[quote]etaco wrote:
He probably did it because the gays devalued marriage. [/quote]
LOL!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
There’s a big difference in my mind between divorcing someone because you grew apart from them or had differences with them and doing it after they waited while you were in prison camp and became crippled.
I think these two things could cause anyone to grow apart.[/quote]
He stayed married to her for seven years before divorcing. She dismisses the idea that the accident is the reason for their divorce. This story does not impress me.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
There’s a big difference in my mind between divorcing someone because you grew apart from them or had differences with them and doing it after they waited while you were in prison camp and became crippled.
I think these two things could cause anyone to grow apart.
He stayed married to her for seven years before divorcing. She dismisses the idea that the accident is the reason for their divorce. This story does not impress me.[/quote]
Have you guys been reading a different article than the one I linked? Yes, he didn’t divorce her until seven years later, but he started cheating on her almost immediately:
[quote]Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans�?? rights, said: �??I have been following John McCain�??s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is �?? deceit.
�??When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.[/quote]
Technically, he hadn’t filled out the divorce paperwork, so he was still married, but he wasn’t exactly living up to his end of the marriage bargain.
Oh well. Nobody cares about this. We’ll just keep praising McCain’s character as a war hero despite all those videos he made as a POW for the NVA, the Keating scandal, and his behavior at he POW hearings in the 90s. Let the Straight Talk Express continue.
Maybe Russian mindrape therapy made him do it.
[quote]nothingclever wrote:
Maybe Russian mindrape therapy made him do it.[/quote]
That sounds like fun. What is it?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Have you guys been reading a different article than the one I linked? Yes, he didn’t divorce her until seven years later, but he started cheating on her almost immediately:
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I’m going with the word of the ex-wife over the word of Ted Sampley.
Give us someone better than Obama.
Remember “ABbB” (anybody but Bush) from 2004? This is ABbO. I don’t know anyone terribly please with McCain. But he beats the alternative.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Have you guys been reading a different article than the one I linked? Yes, he didn’t divorce her until seven years later, but he started cheating on her almost immediately:
I’m going with the word of the ex-wife over the word of Ted Sampley.
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Read The Nightingale’s Song, about McCain, Webb, North, Poindexter, and MacFarlane, all Naval Academy grads of the Vietnam generation. Fantastic book, generally very sympathetic to McCain, but he himself basically admits he came home and started cheating on his wife. That wouldn’t disqualify me from voting for him, but for a guy who runs on biography even more than Obama…
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Oh well. Nobody cares about this. We’ll just keep praising McCain’s character as a war hero despite all those videos he made as a POW for the NVA, the Keating scandal, and his behavior at he POW hearings in the 90s. Let the Straight Talk Express continue.
Give us someone better than Obama.
Remember “ABbB” (anybody but Bush) from 2004? This is ABbO. I don’t know anyone terribly please with McCain. But he beats the alternative.[/quote]
Does he? Do you read anything on McCain’s foreign policy views (never mind that he essentially has no domestic policy)?
I won’t be voting for either, but I think McCain might actually be worse for the country. Coin flip I’d say.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
Look, there is no way in hell I am going to vote for McCain anyway, but this kind of trivial, ad hominem bullshit has got to be flushed from American politics.
I am really tired of people making judgements about candidates based upon shit that belongs in a gossip column.
I don’t give a shit where Obama goes to church. I don’t care if he EVEN goes to church. I don’t care if McCain wanted to be 25 instead of 40. I also don’t think staying in a POW camp necessarily qualifies you for President. My uncle was in a POW camp in Vietnam for a few years. Should he run for President?
What do they say about the war, what do they plan to do about the economy? I bet more people know about the sex life of our candidates than they know about the plans the candidates have that are going to impact the country.[/quote]
One problem with your idea - Obama wants to focus on Character and Judgment, not the things you say are substantive and important.
Interestingly, Obama will now turn to those issues - but he is now the candidate. Prior to becoming the candidate, he wanted to avoid all the things you say are supposed to be the true measure of a candidate…and yet, he won the nomination anyway.
Where were all the discerning left-liberals interested in substance prior to Obama getting the nomination? Shouldn’t all of these substantive issues been examined long ago?
