I think it is more a location thing than an education thing. Besides if we’re talking college/university educated because these are basically ruled by the radical left. Breading grounds for DEM voters. So there i think it’s more a community thing than an education thing. If everybody around you at college is a DEM or expects you to be one, most people are not gonna stray.
Borderline conspiracy theorist rhetoric.
I mentioned my university enforcing a woke/progressive agenda. I forgot to state however that this only relates to on-campus regulations. If you’re living in dorms or a studio apartment on campus one needs to complete various courses for regulatory bodies running the show to dictate whether someone is a suitable candidate for residency.
The courses associated with ascertaining suitability tend to be fairly progressive, with some laughably woke terminology/conceptualised ways of thinking employed. Despite this, no one really follows all the rules/regulations asked of them and people are allowed to think for themselves without fear of ostracism.
In actual class/labs and workshops politics are NEVER mentioned. Students are allowed, dare I say ENCOURAGED to think independently. There are people of all sorts/types within my course. I’ve found certain courses, particularly arts/philosophical degrees (and global politics!!!) tend to harbour left leaning students. Otherwise I see no distinct correlation, aside from the fact those in the outback (esp the uneducated) tend to lean fairly conservative. Those within performance arts, theatre and the likes tend to lean left… Otherwise it’s a fairly even mix.
Problem is, whether conservative or progressive neither main party here makes much of a difference. They’re both equally useless and parrot nanny state bullshit 24/7. They’re both more/less centre right parties (barely right wing though), both labour and liberal are enveloped within Nanny state antics. @Beyond_Beyond probably agrees with me, albeit for different reasons. Politics in Aus is rifle with bullshit and excess red tape.
One of the most conservative/far right students I know is a med student (very intelligent bloke) who legitimately believes the left are the source of most world conflicts.
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I have found myself thinking about this topic a bit lately (in regards as to why education seems tied to which party one votes for). I’ve heard what you are saying as an explanation (or a similar explanation).
I wouldn’t say universities are ruled by the radical left. I think they (professors) independently are left wing (most of course). I don’t think there is a nefarious link between politicians on the left and universities.
I think we probably agree that most professors and university staff are left leaning. I think we probably agree that there isn’t direct influence from politicians on the left onto universities. Why is it then that they are left leaning? Is it the right’s tendency to reject science? Not sure if this is true in Germany. In the US, some GoP politicians have stated disbelief in evolution for example, or stated the age of the earth as being around 6000 years.
I guess I am trying to figure out why these universities seem so drawn to the left? If the explanation is that its because your peers are left leaning therefore you have a much higher probability of being left leaning, then I think that begs the question, how did it get started? What influenced these professors years ago to be overwhelmingly left leaning?
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They are and it’s not coming from the profs. It’s a small subset of students students like 10% who are really radical, then 80% who largely agree with the 10% but aren’t interested in fighting.
The 10% rule the universities. Did you see what happens when guys like Ben Shapiro go to university? It’s not the profs who are screening bloody murder
Outside of the arts/global politics, this doesn’t appear to be the case here.
What’s more, speaking my mind won’t lead to me being cast out either. I was surprisingly pleased about this, as my initial observations had me believe political discourse within university would be confined to a left wing echo chamber.
But I’ll repeat myself, this doesn’t appear to be the case. Young adults living on res care a loooot more about going out than they care about politics. Those who do care about politics, even if they harbour radical or unorthodox ideologies don’t appear to be particularly preachy/pushy about it.
And no… It’s not 10% radical, 80% largely left wing. It’s more like… 2% radical, 65% left leaning. I haven’t seen a single BLM poster, a single chant for antifa/pro anarchist rhetoric, any mention of abortion, gun control etc. People talk about climate change, relatively unimportant political agendas like cannabis legalisation, make jokes about covid-19 because of how ridiculous some of our restrictions are/were etc.
But serious, radical political discourse? Naaa, some campaign against domestic violence; though that’s not radical… Thats a just cause and a very serious societal issue that needs to be further highlighted
There is no brainwashing, everyone just wants to get along and make the most of their newfound independence.
