Over here, prisoners aren’t exactly safe in prisons either. Doesn’t make us free folks question constantly giving the government more power to protect us.
Yeah.
And yeah.
So what about people that really want to blast off then? I don’t like to get a little bit high. I like to get completely kooked.
If I just want to feel a little perky, I have a cup of coffee. When I want to do coke, I want to do a half oz. over the course of a few days.
Or a buddy of mine. He was a surgeon. After 20-30 hrs. in the OR doing a multi organ transplant he liked to wind down with some ketamine. Maybe some ghb. Any number of benzos and more often than not a nice shot of fentanyl.
And a nurse buddy who was a busy guy but needed to stay cool but still upright would speedball epinephrine and morphine.
What you’re describing is like polite drug use.
What about the animals? The ones that like to really blast off,
Can we get like a pilots license or something that allows us to use lots of the good drugs?
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LOL. If only drugs weren’t habit forming! I’d be all over this in that case 
I’ve only known 2 people who could hit the “hard” drugs like coke and such and not become hooked (no needles though, and no meth). That shit doesn’t happen realistically.
Although I do have to confess I have never heard of the combo epinephrine and morphine. No way in hell I would ever try that but it does make me wonder.
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The medical pros know how to party. A few of them have told me about a couple of their favorite cocktails that would knock your socks off!
And discretely installed midlines to avoid those messy track marks and collapsed veins!
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Holy shit lol. I never thought of that. Perk of medical supply inventory at work
Some part of my id is very curious about these cocktails. Actually that’s not true, it’s the chemist in me.
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I actually know quite a few (in relation to cocaine and opiates). Barring substances like heroin , crack and methamphetamine its statistically a minority that get flat out hooked. With alcohol you’ll find the top say… 2% of drinkers in terms of consumption rates probably purchase more alcohol in a month compared to what the avg joe would buy in a year. Also, I’m aware heroin is an opioid, but one can’t really compare heroin to say… tramadol.
I never stated my idea of regulatory framework was perfect, I believe it’s better than the alternative. I don’t believe cocaine should/could be legally sold like alcohol or cigarettes given how destructive/toxic this particular substance is.
Yes, exactly (akin to getting tipsy/drunk vs slamming twenty shots). If we are referring to dosing, say MDMA would be packaged in 150mg dosages or with LSD say 125ug (fairly strong, enough for a very good time). However you’ve got kids who use upwards 600-1000mg MDMA or 600ug LSD, that’s insane… why (not judging, I just don’t see the point). Under a legalised framework I don’t think it’d be a good idea to allow ease of access to such dosing. This isn’t to say then product won’t reach other avenues allowing for those to purchase higher dosages if they wish. But at the very least the product procured will probably be pure.
A different framework in relation to legalisation/decriminalisation would be abolishing the notion of criminal penalties for minor possession and setting up areas allowing for substance testing. It actually looks like they’re doing this in the ACT (Australia).
That sounds terrifying (the epinephrine part).
There are outliers regarding patterns of use and those how prone one is to addiction. My proposed idea isn’t perfect, it just beats throwing people in jail because they’ve got a pill on them and/or having people take substances that are potentially cut to shit with potentially lethal contaminants. It should also be noted I’m thinking about Australian society here. In Aus cocaine costs between 3-400$/gram, good luck taking half an oz over here… people don’t take that much here unless they’re incredibly wealthy. Cocaine is one of those substances that in particular appears to encourage compulsive re-dosing given the short duration of action + comedown post use; coupled with how toxic it is and I can’t for-see it being legally sold OTC.
By “the good drugs” are you referring to the harder substances? In which case as I’ve stated advocating for decriminalisation as opposed to legalisation would be my way to go. Under such a motto people wouldn’t be criminally charged (a civil penalty might still apply) for possession. Though public use would remain an offence.
Instead of criticising my hypothetical proposal, I’d prefer to hear what you think should be done? That being said
Isn’t this kind of a pilots license to use the harder stuff if absolutely required? Albeit not within the fashion you are speaking of
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Is this common? Wouldn’t there a record kept regarding the quantity/supply the drugs stored within hospitals?
He made his stance clear on these in his post, right? It’s why I asked for his opinion on all these different categories.
It’s hard to have a conversation on this topic within the proper contexts because the term “drugs” covers weed to heroin.