[quote]lixy wrote:
What would Jesus do?[/quote]
Stick it in her pooper.
Err… no, that’s what I wanted to say.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Are we seriously going to disqualify from consideration any male politician who divorces his wife and marries a younger woman? [/quote]
I know, it’s not like Republicans ever made an issue of “fidelity” and “family values” before, c’mon guys?
Yes, because anything that’s related to something that’s ever been claimed as an issue before by the other side in its attempt to obscure the real issue (hint: lying under oath is bad for the chief law enforcement officer) must always be an issue, right? Now let’s find out what McCain and Obama think about the Sedition Act…
Kennedy cheated on Jackie almost daily and the left love him. He even had hookers on the government payroll that traveled with him for when he needed �??stress relief�??. Plus he was addicted to prescription drugs.
People are delusional if they think anyone can rise to the elite level of business or government without being involved in some dirty business with unsavory characters. The question is how involved, how dirty, how unsavory?
Right now Obama looks worse to me than McCain on the sleazy dealings scale.
I wonder more about the character of a man who rises to a high level of wealth or power and does not get some tail along the way than one who did. OMG, McCain bagged a rich hottie he must be evil. Hysterical.
Sharon Churcher of the British tabloid Daily Mail. Other hard hitting exposes include �??Royal bride’s playful past: The twin brother with a very suspicious looking cigarette - and ‘barboosin’ maid of honour�?? and �??After Peter Phillips and Autumn Kelly’s nuptials, which young Royal will be next?�?? Real Woodward and Bernstein material she is.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
What’s the problem?
I don’t see a problem.
I always laugh when I read the comments from all these arm chair moralists. The fact is that you and I have no idea why McCain divorced his first wife. If could be that he didn’t want to be married to a woman who was disfigured from an automobile accident and gained a great deal of weight. Then again, it could be that they never got along to begin with and McCain always had regrets about the marriage. It could be something entirely different.
The fact is you and I don’t know. I wouldn’t be too quick to judge him or anyone else until you know every fact that there is to know.
I’d rather attack McCain for “McCain Feingold” or some other piece of crap legislation he helped create. Of course Obama’s liberal voting record is far worse than any crap legislation that McCain created, but that’s for another post.[/quote]
Agreed, way too many unknowns for this to even be an issue.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
What’s the problem?
I don’t see a problem.
I always laugh when I read the comments from all these arm chair moralists. The fact is that you and I have no idea why McCain divorced his first wife. If could be that he didn’t want to be married to a woman who was disfigured from an automobile accident and gained a great deal of weight. Then again, it could be that they never got along to begin with and McCain always had regrets about the marriage. It could be something entirely different.
The fact is you and I don’t know. I wouldn’t be too quick to judge him or anyone else until you know every fact that there is to know.
I’d rather attack McCain for “McCain Feingold” or some other piece of crap legislation he helped create. Of course Obama’s liberal voting record is far worse than any crap legislation that McCain created, but that’s for another post.[/quote]
The McCain-Feingold legislation, the “Gang of 14” behavior, the Keating scandal, his pilot errors, his POW hearing bullying and this all need to be taken together to give a complete picture of his character. Some might argue that character doesn’t matter in a presidential race. If that’s so, then why does McCain so frequently point to his character?
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Are we seriously going to disqualify from consideration any male politician who divorces his wife and marries a younger woman?
100meters wrote:
I know, it’s not like Republicans ever made an issue of “fidelity” and “family values” before, c’mon guys?
Yes, because anything that’s related to something that’s ever been claimed as an issue before by the other side in its attempt to obscure the real issue (hint: lying under oath is bad for the chief law enforcement officer) must always be an issue, right? Now let’s find out what McCain and Obama think about the Sedition Act…[/quote]
Odd, because I’m pretty sure “family values” went beyond President Clinton. It appears to be a pretty consistent sub-theme of republican candidates.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
PRCalDude
Give us someone better than Obama.
