What product are we talking about? If large coorperations were to monopolise on shrooms I don’t think much revenue would be generated… there just isn’t that much appeal… or at least I don’t think there is…
In Aus where I live one can readily buy Peyote/San Pedro cacti… so, one psychedelic substance is already (theoretically) legal… although the extraction process isn’t legal…
Though supposedly you puke if you consume the cacti (aside from crystallized mescaline)
I don’t understand… we’re you depressed? Suicidal?
Why would one use heroin on the sole basis of “this might kill me”? Wouldn’t you want to implement harm reductionist strategies to try stay alive?
Say an addict gets a new batch, could they not initially try a fraction of their usual dose to make sure it isn’t laced/overdosed?
If you don’t feel comfortable talking about this that’s fine, totally understood… this is devolving into personal territory
Also doesn’t China white just refer to the substance not being that “black tar”, improperly/crudely manufactured dope?
Pertaining to black tar… I wonder what kind of systemic damage injecting such impurities will induce over time… god knows what they put in there… it looks like fucking tar!
I was under the impression when talking to my psychiatrist that it wasn’t going to be something you could take home. You would go in and have it delivered nasally and then stay there for a period of time. Probably haven’t asked her about it in about two years though. I didn’t need it or anything just was curious.
Anything that’s potentially promising in that area I hope gets moving soon. I’ve only been severely depressed one time in my life and it was the most miserable experience ever. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
I’m lucky I’ve only had two significant mental episodes with my bipolar. One was severe mania and paranoia when I was first diagnosed at 18. And the second was a deep depression when I was 33. Other than that it doesn’t really ever effect me and no one I tell I have it ever believes me that I have a diagnosis of bipolar.
But some people think depression is a bit of sadness or just going through a funk. True real deep depression is impossible to describe and horrifying. I couldn’t imagine those people who deal with it throughout their life.
I’m actually all for it, and even played some penny stocks on a couple of publicly traded medical/recreational MJ companies.
I don’t believe in making something illegal based on straight propaganda and religious zeal, and a few of the other manipulations that were perpetrated to make it illegal.
Philosophically I believe that even heroine Could be decriminalized if the risks are known to the user and all parties involved are in agreement on the legal ramifications and details. After all, about 6 months ago I was fully legally administered a metric shit ton of morphine and fentanyl.
In reality I know that is entirely impossible.
Yes and no. 100% addicted though.
No.
I don’t mind sharing some general, and even some specific personal experience.
I do have to wrap it up though. Time zones and all. Later.
You’re just as judgmental as all others here. His statement was not condescending. It was a harmless hunch.
Do you actually think most civic-minded, ordinary people with children, full-time-employment, and homes aren’t going to have some thoughts on some guy with such high interest in drug use? You might counter this with, “I don’t have high interest in it,” which I think you’ve said before, when meanwhile you’ve written thousands of words on this topic you hold dear. I don’t want mind altering drugs legal but if they were I’d think, “OK, they’re legal now. Great! Now don’t whine and yammer about how employers and ordinary people shun you all they want! Don’t complain how you’re being ‘othered’, that no one ‘understands’ you, and that people don’t like their public spaces being negatively effected by you and stay away from you.”
Ive noticed that about drug users as well as previous said observations above: this hang up on judgment. As if people aren’t going to be suspicious about chronic drug users. And I put monthly use of anything as chronic (eg, monthly use of MDMA).
Perhaps in addition to my thought experiment I described above, “covenant communities”, we can use an imagery test here too, something that might also put me at further odds with some in PWI and off topic.
Fellas, Let’s have Exhibit A: drug user (excluding pot). Think of Such a person and then go down the list: check or no check.
Trustworthy?
Prospective employee?
Prospective mate (or mate of your child, literally an addition to your family)?
Tolerance to stress?
High-functioning?
Impulsive or future-oriented?
Prospective friend?
Hedonistic (“if it feels good, do it”) or disciplined?
Exhibit B: Joe Blow, your classic everyman who goes to work, stays out of trouble, “goes along to get along” sort of guy, follows rules. has a family and a home. No drugs. Boring perhaps. Now go down the same checklist.
