The Wife John McCain Left Behind

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
100 meters,

You know I was wrong about one previous remark. I said that those making 60-k or more are considered rich by Obama.

What haven’t you been wrong about?

Obama’s tax increase effects the top quintile. That’s a wee bit more than 60,000.

you would get more from Obama than McCain.

What is it about Obama repealing the Bush tax cuts that you don’t understand? He has said several times that this is his intention.

It’s very simple.

Everyone who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts will now feel the sting of them going away. That means that if you make 50-k you WILL pay more taxes under Obama than under McCain. About 2-k or so more.

Most who support the socialist Obama acknowledge this fact. You should do the same.

Mick, that is not a tax increase. Repealing a tax cut is not an increase. Just because your taxes go up does not mean they increase. Keep telling yourself that and maybe you will understand Obamalogic.[/quote]
Repealing a tax cut isn’t even a repeal if it is not in fact ever repealed. Except in mccain logic. The repeal effects the top quintile. Not 50k earners.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
100 meters,

You know I was wrong about one previous remark. I said that those making 60-k or more are considered rich by Obama.

What haven’t you been wrong about?

Obama’s tax increase effects the top quintile. That’s a wee bit more than 60,000.

you would get more from Obama than McCain.

What is it about Obama repealing the Bush tax cuts that you don’t understand? He has said several times that this is his intention.

It’s very simple.

Everyone who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts will now feel the sting of them going away. That means that if you make 50-k you WILL pay more taxes under Obama than under McCain. About 2-k or so more.

Most who support the socialist Obama acknowledge this fact. You should do the same.

Mick, that is not a tax increase. Repealing a tax cut is not an increase. Just because your taxes go up does not mean they increase. Keep telling yourself that and maybe you will understand Obamalogic.
Repealing a tax cut isn’t even a repeal if it is not in fact ever repealed. Except in mccain logic. The repeal effects the top quintile. Not 50k earners.
[/quote]

Bullshit

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
100 meters,

You know I was wrong about one previous remark. I said that those making 60-k or more are considered rich by Obama.

What haven’t you been wrong about?

Obama’s tax increase effects the top quintile. That’s a wee bit more than 60,000.

you would get more from Obama than McCain.

What is it about Obama repealing the Bush tax cuts that you don’t understand? He has said several times that this is his intention.

It’s very simple.

Everyone who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts will now feel the sting of them going away. That means that if you make 50-k you WILL pay more taxes under Obama than under McCain. About 2-k or so more.

Most who support the socialist Obama acknowledge this fact. You should do the same.

Mick, that is not a tax increase. Repealing a tax cut is not an increase. Just because your taxes go up does not mean they increase. Keep telling yourself that and maybe you will understand Obamalogic.
Repealing a tax cut isn’t even a repeal if it is not in fact ever repealed. Except in mccain logic. The repeal effects the top quintile. Not 50k earners.
[/quote]

What do you think the top quintile does with their money? Even Friedman believes in trickle-down economics. The less money the top quintile keeps, the fewer boats they’re going to buy (with associated deck hands and other $50K a year wage earners), the fewer domestic staff they’ll employ, the fewer trips they’ll take, the less they’ll invest in other companies…

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Oh well. Nobody cares about this. We’ll just keep praising McCain’s character as a war hero despite all those videos he made as a POW for the NVA, the Keating scandal, and his behavior at he POW hearings in the 90s. Let the Straight Talk Express continue.

That is ridiculous to the point of offensiveness. McCain endured torture for 5 years, and I think it’s patently absurd to criticize him if he broke under torture and made a video. He declined to be sent home early, and helped the other prisoners keep up their morale.

As for Keating - conviction or even charges against McCain? No.

And as for behavior, I can imagine his gumption getting up at suggestions that he didn’t care about POWs in Viet Nam, given his history…

This is pretty piss-poor stuff. There are plenty of policy reasons why McCain isn’t ideal - but this is junk.
[/quote]

I know him by his fruits. I saw what he pulled in 2006 with that amnesty bill and I’ll never vote for him. He stabbed his own people in the back.

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[quote]GreenMountains wrote:
This is a pathetic attempt at character assassination. They divorced seven years after he returned and he still pays her medical bills and she has nothing bad to say about him. This is not journalism. It is a tabloid hatchet job with nothing to back up the assertion.

Thought Obama was bringing change. Guess his worshippers didn�??t get the memo. Or maybe they got the real memo and it is politics as usual.

[/quote]

Agreed.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

It’s very simple.

Everyone who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts will now feel the sting of them going away. That means that if you make 50-k you WILL pay more taxes under Obama than under McCain. About 2-k or so more.

Most who support the socialist Obama acknowledge this fact. You should do the same.

IF you make 50k.
you wil get.
3x more.
under obama.
Jeezus GO READ THE PLANS!

So, your saying that he only wants to repeal the tax cut for those evil rich people.

Well…I’m not buying that, but let’s just say that it’s true.

That means that all of those evil rich people who make 65-k or more will feel the wrath of the tax cut repeal.