Remember “ABbB” (anybody but Bush) from 2004? This is ABbO. I don’t know anyone terribly please with McCain. But he beats the alternative.[/quote]
this is the stupidest thing that I hear from people.
and I hear it all the damned time and it erks me to no end
people vote againt someone or against a stance and that is idiotic.
why not vote FOR someone or a cause ,and if not then dont vote at all.
you have a choice you dont Have to vote for someone or something that you do not agree with
its people like this that screw up things because they vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
example is the sherriff in our county
he is raceist,he has promoted the unethical treatment of citizens and breaching of privacy
he has sent swat teams to peoples houses for “training exersizes” on people that owe money on a traffic ticket.and when these people get injured over a 10 mph over speed limit ticket or something else as trivial
he states you wouldnt have been hurt if you didnt get involved with MY system to begin with.
and millions of dollars a year go out in setelments for wrongful death suits due to beatings in there jail,conducted by the employees of said jails.
one case,was a man that was mentally ill and derainged,he was without his meds and he was lost on the streets.
instead of the officer taking him to a hospital to find out what was wrong,he took him to jail
where he was bound to a restraint chair,had a mask places on his head,sprayed with chemical mace, and choked to death.
the officer that did the choking was quoted on camera yelling ta the guy,YOU THINK YOUR A BAD MOTHERFUCKER,YOUR NOT BAD WHEN YOU CANT BREATH.
the man was crying for his family because he didnt know where he was or what was going on.
then during the trial the sherriff laughed and told the judge “I dont tell you how to do your job,dont you dare tell me how to do mine,or my deputies how to do thiers”
this officer is back on the job today.
there was another guy that was legally blind and he was killed by being beat by officers after not complying with an order to “walk over there”
conuntless other cases go unanswered.
people vote this corrupt funds misusing bastard into the seat because there isnt anyone else they like. even though these actions are public knowledge
fucking idiots the whole lot of them
end of rant sorry
[quote]nichaaron wrote:
nephorm wrote:
PRCalDude
Give us someone better than Obama.
Remember “ABbB” (anybody but Bush) from 2004? This is ABbO. I don’t know anyone terribly please with McCain. But he beats the alternative.
this is the stupidest thing that I hear from people.
and I hear it all the damned time and it erks me to no end
people vote againt someone or against a stance and that is idiotic.
why not vote FOR someone or a cause ,and if not then dont vote at all.
you have a choice you dont Have to vote for someone or something that you do not agree with
its people like this that screw up things because they vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
example is the sherriff in our county
he is raceist,he has promoted the unethical treatment of citizens and breaching of privacy
he has sent swat teams to peoples houses for “training exersizes” on people that owe money on a traffic ticket.and when these people get injured over a 10 mph over speed limit ticket or something else as trivial
he states you wouldnt have been hurt if you didnt get involved with MY system to begin with.
and millions of dollars a year go out in setelments for wrongful death suits due to beatings in there jail,conducted by the employees of said jails.
one case,was a man that was mentally ill and derainged,he was without his meds and he was lost on the streets.
instead of the officer taking him to a hospital to find out what was wrong,he took him to jail
where he was bound to a restraint chair,had a mask places on his head,sprayed with chemical mace, and choked to death.
the officer that did the choking was quoted on camera yelling ta the guy,YOU THINK YOUR A BAD MOTHERFUCKER,YOUR NOT BAD WHEN YOU CANT BREATH.
the man was crying for his family because he didnt know where he was or what was going on.
then during the trial the sherriff laughed and told the judge “I dont tell you how to do your job,dont you dare tell me how to do mine,or my deputies how to do thiers”
this officer is back on the job today.
there was another guy that was legally blind and he was killed by being beat by officers after not complying with an order to “walk over there”
conuntless other cases go unanswered.
people vote this corrupt funds misusing bastard into the seat because there isnt anyone else they like. even though these actions are public knowledge
fucking idiots the whole lot of them
end of rant sorry
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Fucking christ dude! That’s horrible.
Where in Arizona ARE you?
[quote]Otep wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
nephorm wrote:
PRCalDude
Give us someone better than Obama.
