him or anyone else until you know every fact that there is to know.
I’d rather attack McCain for “McCain Feingold” or some other piece of crap legislation he helped create. Of course Obama’s liberal voting record is far worse than any crap legislation that McCain created, but that’s for another post.
The McCain-Feingold legislation, the “Gang of 14” behavior, the Keating scandal, his pilot errors, his POW hearing bullying and this all need to be taken together to give a complete picture of his character. Some might argue that character doesn’t matter in a presidential race. If that’s so, then why does McCain so frequently point to his character?
Even if all of that were true, I’m not voting for socialist Obama. He’s for higher taxes…for everyone. He’s against gun rights and is pro abortion.
This guy is the most liberal Senator in the entire Senate.
McCain would have to be the devil himself for me to even consider Obama. And any freedom loving, gun loving, anti big government, individual should feel the same way.
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Weird, because he’s not a socialist, is surrounded by centrist pro business economic advisors, for lowering taxes on 80% of the population, and clearly will do nothing to your guns. Also I haven’t heard him advocating for more abortions.
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities–but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
He is in favor of local and state bans, he is in favor of suing the manufacturers out of existence, he is in favor of banning semi automatics, …
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities–but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
He is in favor of local and state bans, he is in favor of suing the manufacturers out of existence, he is in favor of banning semi automatics, …[/quote]
I don’t think President Obama is going to remove Mick’s guns.
Obviously, if you’re representing Chicago’s inner city, your postitions on guns are just a little different.
In short Mick will have every one of his guns 8 years from now.
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities–but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
He is in favor of local and state bans, he is in favor of suing the manufacturers out of existence, he is in favor of banning semi automatics, …
I don’t think President Obama is going to remove Mick’s guns.
Obviously, if you’re representing Chicago’s inner city, your postitions on guns are just a little different.
In short Mick will have every one of his guns 8 years from now.
Plus Obama WILL NOT veto every beer.[/quote]
Obama will sign every gun control bill. With a strong Democrat Congress there is any number of possible bills that will infringe on gun owners rights.
We’ve had this conversation. Obama wants only to tax “the rich”.
Okay…
who is “rich”?
In Obama’s world anyone making 60-k or better is “rich”. That means that taxes go up for everyone making 60-k or more. As you must know by now just taxing the really rich will not bring in enough revenue to matter. He has to get into the pockets of the middle class. And he does this by redefining them.
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Maybe it’s worse than that… Couples making $60K or more, but only half that for individuals…
We’ve had this conversation. Obama wants only to tax “the rich”.
Okay…
who is “rich”?
In Obama’s world anyone making 60-k or better is “rich”. That means that taxes go up for everyone making 60-k or more. As you must know by now just taxing the really rich will not bring in enough revenue to matter. He has to get into the pockets of the middle class. And he does this by redefining them.
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Maybe it’s worse than that… Couples making $60K or more, but only half that for individuals…
He’d definitely be a new Jimmy Carter. If he disincentives middle class pay like that, he can expect the economy to go in the toilet. But every 10 years or so we need a reminder of how much fun socialism can be.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
But every 10 years or so we need a reminder of how much fun socialism can be. [/quote]
Speak for yourself.
All the extra taxes (Windfall Profits Tax, Cap-and-Trade) being fought over right now will be almost sure bets under Obama, and they will raise the prices of all energy through the fuckin roof. Who will be most hurt by that? Oh, yeah - the “working man” who can barely afford the gas needed to get to work as is. Yay! More poor folk who will be completely dependant upon Big Brother for every worldly need. Things are looking up for the Democrats, I tell you whut.
As for the original post: It’s a blatant hit piece, and doesn’t affect my vote one way or the other.
We’ve had this conversation. Obama wants only to tax “the rich”.
Okay…
who is “rich”?
In Obama’s world anyone making 60-k or better is “rich”. That means that taxes go up for everyone making 60-k or more. As you must know by now just taxing the really rich will not bring in enough revenue to matter. He has to get into the pockets of the middle class. And he does this by redefining them.
…
Maybe it’s worse than that… Couples making $60K or more, but only half that for individuals…
Fully a quarter of McCain’s tax cuts go to those struggling families pulling in over $2.8 million. Under Obama those families taxes would clearly be increased.
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities–but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
He is in favor of local and state bans, he is in favor of suing the manufacturers out of existence, he is in favor of banning semi automatics, …
I don’t think President Obama is going to remove Mick’s guns.
Obviously, if you’re representing Chicago’s inner city, your postitions on guns are just a little different.
In short Mick will have every one of his guns 8 years from now.
Plus Obama WILL NOT veto every beer.
Obama will sign every gun control bill. With a strong Democrat Congress there is any number of possible bills that will infringe on gun owners rights.[/quote]
are you saying for sure Mick’s guns will be removed?
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities–but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
He is in favor of local and state bans, he is in favor of suing the manufacturers out of existence, he is in favor of banning semi automatics, …
I don’t think President Obama is going to remove Mick’s guns.
Obviously, if you’re representing Chicago’s inner city, your postitions on guns are just a little different.
In short Mick will have every one of his guns 8 years from now.
Plus Obama WILL NOT veto every beer.
Obama will sign every gun control bill. With a strong Democrat Congress there is any number of possible bills that will infringe on gun owners rights.
are you saying for sure Mick’s guns will be removed?[/quote]
He will place them in jeopardy. He will limit Mick’s choices for future firearms and he may require certain types of guns to be turned in as has already been done in England, Australia…
Oh well. Nobody cares about this. We’ll just keep praising McCain’s character as a war hero despite all those videos he made as a POW for the NVA, the Keating scandal, and his behavior at he POW hearings in the 90s. Let the Straight Talk Express continue.
That is ridiculous to the point of offensiveness. McCain endured torture for 5 years, and I think it’s patently absurd to criticize him if he broke under torture and made a video. He declined to be sent home early, and helped the other prisoners keep up their morale.
As for Keating - conviction or even charges against McCain? No.
And as for behavior, I can imagine his gumption getting up at suggestions that he didn’t care about POWs in Viet Nam, given his history…
This is pretty piss-poor stuff. There are plenty of policy reasons why McCain isn’t ideal - but this is junk.
You know I was wrong about one previous remark. I said that those making 60-k or more are considered rich by Obama.
What haven’t you been wrong about?
Obama’s tax increase effects the top quintile. That’s a wee bit more than 60,000.
you would get more from Obama than McCain.
What is it about Obama repealing the Bush tax cuts that you don’t understand? He has said several times that this is his intention.
It’s very simple.
Everyone who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts will now feel the sting of them going away. That means that if you make 50-k you WILL pay more taxes under Obama than under McCain. About 2-k or so more.
Most who support the socialist Obama acknowledge this fact. You should do the same.[/quote]
Mick, that is not a tax increase. Repealing a tax cut is not an increase. Just because your taxes go up does not mean they increase. Keep telling yourself that and maybe you will understand Obamalogic.
Everyone who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts will now feel the sting of them going away. That means that if you make 50-k you WILL pay more taxes under Obama than under McCain. About 2-k or so more.
Most who support the socialist Obama acknowledge this fact. You should do the same.[/quote]
IF you make 50k.
you wil get.
3x more.
under obama.
Jeezus GO READ THE PLANS!