Yes, But it depends on the brand. Pharmacies will have ugl stuff packaged like normal, legal brands too. I don’t think the animal grade stuff is legal either. The police stuff is probably true when you purchase the ugl stuff. I’ve not heard of it but stuff like this is normal in certain parts of S.E Asia especially if you’re a foreigner.
I was smoking with a Thai-Chinese friend near a police post. There were off duty/plain clothes cops watching us because I look nothing like a Thai. He threw his cigarette on the ground and within 5 secs he was caught and brought to the station. The fuckers were obviously waiting to see if they could get some “coffee money” out of us.
Then he came back out and told me they were going originally going to “fine” him but they let him go because he was a local. “Fine” obviously means they would make him pay the penalty but keep it off the books. If I had been the one who was caught, I would have had to pay.
They sell ugl/non ugl product, but the non UGL product is UGL product packaged under the guise of pharmaceutical product. The police can shake you down over non pharmaceutical products, which means that regardless of procuring blatant UGL product or not you might get shaken down. Seems like a catch 22
Then if the police don’t accept a bribe, you go to jail. Seems odd that “steroid vacations” are purportedly fairly popular here (Aus→Thailand)
Logic would tell me right off the bat it isn’t worth it. Have you seen the conditions pertaining to some of these jails up there… It’s horrible…
I know that programs like this exist. I don’t know the extent of their use or benefit.
Hell yeah they are. Spending that “golden hour” waiting for a helicopter would have to suck. I know I kinda like being 15 minutes from a cardiac cath lab and 20-30 from 3 of the best trauma units in the country/world.
Yeah, I dunno. That stuff is complicated. Some people like the remoteness. It’s all give and take.
Yeah. You can check them out online. They’re packaged nicely with original serial numbers that you have to scrap some shiny sticker off to see.
But the stuff about the police probably isn’t common. Back in the 2000s my dealer friends would fly to Thailand and get their supplies there.
Nowadays China is a better option since the quality is good. For Thai shit, some are purportedly underdosed. There are even elaborately faked versions of UGL brands that are underdosed. I think they spend more on the packaging than the roids. It’s absurd. At least the China dudes understand the importance of customer retention lol.
I’ve hypothetically been off for a couple of years and don’t plan on doing anything unless my test levels go below 500 or I experience any symptoms of low T.
Mike is a really an anomaly when it comes to marketing himself. He’s not only convinced his fans he’s natty while not pissing off the ones who know he’s not, he managed to sell fucking duck eggs for $500 and few people gave him shit for it.
I think a lot of these fitness gurus cater towards a younger, male demographic. It isn’t product placement/advertising that bothers me so much as the marketing of a vision/dream towards a vulnerable crowd that is clearly unattainable.
People like Mike O Hearn probably attract a large base because they are (typically) tall, shredded and good looking. It’s (typically) a teenage boys fantasy to look that way. IMO marketing such a look as attainable enforces unrealistic societal expectations.
It isn’t to say you can’t look good naturally, but many appear to vastly overestimate how fast one can make progress. You also can’t have dick skin, capped delts without juice and 19 inch biceps unless you have like… a myostatin deficiency.
On the same page, many appear to think using gear negates the need to train/diet. I’ll be honest here, it’s partially correct. You can have a natural male training/dieting his ass off vs some guy using an idiotic amount of gear and haphazardly going to the gym 2-3 x/wk. the guy on gear will probably make equatable/superior gains, that isn’t to say they won’t pay for using 700mg tren/wk + 100mg anadrol/day + 350mg Test/wk for prolonged periods of time later on in life. What comes up must come down.
They’ve had studies conducted regarding this, those administered high dose testosterone (without exercise) appear to accrue muscle mass at a greater rate than would otherwise be attainable naturally (like 17lbs in 5 months etc)
So, I’m gonna preface this by saying that it’s fucking hilarious, and also 100% realistic. I’ve had conversations like this with people who were “sober”.
Man this is really upsetting to see. I’ve seen/heard similar rationale. I don’t feel comfortable going into personal anecdotes, but at times it appears those heavily dependant on just about anything will come up with mental gymnastics as to justify why a certain pattern of behaviour isn’t problematic/self destructive. I have to admit I’ve been guilty of this myself, albeit I’ve never been addicted to anything. I can’t imagine/couldn’t realistically comprehend how terrible being a slave to any vice must be be it gambling, sex, drugs.
