How about that?
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Lol this is a fantastic video! I’ve seen it before
Fantastic rebuttal
Why are you so concerned about LSD, even if it indeed they aren’t destructive as the other drugs?
Perhaps I’ll post more thoroughly later. For now I’ll ask, if your employer one day has what you think are silly rules, will you follow them?
You have some ideas that clearly many people you live amongst aren’t concerned with. It also appears you have generalized angst and a beef with the way the vast majority of the world runs things in what they think is suitable for them. That’s not a good spot to be in.
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It’s just an example I give… I’ve actually never taken it. But I’ve used shrooms… In terms of the amount of harm induced (addictive potential, level of systemic toxicity induced) that of which LSD has the potential to induce is minimal, yet it’s a substance one will net significant fines or jail time for possessing. Absent of behavioural alteration, (I’ve seen some incredibly erratic behaviour from those under the influence who took despite having underlying psychiatric disorders… about on par with booze) it’s one of the safer substances one can take.
of course I’ll follow the rules. There’s a clear distinction between rules set by society and rules set by an employer. This distinction is… I’m making money, I’m grateful to be making money. One could say “you should be grateful to have a roof over you’re head, not be living in a third world country under the regime communist dictatorship” Once again… moot point as I’ve specified above, just because other places are worse doesn’t equate to me having to accept current injustices.
Entirely untrue, we have political movements in Aus designated to societal reform and/or of which have drug reform as prime key-points within their agenda.
- The Hemp Party
- The Greens
- The liberal democrats (libertarian)
- Keep Sydney open
Even Labour (equiv of democrats) are getting on board with pill testing.
Let’s keep this discussion civil, if you could refrain from making comments about my character it’d be much appreciated. You disagree with my ideologies/conveyed political opinion just as I think you’re perhaps a little bit too conservative. What you preach is “just accept it, this is how it is…”… I say “no, without advocation nothing is achieved”. My cause isn’t a health based one, it’s about sensibility, justice (especially for those profiled, the sheer disproportion regarding indigenous vs Caucasian prisoners is absurd) and reform.
This isn’t about what I as an individual think, it’s about a harm minimisation strategy. If the way society runs inherently induces harm to a large demographic, things need to change. 6.2 percent of Australians have used crystal methamphetamine.. and I’d argue the statistic is even higher than thought. This is an alarming revelation… Some people my age and younger of whom I know have used this, a different approach needs to be trialled. We NEED to reduce the usage of this particular compound within society, it’s wrecking havoc amongst families, communities… people are dying… Yet we can’t exactly lock up or execute 6.2 percent of the population. Many aren’t aware to the sheer level of harm this substance can induce, especially rural/uneducated communities.
About me not being in a “good spot”… I don’t intend to live in Australia, barring societal reasons, as this isn’t NEARLY a good enough reason to move away… the cost of living in Australia given the rising prices of property has become absurd. The average price for a house in in Melbourne is 970,000$… Furthermore we continually raise the minimum wage, failing to account for the fact that inflation proportionately increases with said wage rises. A meal at KFC will cost me 20$+, food, gas, clothes, everything here is exorbitantly expensive (a tank for my car… which lasts about 350K, costs 110$… granted it’s a gas guzzler, the point stands). Property prices continue to rise at a rapid and disproportionate rate…
As an adult, living somewhere engrained within a more progressive society would be preferable
Also, regarding the morbidly-obese food addict versus drug addict issue, perhaps we can consider that most people aren’t concerned with a few morbidly obese but perhaps burdensome people and the existence of bariatric surgeons and weight loss centers isn’t the same as a methadone clinic up the block with drug users walking around the town and leaning syringes on benches, trains, buses, and the ground.
Have you ever eaten lunch in a park with clearly-high drug users around you and also with some sober fat people in a restaurant? Notice any difference. I have.
Methadone is prescribed as maintenance… not within dosages high enough to allow the individual to nod off…
Yes… Theres a suburb about 1.5 hrs from me where the safe injection clinic is… you’ll see many under the influence of opiates/heroin around that area. They don’t harm anyone when they’re high, and it’s few and far in between
Once again, my notion of reform/legalisation stems from a “how much harm does this induce” standpoint… there’s a huge difference between crack, heroin and say psilocybin, weed or even MDMA… the difference isn’t comparable
They used this of their own volition. Why must others be so understanding and sympathetic to them and make all sorts of adjustments for them. I said I don’t want people’s lives destroyed in prison for use, but they are adults who make their own decisions. If by adult ages they didn’t know the risks and problems they cause for themselves and others, why do they have to be handled with nothing but kid gloves?!
Many who start using are around 14-15… unaware of the potential repercussions. In consequence to their use they ruin their own life. We need to make adjustments to cater towards public education, esp in rural communities (the towns most ravaged tend to be rural). Prison doesn’t work, makes the problem worse upon release (no opportunity for reasonable employment etc)… so what do we do?
Methamphetamine is one of those substances in which the user is a danger to both himself/herself and others around him/her. We can’t condone or legalise the substance, the sheer amount of detriment induced is too high. This isn’t the same as the methamphetmaine hydrochloride sold in pill form (as a prescription medication or to be abused), the pharmacokinetics of crystallised methamphetamine when smoked, insufflated or injected differ, it’s far more potent… more dangerous…
Something needs to be done
In Canada there was a lady who got charged for having THC levels above the allowable limit and was taking the case to the supreme court, I haven’t heard anything about that lately but this law will get overturned soon enough because it makes no sense. THC is not like alcohol where the amount in your blood reflects impairment, and while weed is legal here they have no test for all the other things you could potentially become intoxicated by. You can take too much cough syrup or prescription painkillers but you won’t get charged unless you are visibly impaired, there is not reason why it should be different with weed.