This doesn’t really match up with my university experience. I’ll say that there were more liberals than conservatives. Maybe being in engineering I was isolated a bit?
I don’t think that really any reasonable speaker should be prohibited at University. I happen to not like Shapiro (I think his debate tactics are often dishonest), but I think he should be allowed to speak. I don’t see an issue with others speaking out against him either though.
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I’d guess because academia isn’t 100% money driven like the reality the rest of us live in. Academia is all about ideas, teaching, learning and betterring our young people for a better future. It’s not all about that paper chase and beating the competition. There is a lot of room for idealism and altruism in the co-op environment that most college experiences provide.
No one in academia is getting rich, but that’s fine because no one went in thinking they were. Because money isn’t the main driver, academia values other goals ahead of simply making money.
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Nick Saban? Think he got over 9 million last year as a university employee. Good use of tax payer dollars.
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Lol. Yes, the head ball coach is always the highest paid public employee in the state. Big-time college sports (sports in general) should be separated from academia.
And honestly, the amount of increased revenue saban has brought the state and university is WELL worth that $9million/year
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At my university these were all over the campus. Some radicals even painted every walk way through university with some feminist BS. People were going to BLM and Christopher street day like it was spring break and if you drop one sentence that you are conservative or you like freedom of speech you got 5 people screaming in your face while the rest of the good hearted party people watch. Also antifa signs are everywhere, there is not a table without one and not a toilet where you can take a piss while not starring at antifa stickers. This was the case at both universities I’ve been to. And this is in freaking Germany; Not in the US.
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I don’t know how one can claim this while in American universities speeches of conservatives are routinely shut down and met with not only protests but actual violent interference.
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Aight
So this is an interesting conflict wherein I’m not sure if an amicable solution can be found wherein both sides of the equation will reach an agreement.
Under British rule, Israel (originally Palestine) was declared “a home of the Jews/Palestinians alike” post WWI. From hereout tensions have arisen between both sides.
Post WWII Israel has been declared a Jewish state in part due to no other countries wishing to house a population now in disarray, having been torn from their homes and subjected to extreme barbaric cruelty during the holocaust.
I’m not going to go on about the nature/specific details of past conflicts and wars between Palestinians and Israeli occupants unless this debate gains some traction, as there are some important yet long/drawn out points to make.
As of today, I have my criticisms. Both pertaining to the Israeli government/IDF and far more so the conduct stemming from GAZA/the West bank (pertaining to Hamas/the Palestinian authority).
You see, Hamas is/has been designated a terrorist organisation by much of the developed (and even undeveloped world). They’re antisemitic, misogynistic, violent, religious extremists involved in arms trafficking and more. They employ tactics not limited to suicide bombing, intentionally killing/putting civilians in harm’s way, digging tunnels to access otherwise restricted territory, rocket fire and more.
When the media refers to Israeli rocket fire, 99% of the time it’s done in retaliation to rocket fire from Hamas. I have a family member who lives in Israel (not giving details) I recall going there and he showed me a missile that hit the ground of a boarding school children attend… Thankfully the missile didn’t go off.
The Palestinian authority aren’t much better. Barring accusations of widespread corruption (ditto with Benjamin Netanyahu), they have a martyr policy of which pays off and rewards families who have a member of whom has martyred themself (suicide bombing). Independent investigations from European authorities have also shown educational curriculums within the region are steeped with propaganda, with an aim being to “destroy Israel and the Jewish state”. This is literally within their legislature, one can read this.
I’d actually be all for giving Israel back to the Palestinians if I didn’t believe it’d result in a massacre of Jews/the Jewish population being forcibly driven out and the country turned into… Well… What much of the middle east currently is. A religious theocracy rifle with poverty, sky high rates of sexual violence, low average life expectancy, religious extremism, high rates of drug trafficking, addiction and terrorism… You get my point.