Remember “ABbB” (anybody but Bush) from 2004? This is ABbO. I don’t know anyone terribly please with McCain. But he beats the alternative.
this is the stupidest thing that I hear from people.
and I hear it all the damned time and it erks me to no end
people vote againt someone or against a stance and that is idiotic.
why not vote FOR someone or a cause ,and if not then dont vote at all.
you have a choice you dont Have to vote for someone or something that you do not agree with
its people like this that screw up things because they vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
example is the sherriff in our county
he is raceist,he has promoted the unethical treatment of citizens and breaching of privacy
he has sent swat teams to peoples houses for “training exersizes” on people that owe money on a traffic ticket.and when these people get injured over a 10 mph over speed limit ticket or something else as trivial
he states you wouldnt have been hurt if you didnt get involved with MY system to begin with.
and millions of dollars a year go out in setelments for wrongful death suits due to beatings in there jail,conducted by the employees of said jails.
one case,was a man that was mentally ill and derainged,he was without his meds and he was lost on the streets.
instead of the officer taking him to a hospital to find out what was wrong,he took him to jail
where he was bound to a restraint chair,had a mask places on his head,sprayed with chemical mace, and choked to death.
the officer that did the choking was quoted on camera yelling ta the guy,YOU THINK YOUR A BAD MOTHERFUCKER,YOUR NOT BAD WHEN YOU CANT BREATH.
the man was crying for his family because he didnt know where he was or what was going on.
then during the trial the sherriff laughed and told the judge “I dont tell you how to do your job,dont you dare tell me how to do mine,or my deputies how to do thiers”
this officer is back on the job today.
there was another guy that was legally blind and he was killed by being beat by officers after not complying with an order to “walk over there”
conuntless other cases go unanswered.
people vote this corrupt funds misusing bastard into the seat because there isnt anyone else they like. even though these actions are public knowledge
fucking idiots the whole lot of them
end of rant sorry
Fucking christ dude! That’s horrible.
Where in Arizona ARE you?[/quote]
look up Arpaio you will get a good eyefull on this douch.
oh ya thats the guys name not my town btw
I live in phx
few examples off wiki.
Charles Agster, a mentally handicapped man who was killed in the County Jail shortly after being arrested on misdemeanor loitering charges. The subsequent lawsuit resulted in a $9 million dollar verdict against the office
Brian Crenshaw was a blind inmate allegedly beaten into a coma by guards working under Arpaio. Crenshaw suffered injuries that included a perforated intestine and a broken neck. He later died at a local hospital. When asked about the incident, Arpaio insisted, “The man fell off a bunk.”[18] Crenshaw’s family filed a lawsuit against Arpaio and his office, which resulted in an award of $2 million dollars.[19] As in the Scott Norberg case, it was alleged that Arpaio’s office destroyed evidence in the case. In the Crenshaw case, the attorney who represented the case before a jury alleged digital video evidence was destroyed.
Richard Post was a paraplegic inmate arrested in 1996 for possession of marijuana and criminal trespass. Post was placed in a restraint chair by guards and his neck was broken in the process. The event, caught on video, shows guards smiling and laughing while Post is being injured. Because of his injuries, Post has lost much of the use of his arms.[21] Post settled his claims against the Sheriff’s office for $800,000
theres more but read for your self I dont want this being a huge long hijack
again sorry for the hijack
but my point is this the the type of shit that voting for the lesser of 2 will get you.
hell look where our economy is headed now because we wanted to vote that way already.
its about time to get our heads our of our asses and do things right.
but I dont see that happening soon so I will have my secluded ranch and I will deal with shit my self.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
Are we seriously going to disqualify from consideration any male politician who divorces his wife and marries a younger woman?
100meters wrote:
I know, it’s not like Republicans ever made an issue of “fidelity” and “family values” before, c’mon guys?
BostonBarrister wrote:
Yes, because anything that’s related to something that’s ever been claimed as an issue before by the other side in its attempt to obscure the real issue (hint: lying under oath is bad for the chief law enforcement officer) must always be an issue, right? Now let’s find out what McCain and Obama think about the Sedition Act…
100meters wrote:
Odd, because I’m pretty sure “family values” went beyond President Clinton. It appears to be a pretty consistent sub-theme of republican candidates.[/quote]
Yes, the entire “family values” platform was about marital fidelity in candidates. That was even a major plank… Um, no.
At any rate, to the extent one was upset with McCain on how he ended his marriage over twenty years ago, I think one could make the counter argument that he has redeemed himself in his second marriage.