@marine77 there seems to be a belief that outlawing something doesn’t fight it, including drugs rather than having it legalized and out in the open, making it far more accessible. I don’t get this reasoning. I don’t want to use drugs, MDMA for example. But considering the way I live, its illegal status makes it much harder for me to obtain it, rather than if I knew a legal seller to get it. I don’t know a single person who uses it, and would have me doing some digging to get it. Like where would I go in my milquetoast town in my middle age? Randomly ask law abiding, family oriented people where to get this? Freak out young people in my gym by randomly asking where to get drugs? This is far more difficult than if the desired drug was legally obtainable.
The law actually completely deterred me from partaking in something I wanted to do as a youngster (not drugs). I was scared, as I should have been.
Not hard to obtain… If I so wished I could have someone at my doorstep with MDMA within fifteen minutes… AND I live rurally
I don’t though, I’m typically bored and want to talk about something… I was going to create a thread on gun control, but I was worried it’d piss a whole lot of people off… thought about creating a thread regarding collection differing opinions on the topic of immigration, rights of immigrants, once again I thought I might piss a LOT of people off given my ideologies… I don’t know why you’re getting angry with me, I haven’t harmed anyone, nor am I a detriment too society (though you may perceive this not to be the case)
Prior your said “you may think I’m some sort of hardass… but I’m not” yet here you are digging into me because I’m TALKING about mind altering substances? You’re views regarding what drug use entails pertaining to softer substances (in my opinion) are slightly out of whack… Just my opinion, not an attack. You similarly believe my beliefs pertaining to mind altering chemicals of lesser detriment to be flawed. You’ve seen the consequence stemming from hard drug use/addiction, as have I… I’ve also seen occasional drug use have absolutely no perceivable consequence for those involved.
The problem is, this is a spectrum. within modern society, many adults legitimately don’t care about soft drug use anymore. Especially within societies such as the Netherlands, making the blanket generalisation of “you’ll be shunned” doesn’t always stem true.
Monthly use of MDMA will lead to extensive neurodegeneration, cardiac manifestations down the line. Same could be said about those who get absolutely shitfaced (alcohol) once monthly… forty years down the line, consequences will be abundantly apparent.
To be fair, many know I smoke pot… even those who disapprove, they don’t dislike me on the sole basis of “he smokes pot”… I’m still a productive member within society, I harm no one. Even if I decide to say… try MDMA one day, I’m not harming anyone, it’s not going to kill my ability to hold down a job… if this is the case why can’t people mind their own business?
shouldn’t people be suspicious of those who drink… anyone who frequents bars on a weekly basis etc… double standards once again, esp considering acutely/if used sparingly, MDMA is arguably safer than alcohol (when both are abused)
Let’s actually do this! I’d be down to discuss a theoretical model of perfect society (it doesn’t have to be ethical either, say we could even weed out those such as myself… predisposed to health ailment, chronic pain etc).
Given how common MDMA usage is amongst Australian’s, certain politicians have come out stating they’ve used it… if someone popped a pill six months back I’m not inclined to think they’re not high functioning, that they have a low tolerance to stress… The HEDONISTIC aspect however, agreed… though I don’t believe it equates to a lack of discipline.
We clearly live amongst very different demographics. Myself being engrained within the lives of teenagers (within this current generation), drug use is rampant, common, normalised even… I don’t judge… to YOU, seeing someone snort a line of coke/pop a pill may seem shocking, out of the ordinary… If I see this at a party it’s just “ehh”
Not boring… I dislike it when people equate “boring” to “not doing drugs”… Perhaps Joe Blow likes to go skydiving, hang gliding, skis down black diamond slopes etc… drugs have nothing to do with being boring, as a matter of fact I’d say those who base their entire notion of having a good time around drugs are the boring ones.