My criticisms for the IDF? Most Palestinians are innocent civilians caught up in the conflict/agenda pushed by people in charge. Blockades forcing people to get up at 3am just to cross the border for work are inhumane. As is some of the excessive force occasionally used against innocent civilians (sometimes resulting in death). But when terrorism/religious extremism is a problem, what alternative do we have? I’m sure there are more humane ways to tackle this issue, but I’m not sure/don’t have any educated guess as to what the solution is or could be at this moment.
The difference between the two opposing forces IMO is. In Palestine if someone kills a Jew/IDF soldier, chances are they or their family will be rewarded. If an IDF soldier is found guilty of serious misconduct, they’re likely to be sanctioned or imprisoned.
Fairly progressive drafts proposing peace agreements have been proposed. They’re typically shot down by the Palestinian authority. Why would an organisation hell bent on destroying the Jewish state/people wish to broker a peace agreement?
Hamas is a dictatorship, they were voted in ONCE almost two decades ago, now the civilian populace can’t get them out. The Palestinian authority may be voted out eventually following widespread protests, but alternative parties have also been designated as terrorist organisations. It should be noted the Palestinian authority receives quite a bit of funding yearly yet very little goes into finding infrastructure development, educational facilities, employment and access to healthcare/food for the civilians. A portion of the humanitarian crisis is self inflicted by a corrupt government/funding terrorism to an extent.
I feel for the Palestinians caught up in this conflict by no choice of their own… I really do. But at this current moment I sure as shit wouldn’t want the Palestinian authority or Hamas in control of things. At the same time I want Benjamin Netanyahu out, peace certainly won’t come about with him in charge.
Quote from Hamas charter “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees”… Wouldn’t want them in charge…
The left wing stance on this is generally “you’re islamaphobic, they’re poor as a direct result of Israel. Look at the power of the IDF vs Hamas #oppression. People are dying and it’s all the IDF’s fault (failing to take into account Hamas tends to fire rockets first and literally force civilians into firing zones, the IDF usually warn prior to firing/bombing areas)”.
Sometimes I believe veiled antisemitism may be present within the FAR left. This was certainly apparent within the UK and may be apparent here within the Greens party.
anti-Semitism is very real and flourishing contrary to what some may believe. Im generally wary of telling people I’m Jewish due to some of the things I’ve been called as a result of my religious identity (despite not even being religious aside from occasionally/habitually putting on tefililn in private). It’s irritating, because I don’t believe religious affiliation ought to make a difference as to how one is treated. People wouldn’t guess it anyway, I’m a far cry away from any stereotype in appearance.
To @brickhead if you aren’t comfortable discussing this on here but wish to discuss this you can send me an email (in bio, provided you wish to talk about this). I’d be relatively comfortable giving you my real email or even my Facebook if you decide to shoot me an email over this. All conversations that occur through my email remain confidential. People sometimes email be about bodybuilding related subject matter, used to happen quite often but I don’t frequent the pharma forum all that much anymore.
A reporter from Israel told me the difference is that the Palestinians will send their children to die which is something Israelis can’t even imagine doing.
This is certainly true amongst the religious extremists/Hamas. Some are also forced/coerced under the guise of financial incentive… Which is really, really sad 
, imagine being so poor you have to send a child to be sacrificed in order to feed your family as to avoid death by starvation.
I can’t even comprehend something so horrible. Regardless this doesn’t excuse such conduct as suicide bombing tends to lead to mass casualties.
Otherwise, normal Palestinians certainly wouldn’t do this unless forced by say… Hamas (and this does happen).
This is in my opinion very accurate, your whole post is very very close to what I think.
To the quote: this could be seen when “Palestine” was in control of the holy sites. Jews were t allowed to visit, while when israel is in control, everybody is allowed in there. Good example what would happen if Palestine’s current leaders would gain any power over the region.
Have you ever been to Israel? Beautiful place!!!
Tel aviv is my favourite, seconded by Jerusalem due to the historical sights one can view up close
The sea over there is so warm!