I’m giving you another perspective.
You like drugs. You want them to be legal, but just enough for you to use and have fun with.
What about people who like to use different drugs or more of them?
It’s a great big world with lots of ideas about what things are and how they should be.
Isn’t there room for them too?
I don’t want some bureaucrat telling me I can only use 600 mics of lsd, or saying that a gram of coke is plenty for me to have a good time with, just like you don’t want anybody telling you how much pot you can smoke or what ever else.
I am glad to see that you’re starting to compose arguments which stand on their own without resorting to “but alcohol though!”. If you want to advance something, it has to be on its own merit, not compared to or at the expense of something else.
It happens often enough. Records are kept, systems are in place (because it used to be absolutely rampant) but people find ways around it. Or they’re the one in charge of the system. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. And there’s plenty of will.
Literally lol-ed. Psychiatrist friend in China told me similar things. The fucker will even use some anti-psychotic drug cocktail to sleep through long flights lol.
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Yeah. I’m just introducing the idea of “That’s your idea of a good time, now here’s mine!”.
Typically, we can’t just have laws changed based on “cuz this is how I like it”, though some people of a much higher strata kind of can.
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Sort of, I’ve actually never taken MDMA but i’ve been around it a looooooooooooooooooooot. Same goes with other substances, the majority of what I’ve been surrounded with I’ve never taken. Hence it’s preferable to also hear input from those who have tried X, Y or Z.
I’ve been curious enough to try (singular) a few substances like ketamine (don’t feel comfortable giving out a comprehensive list). My opinion stems from anecdote + medical literature detailing harms induced by X substance.
Fair enough, I understand and can get on board with this train of thought. I wasn’t basing my proposed ideology on what I do/don’t like, rather from a harm minimisation perspective.
If I sold you (at the pharmacy) 125mg MDMA, it’s highly, HIGHLY unlikely you’ll have an adverse outcome (provided you are healthy). If I sold you 1000mg and you take it all in one night, the outcome might be fatal.
The objective would be to allow people a means to use relatively low risk substances in a low risk fashion if they’re going to take X, Y or Z anyway. This avoids the prospect of criminal penalty and subsequent potential needless incarceration, profits being made from criminal syndicates and allows for government taxation where money garnered could be put into rehabilitation facilities, harm reduction campaigns etc.
I suppose if alcohol can be sold in unlimited quantities to the masses, perhaps a dosage cap for other substances would be ill-advised. YeEt
Agreed completely. I’ve written before I lived around LOTS of heroin addicts when I was growing up in a shithole. It’s not something that can be taken lightly. Asians(and I think I read something similar in a Mario Puzo book before) used to think they’ve “lost their souls” and aren’t human anymore.
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I’d argue certain legislature tabled is actually put in place for this reason.
Freedom! Dying with dignity doesn’t have to be sad. It can include glow sticks.
I’m saying, in a round about way, that your argument has become more substantive, which is a good thing.
Yeah. Anymore It seems like behind every bill is a massive financial interest dressed up as being “the greater good”.
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I think it’s dependent on the harm associated with the use of a certain substance and/or the demeanour associated with intoxication. I’m not stating people should ever be locked up or criminalised for what they decide to do in relation to drug use, but selling crack over the counter doesn’t seem (to me) as if it could be done responsibly.
I was joking. You mentioned the “but alcohol” argument and in response made a comment about alcohol. I have an odd sense of humour
hahaha I think at that point it’d be more “sweating profusely, extensive tachycardia, grinding your teeth down into a fine white powder followed by extreme hyperthermia, having a massive seizure and death”.
As metaphors go, it’s a pretty good one. And in reality, after this last fentanyl episode, there are a lot of bodies.
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They pass a lot of bills in the Aus aimed at giving the police more and more power to raise revenue. You can’t make this shit up. In NSW parking your car with the window slightly cracked open incurs a 300$ fine, there was a case wherein someone was given this fine in their own driveway (there are dozens and dozens of examples like this)
But the problem is people don’t want to spend effort on rehabbing them when they adopt this mentality. I saw them being thrown into prison-like “rehab centers”, come out and the cycle starts again. I think you may agree with me on this.
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Yeah. I’m not sure how many times the state or locality will offer rehab as an option, but it is limited. But treating people like they’re a lost cause only reinforces what they already believe. That’s not good.
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