It also appears fairly common (from what I’ve seen) for some prior addicts to swap one extreme for another (i.e prior methamphetamine addict getting heavily involved with exercise and at times, steroids. Prior alcoholics/heroin addict getting heavily, heavily involved with religion). Perhaps this serves to settle cravings, satisfy certain neurological demands?
The tequila rationale is amusing, as is the prospect of using cocaine because it isn’t crack cocaine. What’s even more interesting is that I’ve literally heard the exact same rationale before “cocaine is fine at parties and it isn’t crack”… and “I drink, just not tequila… tequila drunk is a different kind of drunk”.
Ethanol is ethanol, cocaine is cocaine (albeit crack is more prone to inducing addiction).
There is a lot to that. Some of it may be getting the rush/feel good chemicals, some to assuage fears or insecurities, there are lots of different emotional and neurological variables that go into these things.
That was kind of how I started drinking again once upon a time. I bottomed out with booze, then quit. After a while I picked up heroin because “I never really had a problem with heroin!” . Then once that got out of hand I started drinking again because “Hey, It’s not heroin. That stuff is fucked!”.
Well,gotta sign off. Had a rain delay, but it’s clearing up now. Later.
What the hell is going on down there?? When I was there it seemed like a really chill, free place. Don’t yall have democracy? Can’t you vote these cocksuckers out?
Roadblocks for drug testing? That’s madness. What if you have a script? Or you walked into a clould of coke by accident or something? What do they do to you anyway if you are caught?
Can you explain how this works? I am a little confused. They stop you at a road block and what, test your saliva make yoIu piss, ask you for a cum sample? How does this work and what do they do to you if your positive?
I take it marijuana is not legal Down Under, huh?
I had aspirations of moving there for a couple of years to kinda chill out from the rest of the world and live in ignorant bliss with some little aussie hottie with that cool accent.
I guess it depends on how you look at it, literally!
My problem with the drug thing is that mostly the consequences are a result of the laws and not the drug itself. Most people do drugs and function fine. The minority go off the rails. So absent the legal consequences what are most of the consequences of drug use? Well frequent drug use has obvious health and well being consequences. It also can damage families with major drug habits, but the question there is, would these family dynamics fair better if there were not legal consequences.
This whole debacle deserves a rethink. The war on drugs is an unmitigated disaster. I understand some regulation is necessary, but jail and crime and punishment does not help, it makes it worse. My utopia is you have a man named George, he does coke, that’s just what he does. If we are going to spend any money on drugs it should be for help.
I disagree with this whole narrative that sobriety is the best state for everyone. Says who? And why should anyone care about that opinion. It’s just like an asshole, everybody has one. Who get’s to say that you are a bad person because you like to put chemicals into your own body. As long as nobody else is getting hurt? Who cares?
Circling back around, it’s hard to think of many cases where the consequences of doing drugs isn’t all related to the criminal justice system. Take that out, and what’s the real problem?
Well, I am willing to learn. I don’t expect you to go into any personal detail and perhaps I am glazing. I admit I don’t know what the depths of the drug problem are outside the legal consequences. So if you want to expound, I would be interested.
Well depending on the drug at hand you could be looking at cardiac complications, kidney/bladder disease, hepatotoxicity, neurotoxicity, antisocial behaviour, pronounced respiratory depression, peptic ulcers, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, nasal septum deviation and more.
I tend to agree the laws are detrimental/induce unnecessary suffering. I also tend to agree that perhaps only a minority are prone to addiction aside from hard drugs like opiates, cocaine, methamphetamine etc. Regardless of addiction, the health related ramifications can be extensive. Drug use, even acute intake CAN fuck you sideways.
Even cannabis can induce serious complications, look up cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome.
What about caffeine and nicotine? It seems the majority are prone to addiction on those bad boys. I am mostly joking with those, but even though they are not going to make you high as a kite, they are very addicting.
It depends on environmental factors among other things. If you live in a shithole and get introduced to opiates, good luck. The majority will get addicted. Seen too many in my youth to believe otherwise. If you’re talking about functional users with good jobs and high standards of living it’s probably different.
. Then once that got out of hand I started drinking again because “Hey, It’s not heroin. That stuff is fucked!”.