Oh yeah. You betcha.
Don’t get me wrong. I support full-legalization of every substance. Every. Substance.
Is this sarcasm… I don’t understand? Do you actually support the legalisation of every single substance… I mean as in heroin… legalised, over the counter etc
Yes. Full legalization.
In which case he did do something wrong… (in my opinion). I don’t condone dealing, personal usage is fine… but dealing puts the health of others within you’re hands, I believe that’s literally the equiv to having blood on you’re hands (though with cannabis it’s comparatively less serious compared to dealing fentanyl laced heroin)
That’s what I’m afraid of… Legalization will allow people that were afraid of the legal consequences of possessing or use to now freely imbibe. And we both know far too many people are too selfish to make the proper decision. More people will die as a result.
Out of curiosity… why? I’m for the legalisation of say
- cannabis
- shrooms
- LSD
- other psychedelic drugs barring NBOME/scopolamine
- MDMA
- Ketamine (this one is tricky)
but coke, crack, meth and heroin I can’t see being legalised… the risk/reward ratio is too great. Decriminalisation I believe in, flat out legalisation… no
In Indiana at the time it was a VERY low hurdle to get a felony. Any cultivation. Anything over an oz. Two bags of one gram each could be intent to distribute felony.
The seven grams I got busted with in ‘99 cost me thousands of dollars in travel, lawyer and court costs to get cleared up, and that was v after a night in jail and a cops finger up my ass.
Another fun anecdote, the jail guards missed the LSD in my wallet and forgot to lock our cell at one point in the night. We just wandered out, all of us very high and laughing like madmen.
I specifically recall how the head guard still tight rolled his pants like it was 1988…,
We’ve got data showcasing this isn’t the case. No one cares about legal consequence, Find me one person who wanted to experimented with drugs, but didn’t because of the law
My problems with regard to openly selling heroin absent of restriction like a beer, a cigarette or cannabis may be sold is… it’s just SO addictive
I don’t think many will be stupid enough to use heroin regardless of legalisation (same goes with crack, meth etc). But we can’t openly sell compounds of which are even more detrimental to society than alcohol (of which I perceive to just be cocaine, crack, meth and opiates when abused)
Lol you’ll still get a finger up the ass in NSW if a sniffer dog in a pub/train station or music festival sits down next to you (so weed, MDMA, meth etc)… these dogs don’t detect anything statistically. 2/3rds of the time… this is 2020
That’s silly. He sold the best weed around to a very small group of customers. If anything bad happened to people who smoked it that was on them, just like any other adult choice.
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No one is directly hurt by them other than consumers. Possession and trade are not crimes.
Why?
How so?
*edit to correct typo
You said he was growing commercial quantities to distribute. I interpreted this to mean “he’s a big time dealer”
Big time for that county? Definitely.
Big time for Pablo Escobar? No.
Hahahahahahaha
I know your intent wasn’t to make me laugh, but damn I did.
We play a different sport good sir.
Dude… I’ve been locking up dope dealers for years. People are afraid of the consequences of selling dope. Fewer sellers = fewer buyers. The more scarce the product the less likely a user is to find it. The dope addicts are so easy to spot and they avoid us like the plague. So do their dealers. Also, people are routinely drug tested for pre-employment and by their employers.
You really seem to think there are no negative consequences at all. I don’t g.a.f about “studies.” My studying has been first hand experience with drug dealers, users and movers. Not to mention the users in my own immediate family. I’ve yet to see a SINGLE doper that can function in a way that isn’t a detriment to themselves, their family and the society in which they live.
No use in any further debate. You want dope legalized. I don’t. No offense, but I’d wager a year’s worth of my pay that as you grow older and experience more of life your tune will change.
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Scientifically the detriment of said substances are lesser comparative to booze (both acutely and chronically when dosed reasonably). With coke/crack numerous cardiotoxic mechanisms are present from acute use
- beta adrenergic receptor upregulation
- catecholamine mediated vasoconstriction (dramatically increased demand for oxygen + vasoconstriction induces ischemia and thus cellular death in oxygen deprived cardiac myocytes)
Increased cardiac output + vasoconstriction can lead to coronary vasospasm, acute myocardial infarction etc.
Sodium channel blockade + all of the above can lead to Lethal arrythmia
Overdose can induce adrenergic storm… over time all mechanisms combined lead to dilated cardiomyopathy. Statistically the hour post coke use you’re 24x more likely to drop dead at any point for the next hour. Combine this with alcohol and hepatic transesterification leads to an even more toxic metabolite (roughly 20x more toxic than coke, so 20*24x chance of dropping dead at any given moment) called cocaethylene, duration of action is even longer
These are just a few of the reasons as to why I don’t believe cocaine can be sold otc
If I were to get into why I don’t think coke, meth, crack and H can be sold openly OTC vs other drugs, mechanisms of each drug justifying as too why they’re safe/not safe (how they interact with the human body on a cellular level we’d have like a 20,000 page writeup. There are certain medications that can be used to lessen coke induced cardiotoxicity, but they’re prescription only and most aren’t thinking of this/aren’t aware of the dangers associated with coke
Sure, believe what you wish whilst you continually enforce a failed war on drugs… I know MANY kids who deal, some continue dealing even after getting caught… I’ve smoked cannabis in environments where police are literally all over the place. I’ve been caught before (in America, though it wasn’t my fault)… It’s fairly easy to hit the legs when in the city (far away from my farm), it’s crowded… a cop says “stop”… quickly run and disappear into the crowd…
This is a condescending judgement, many adults will disagree with you’re ideology. If you have nothing constructive to add… don’t comment
I’ve stated cannabis can induce deleterious alteration in cognition if chronically abused. Explain to me why you don’t lock up those who drink excessively when you’re so obsessed with locking up those smoking weed?
I don’t understand… because I throw it out or because it lasts me many months
What have I done wrong?
Well statistically this isn’t the case, usage rates and the amount of dealers has been skyrocketing, esp with the development of the internet.
Many states are phasing out cannabis testing from employee drug tests…
Refuting science based on personal anecdote alone is profoundly ignorant… at the very least have a look at the studies, look at how societies that have decriminalised use have faired… Portugal in terms of incarceration, overdose rates, usage rates etc is doing a HELL of a lot better than the US and Aus currently