Replying here, don’t wish to derail Idaho’s thread
I have to deal with quite a bit of alcohol mediated stupidity on a weekly basis as drinking absurd amounts with regularity is heavily encouraged here, it’s considered odd if you aren’t drinking. I can’t tell you the amount of times people ask me “are you drinking tonight?” “Bro, what are you gonna be drinking tonight”. Discussing the beverage I’ll be consuming on a given night doesn’t pass for an interesting conversation to me. It’s like discussing strains of pot… Who cares, albeit at least with strains there’s purportedly a spectrum of differing effects; albeit I’ve never noticed a difference. It’s all just “weed” to me if using recreational.
I mean… Seriously, this kind of shit (going out and getting hammered) was exciting for me when I was like… Seventeen… At this point I see no allure to getting drunk like that (or getting that fucked up on anything). The game is so repetitive. Pregame by getting as drunk as possible on cheap wine/spirits and playing obnoxious drinking games. Coordination is immensely impaired and everyone becomes less able to hold a coherent conversation. Then you go clubbing and dance to shitty house music all night, you leave, eat McDonald’s and come home. By this time half the group has either passed out, puked or done something really fucking stupid.
This isn’t to say I don’t mind going out and getting loose once every now and again, but there are alternatives to alcohol that I vastly prefer of which have a shorter duration of action, less (or negated entirely) of a hangover, have fewer undesirable effects etc. Even the more toxic alternatives appear to be preferable. The euphoria derived from getting tipsy/a little bit drunk is strong, though I dislike the macronutrient breakdown within alcohol, the level of systemic toxicity and how it negatively skews athletic performance and body composition. Can’t get an erection when drunk either (at least I can’t), so that’s problematic.
The regularity by which I have to look after people who can’t look after themselves has left me with somewhat of a disdain towards alcohol. You can’t leave those in a bad way following excess consumption either, it’d be unethical and it’d weigh in my conscious if something bad happened.
I’ve also been around those who had or have drinking problems, albeit despite the destruction this can wreck upon familial/friendly relationships; this wasn’t what has almost totally put me off. Rather seeing near fatal injuries/accidents, fights, deviant behaviour, risky and regrettable sexual encounters, all sorts of gross bodily fluids etc has me stumped that it’s somehow so societally accepted to get plastered regularly. One of my co-workers drinks about half a litre of vodka per day and no one bats an eye, so long as it isn’t “drugs” it’s okay. Now, I’m not stating either ought to be openly accepted as two wrongs don’t make a right, though I do dislike blatant hypocrisy on the basis of ignorance.
I believe drinking patterns/the ability to self regulate increases with age, I don’t mind a glass of scotch with perhaps a cigar (#cancer… Had a nice Nicaraguan cigar last night), but I can’t get behind shoving funnels down my throat to consume one beer every six seconds (yes, I am able to do this and it is a neat party trick… But it’s so fucking stupid). Perhaps when I’m older things will change, but as things stand where they are I can’t stand drinking with others my age. Even crossing the realm into illicit territory, the game still appears to be “how can I get obnoxiously fucked up”. There’s no enjoying the moment, it’s a continual chase for more whilst at the same time failing to realise that TOO much almost always equates to having a bad time
And let’s talk about the frequency this is done. Getting plastered 3x/wk when you’re supposed to be studying at college is retarded… If your hedonistic habits are impeding academic performance perhaps you ought to look into the frequency by which you’re choosing vice over future employment prospects? Maybe you have a problem? Though binge drinking is so engrained here no one sees it this way. I hate the mentality that it’s somehow a right of passage to get absolutely shitfaced on a regular basis here. Imagine talking about any other substance and saying “yea I took X last night and punched some guy in the face, fucked my friends girl in the disabled bathroom, went home, blacked out and fell unconscious and woke up this morning covered in my own vomit.”
With alcohol people seem to be very understanding, “it happens to the best of us”. Well it fucking shouldn’t… There is no excuse for this shit. Imagine if you were to reiterate such a story replacing alcohol with virtually anything else. You’d be considered a god damned lunatic.