Questions:

  1. Do you honestly feel that those making 65-k are “rich”?

  2. Do you think that raising taxes is going to help the economy in the long run, if so how?

  3. Can you understand that when taxes are raised on people who own businesses (small or large) that they simply pass those costs on to their customers?

Okay, I can understand liberals buying into the whole “guns kill people” bullshit. I can even understand to a degree why liberals don’t care if babies get ripped from their mothers womb in the name of feminism. Hey it won’t effect you directly right? And, you rationalize, it is the Mothers decsion.

But…

for the life of me I will never understand why any liberals who are actually working hard and making a good living want to give such an inefficient government more of their hard earned dollars.

If I live to be 100 I will never get that one.

I want each and every person who is thinking about voting for Obama to look into a mirror and look square into their own eyes and say this:

“I do not pay high enough taxes I really want to pay more”.

If you can actually do that say…three times in a row without laughing at the stupid notion, or making yourself sick then you truly are a starry eyed fucked up liberal and should be voting for Obama.

[/quote]
People making $65,000 still getting 3x more under Obama than McCain.

It’s just the top quintile.
the top quintile.
got it?
the top quintile.
not the bottom four.

So rephrase question 1.

!. Do you really think income earners in the top earning quintile are rich?

Well fucking duh!?

what a douche!

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[quote]100meters wrote:
People making $65,000 still getting 3x more under Obama than McCain.

It’s just the top quintile.
the top quintile.
got it?
the top quintile.
not the bottom four.

So rephrase question 1.

!. Do you really think income earners in the top earning quintile are rich?

Well fucking duh!?

what a douche![/quote]

I can respect the fact that you’re a liberal (sorta). But you’re holy fucking bad at argueing. Adress the small buisness statement, adress the inneficient government statement, You’re just like obama, you talk a lot but say nothing.

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[quote]100meters wrote:

People making $65,000 still getting 3x more under Obama than McCain.

[/quote]

Question, because I’m lazy - where in the Brookings Institute comparison of the plans does it account for Obama letting the Bush tax cuts expire? In my brief perusal I didn’t see that…

Also, does it account for a cap-gains tax raise?

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
100meters wrote:

People making $65,000 still getting 3x more under Obama than McCain.

Question, because I’m lazy - where in the Brookings Institute comparison of the plans does it account for Obama letting the Bush tax cuts expire? In my brief perusal I didn’t see that…

Also, does it account for a cap-gains tax raise?

[/quote]

The tax cuts only expire for the 36% and 39.6% rates (the same groups effected by the capitol gains increase.)

edit: from page 8 of their pdf:

B. Senator Obama�??s Plan

Partial extension of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. Senator Obama has called for extending the
tax cuts affecting the middle class while eliminating those benefitting the wealthiest Americans.
According to the campaign, this means that Obama would extend the child credit expansions; the
changes to marriage bonuses and penalties; and the 10, 15, 25, and 28 percent income tax rates,
as well as the lower tax rates on capital gains and qualified dividends for taxpayers in those four
tax brackets. He would restore the 36 and 39.6 percent rates and increase the rate on capital gains
and dividends for taxpayers in those brackets.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

It’s very simple.

Everyone who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts will now feel the sting of them going away. That means that if you make 50-k you WILL pay more taxes under Obama than under McCain. About 2-k or so more.

Most who support the socialist Obama acknowledge this fact. You should do the same.

IF you make 50k.
you wil get.
3x more.
under obama.
Jeezus GO READ THE PLANS!

So, your saying that he only wants to repeal the tax cut for those evil rich people.

Well…I’m not buying that, but let’s just say that it’s true.

That means that all of those evil rich people who make 65-k or more will feel the wrath of the tax cut repeal.

Questions:

  1. Do you honestly feel that those making 65-k are “rich”?

  2. Do you think that raising taxes is going to help the economy in the long run, if so how?

  3. Can you understand that when taxes are raised on people who own businesses (small or large) that they simply pass those costs on to their customers?

Okay, I can understand liberals buying into the whole “guns kill people” bullshit. I can even understand to a degree why liberals don’t care if babies get ripped from their mothers womb in the name of feminism. Hey it won’t effect you directly right? And, you rationalize, it is the Mothers decsion.

But…

for the life of me I will never understand why any liberals who are actually working hard and making a good living want to give such an inefficient government more of their hard earned dollars.

If I live to be 100 I will never get that one.

I want each and every person who is thinking about voting for Obama to look into a mirror and look square into their own eyes and say this:

“I do not pay high enough taxes I really want to pay more”.

If you can actually do that say…three times in a row without laughing at the stupid notion, or making yourself sick then you truly are a starry eyed fucked up liberal and should be voting for Obama.

People making $65,000 still getting 3x more under Obama than McCain.

BULLSHIT

[/quote]

Analysts say Obama offers three times the tax break for middle class
By KEVIN LANDRIGAN, Staff Writer
klandrigan@nashuatelegraph.com

CONCORD �?? The tax cut plan of Democratic nominee to be Barack Obama offers three times the break for middle class families than proposals of likely Republican nominee John McCain, according to analysts working for a left-leaning think tank.