They only came out with these roadside tests after legalizing weed, which is bizarre. One of the arguments in favor of legalization was that resources were being wasted enforcing laws related to weed rather than going after serious criminals. There were police chiefs and police unions saying that with legalization we now need MORE resources for enforcement, blah blah blah, completely backwards. The police are trying to stay relevant (and ask for increased funding and more officers) for things that no longer need enforcement.
They even stopped going after people selling weed for the last few years and it was being openly sold in stores (some of which did get shut down) but now that it’s legal they are after small time dealers again, it’s the government protecting their investments. Not long ago you would have gotten in more trouble getting caught with black market cigarettes than weed, it’s all about money.
Umm yeah. I’ve worked around such patients. They are addicted, making them seek such treatment. And many of them remain drug addicts. My renal nurse friend has people taking alcohol and drugs while receiving dialysis. They need help for sure, but they’re not blame or accountability free, just as my former addict family member and friend wasnt. You play, you pay! It they don’t have family, friends, co workers, and a place of worship to turn to for help to get them through it, then they likely didn’t invest in human connections in the first place. My friend and family member likely wouldn’t get through it without such precious investment.
And no, I’m not as simple as “just follow rules”
Yeah. I’m aware. Some, not all.
These cases aren’t getting overturned in Aus… as a matter of fact they’re pulling out these drug busses testing for trace amounts in record amounts. As you’ve stated, literature proves salival/blood concentration of THC isn’t correlated with impairment. Furthermore it supposedly costs around 20$ per test per citizen to conduct… it’s a waste of resources. A roadside sobriety test would be more beneficial than these ineffective machines that’ll ping you days after use
I disagree with dealing. I believe selling drugs, putting the health of others within you’re hands is tremendously irresponsible, though some will disagree with me… state “they’ve CHOSEN to buy it off me”… well okay, did you test the chemicals (re agent testing isn’t good enough) prior to selling them? Probably not
Here in Ottawa there is a safe injection site right next to a homeless shelter, right downtown. It’s not a nice scene around there, and it’s not only opiates being used. Fights and stabbings are common, murders happen around there every once in a while too. The brother of a guy I know was killed there last year.
I used to live a couple blocks from there and walk past on the way to work. In the summer at 6:30 am they are already smoking weed, crack, meth, and who knows what else, right in the open. Welfare day is like a block party.
Okay…
Furthermore
Understandable, many maintenance clinics here will require patients to take random screenings, urine tests can typically detect illicit drug use well after usage has been initiated.
Furthermore as an argument to my aspect of societal reform. You still fail to see the difference between softer and harder substances. Many substances aren’t as addictive as crack, heroin, cocaine or alcohol. These substances shouldn’t be categorised within the same schedule, nor should penalties be rigorously enforced for the possession or use of said substances. Otherwise in which if we are being “fair” you would probably be jailed for drinking if a harm reductionist approach was taken, barring substance of which are extremely prone to abuse/have the potential too induce immense levels of harm.
People fail to account that a very small portion of those who use substances recreationally represent addicts.
Where I routinely strolled around and ate lunch for five years they weren’t well behaved. Hence I wasn’t as relaxed as when I do the same as my town. No I wasn’t scared out of my wits, but I only used one earbud to listen to my phone, and was well aware of my surroundings. That’s not the same infringement on my freedom as some obese people at the pool and restaurant.
Maybe youdont mind such behavior but others do. I don’t know one freaking adult who would be unconcerned with a methadone clinic up the block from their kids school. Not one…
Not here yet either, but see this:
But how else can people get a substance that isn’t available otherwise? While it’s legal here, for a while there were no weed stores and the government web site was sold out. If I wanted to buy weed legally I would have to go way out of my way to get it, but if you know a dealer then it would be much more convenient. Not saying I support weed dealers, but there is a reason they are still in business.
Also, don’t you take steroids?
I’m sorry for you’re loss
But what else are we supposed to do? These people are hooked, without access to clean needles the notion of blood Bourne disease transmission is present, further clogging up the healthcare system.
In my state, public drunkenness and open consumption of alcohol is legal… I don’t see this to be very different. I see ABSURDLY drunk people all the time if I go out to the city for a night out (far away, I live on a farm)… Some of these people WILL try start fights for no good reason… but other, comparatively less dangerous substances are illegal… it’s a double standard
But public drunkenness is accepted here… alright…
I can considering I’ve been around and known all sorts of people who use or used drugs.
I’ve also Noticed a certain life pattern for those with high interest in drug use GENERALLY, and those who don’t give a shit about ANY of them.
I don’t see how this is relevant. I’m prescribed 150mg test weekly as TRT… I take about 200-225mg weekly (the rest being nandrolone, I find it lessens the level of chronic pain I have to deal with on a daily basis absent of having to take opioids or have cortisone shots repeatedly administered). Beginner cycle is around 500mg weekly.
I’ve dabbled with orals for a week or two every now and then. My use is very conservative