Sorry for the rant, I’m just very irritated with this paradigm and how at times I’m practically forced to drink. I’ll be sitting eating a nice dinner and all of a sudden a beer will be shoved into my hand and everyone will say “@unreal24278, you’re playing now”.
I know everyone means well, but I don’t want to be drinking if I have class the next day and I certainly don’t see the allure behind the same repetitive activities that lead to negative outcomes for many being repeated over and over and over. I’m sick of people asking if I’m drinking, then badgering me if I say “I’m not”. There are few who can relate to my stance though, sometimes I’m actually not drinking and staying sober, to which the teetotaling adult crowd commend me for my responsibility… But I’m not teetotal, so they can’t relate. Sometimes I just swap out booze for something else as despite risking a jail sentence/criminal record for it. I’d like to think I’m not degenerate criminal scum for doing this say once every month or two (weed is a different story. I do that like once a week as a treat at night to wind down after a hard week). What I may do occasionally in place of spending 100$+ on alcohol in one night is no different in my mind than drinking the way plenty of college students do on multiple occasions per week.
Even then, interacting with a bunch of drunk kids when relatively clear headed is irritating.
This isn’t to say my demographic doesn’t also do what I do, though it’s typically combined with copious amounts of alcohol and booze is always the no#1 as it’s perceived as cheaper despite this not being the case when you see plenty end up spending 200$ or so on alcohol within a single night. At this point I see little allure behind going past the state between the tipping point of tipsy and drunk. There is no fun in becoming paralytically drunk, so why do people keep repeating this? Am I wrong? Is there fun to be had in hurling over a toilet bowl for a good portion of the night?
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Haha. You know I’d travel to China a lot in the past. Since I don’t sleep much, I usually ended up hanging around the hotel clubs late at night alone. I’d normally run into a White dude or 2 and they’d normally come over and chat with me when they saw I was alone at the bar counter. I think I have some kind of invisible “I speak English” sign on my forehead.
Every time I met Australians, I ALWAYS ended up being told stories of alcohol binges and large events where everyone ends up drunk and zombified in public the next morning lol. Only Australians.
It… fucking… sucks
Our binge drinking culture is purportedly one of the worst in the world despite our alcohol prices being arguably the highest (at a bar/club it’s like 10$/drink, sometimes more)
There are other obnoxious elements associated with this culture. If people say… take something else, it always needs to be in conjunction with something else… typically once again a WHOLE lot of alcohol. But these combinations are dangerous. Any drug/alcohol intake is associated with risk, why would you want to magnify the perceived risk up into the stratosphere. A common combination with kids here because it’s cheap is MDMA + alcohol = potential for fatal dehydration, increased risk of cardiac arrhythmia, CNS stimulation allows you to drink more and when it wears off fatal respiratory depression can occur.
Why are people so stupid in this manner, polypharmacy in the context exponentially increases the risk of a negative outcome. I also tend to believe drugs and alcohol ruin novelty. Why go out and do something rewarding when you can get drunk/whatever. As a result I’ve found with university students nearly every activity unanimously needs to be associated with drinking and its frustrating.
I for one don’t find getting blackout drunk in the same context/situational parameters to be all that sweet. Yet others appear to think it’s the bees knees, nothing can top it. Well I can think of about a million things I’d rather do. Hell, take me on a hike, to swim in the ocean, for a scenic cycle, to go see a movie. Paintballing is fun, even laser tag (albeit somewhat juvenile)… though the latest request was “let’s play laser tag drunk!”… or let’s not… fucking do that… what could POSSIBLY go wrong with that scenario?
Or hell, I’d rather eat a “brownie” and giggle like an idiot while playing cards against humanity, then watching a movie.
I have many of these stories as I’ve been to these events, sometimes I’ve even participated (albeit this is rare as I dislike getting totally hammered)
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I dunno man. The guys I’ve met all seemed to be really proud of it lol. I even met a father and teenage son duo and both were half drunk already and boasting about their drinking escapades.