Families making between $37,595 and $66,354 of annual income with Obama would get an average tax cut of $1,042 per family while McCain�??s tax cut for this group would be $319, the report states.

�??The choice in November for tax policy may be the largest voters have ever had in this country,�?? said Jason Furman, director of economic policy for Barack Obama�??s campaign.

�??John McCain�??s tax cut is far larger, more regressive and far more radical than anything President George W. Bush has ever proposed. Barack Obama is proposing one of the largest income tax cuts for the middle class in American history.�??

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/NEWSBLOG/244217910

Truly you are a douche.
Please troll elsewhere.

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[quote]

100meters wrote:

People making $65,000 still getting 3x more under Obama than McCain.

BostonBarrister wrote:
Question, because I’m lazy - where in the Brookings Institute comparison of the plans does it account for Obama letting the Bush tax cuts expire? In my brief perusal I didn’t see that…

Also, does it account for a cap-gains tax raise?

100meters wrote:
The tax cuts only expire for the 36% and 39.6% rates (the same groups effected by the capitol gains increase.)

edit: from page 8 of their pdf:

B. Senator Obama�??s Plan

Partial extension of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. Senator Obama has called for extending the
tax cuts affecting the middle class while eliminating those benefitting the wealthiest Americans.
According to the campaign, this means that Obama would extend the child credit expansions; the
changes to marriage bonuses and penalties; and the 10, 15, 25, and 28 percent income tax rates,
as well as the lower tax rates on capital gains and qualified dividends for taxpayers in those four
tax brackets. He would restore the 36 and 39.6 percent rates and increase the rate on capital gains
and dividends for taxpayers in those brackets.[/quote]

Interesting.

He wants to take capital gains from a flat tax (well, except for that stupid holding-period BS) and make it more socialistic? I had understood he just wanted to raise cap gains taxes in the normal manner…

I’ll look forward to reading a centrist comparison, and a right-oriented comparison, of the two proposed plans.

BTW, I’m going to use this response to object to the Orwellian technique of describing McCain’s tax cuts as regressive. Even if they work out exactly as the left-wing critique describes them, they aren’t regressive, in that they don’t increase taxes on poorer people. They would result in a less progressive system - under a total dollars measure rather than a percentage of income measure - but they would not be regressive.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

100meters wrote:

People making $65,000 still getting 3x more under Obama than McCain.

BostonBarrister wrote:
Question, because I’m lazy - where in the Brookings Institute comparison of the plans does it account for Obama letting the Bush tax cuts expire? In my brief perusal I didn’t see that…

Also, does it account for a cap-gains tax raise?

100meters wrote:
The tax cuts only expire for the 36% and 39.6% rates (the same groups effected by the capitol gains increase.)

edit: from page 8 of their pdf:

B. Senator Obama�??s Plan

Partial extension of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. Senator Obama has called for extending the
tax cuts affecting the middle class while eliminating those benefitting the wealthiest Americans.
According to the campaign, this means that Obama would extend the child credit expansions; the
changes to marriage bonuses and penalties; and the 10, 15, 25, and 28 percent income tax rates,
as well as the lower tax rates on capital gains and qualified dividends for taxpayers in those four
tax brackets. He would restore the 36 and 39.6 percent rates and increase the rate on capital gains
and dividends for taxpayers in those brackets.

Interesting.

He wants to take capital gains from a flat tax (well, except for that stupid holding-period BS) and make it more socialistic? I had understood he just wanted to raise cap gains taxes in the normal manner…

I’ll look forward to reading a centrist comparison, and a right-oriented comparison, of the two proposed plans.

BTW, I’m going to use this response to object to the Orwellian technique of describing McCain’s tax cuts as regressive. Even if they work out exactly as the left-wing critique describes them, they aren’t regressive, in that they don’t increase taxes on poorer people. They would result in a less progressive system - under a total dollars measure rather than a percentage of income measure - but they would not be regressive.[/quote]

How about a response objecting to the absolute stupidity of Mick28.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

You’ve been called out about 5 times on Obama repealing the Bush tax cuts. Your answer is…oh wait you have no answer.

You’ve also been reminded by far smarter people than you that the capital gains tax is going up as well under the Obama plan. Now tell us all Mr. liberal genius…don’t you think that middle class people purchase stocks?

Obama’s tax increases hurt everyone.

The funniest part about most of your posts is that not only can’t you prove your point (as it is impossible to do), you act all indignant when someone calls you out on your falsehoods.

You really are one very stupid bastard.

[/quote]
Hmmm…

Mick28, how many middle class folks are in the top quintile?

(your answer should be zero)

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Repealing a tax cut isn’t even a repeal if it is not in fact ever repealed. Except in mccain logic. The repeal effects the top quintile. Not 50k earners.

Bullshit[/quote]
Funny.

Apparently lots of 50k workers in that top quintile. How’d that happen?