The vast majority of teenagers I know would disagree with teenage you… I don’t know anyone who has been put off drug use by “the law”… what should really put you off is the statistics… in Australia a tablet of MDMA is statistically 32% MDMA, do you really want to roll the dice and see what the other 68% is? Granted MDMA related deaths are rare… but within the ACT (only area in AUS that permits pill testing) just about every festival/event comes up with at least one batch of pills said to harbour potentially lethal contaminants… unless you’ve actually got a testing kit on you, it’s somewhat akin to playing Russian roulette.
I’m sure there are plenty of typos here, I haven’t slept in over 36 hours (have been very anxious over a few things recently relating to changes within my life, dysfunction within my immediate family etc)
Also, regarding an employee, if a dude is smoking pot daily/heavily I wouldn’t exclude parameters from this list
being deleteriously altered. It depends on his demeanour, how the pot effects him as an individual. If he reminds you of the characters from Cheech and Choong “we’re smoking dog shit man”, I don’t rate that as being any more apt for employment compared to one that say… snorts ketamine on his lunch break, they’re both going to be equally useless.
Given the societal cross section I’ve met in recovery (which means they either currently or at one time self acknowledged or were diagnosed with a substance abuse disorder) there is no way to answer or use a table like that accurately.
I’ve met and hung out with, at the same table, at any given moment–cops, surgeons, homeless/formerly homeless, medium/large law partners/owners, Priests, pastors, rabbi, etc.
Really, drug use and abuse knows no bounds.
As I kept kicking around the idea for the society and how to construct it it, what it would be composed of, I just kept coming back to “take a 50 block square area from any town USA and everybody in it…”.
What do you mean table? Why is there a table involved, are we speaking about AA/NA… Rabbi’s at NA? Given Orthodox Judaism tends to somewhat shun western society this is rather surprising (unless it’s alcohol related, numerous yearly festivities within the Jewish religion openly condone binge drinking)
Pesach and “leaning to the left” to imitate drunkennness whilst downing large cups of wine (four very large, filled to the brim cups… more to celebrate etc)
And Purim " One must drink on Purim until that person cannot distinguish between cursing Haman and blessing Mordechai"… people get absolutely shitfaced, adults included.
Then there’s simchas Torah, the synogauges hold events where alcohol is given out en mass quantities… people go synogauge hopping… I recall being given like sixteen + shots when I was seventeen in under the span of two hours, had to go home early… If you refused to drink they’d say “come on, you can do this… one more… come on”… they’d practically force it down you’re throat… Granted not all synogauges would partake in this due to the sheer level of drunken debauchery that’d ensue
Not naming names or anything. Just describing some very typical professions and level of responsibility, station in life, etc.
Yes. They’re all there, though I typically stick to AA meetings. Different tone and environment even in the same building on a different night with the same people.
What’s the difference between the environments if you don’t mind me asking? wouldn’t both places have people with the same goal in mind (staying sober), sharing anecdotes etc
Not asking for names btw… I’d never ask of something so heinous… that’d be a breach of privacy, it’s none of my business who is/isn’t in NA/AA unless its say my mother, father or brother… or a close friend
I think generally drug use doesn’t discriminate. Common demoninators/environmental factors present can stem with numerous different demographics. I personally believe trauma, general lack of satisfaction with life, genetic predisposition, individualistic ideology play huge roles here… could be wrong though
Not so sure regarding the environmental aspect, otherwise I would’ve used cocaine, abused oxycodone etc… perhaps it effects everyone differently
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What’s the difference between the environments if you don’t mind me asking?
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It’s like the attitude changes. I’ve literally gone from an AA meeting to an NA meeting with the same people and all of the sudden they want to be really edgy and hard core. Like they just changed from Sidney Poitier to freakin Sid Vicious.
I understand the generalised rule of confidentiality… but given my close friends and family live thousands of miles away it’d be literally impossible for them to attend meetings in Western PA.
Edit: whoops, interpreted this within a literal sense… #autisticfail
@SkyzykS What I find profoundly interesting is… despite having first hand experience and observation alike regarding the havoc drugs can wreck upon ones life (Brickhead has anecdotal observation too… but not first hand experience… the same stems with me)
You two have VASTLY differing opinions regarding how to approach the topic. How do two people having witnessed similar consequence form opinions that differ so dramatically…