Was giddy when Rick chopped up Gareth. I like these faster storylines too.
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
Pretty happy they didn’t draw out the hunters story line for half a season. I hope they don’t rush the Beth abucution and rescue story line too much.[/quote]
Seems like Maggie would have been a little more interested in what happened to Beth and go searching for her, before going to DC. Or did Daryl even bring it up to her or the group?
[quote]js252 wrote:
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
Pretty happy they didn’t draw out the hunters story line for half a season. I hope they don’t rush the Beth abucution and rescue story line too much.[/quote]
Seems like Maggie would have been a little more interested in what happened to Beth and go searching for her, before going to DC. Or did Daryl even bring it up to her or the group? [/quote]
I don’t think he ever mentioned it.
Any ideas what it meant when Daryl said come on out? Is he only talking to Carol or are there other people? I don’t remember them meeting up with other people in the comic, but I read that a long time ago.
What a crappy episode. Beth needs to be killed off. She is a worthless character. I was hoping she was going to die at the end.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]js252 wrote:
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
Pretty happy they didn’t draw out the hunters story line for half a season. I hope they don’t rush the Beth abucution and rescue story line too much.[/quote]
Seems like Maggie would have been a little more interested in what happened to Beth and go searching for her, before going to DC. Or did Daryl even bring it up to her or the group? [/quote]
I don’t think he ever mentioned it.[/quote]
Well, we can presume it’s not Beth or Carol, given the last scene. Depends on how the time line is flowing.
I liked this episode. I kind of admired the booby-trap suicide — I presume her goal was to become a walker and surprise the bitch lady cop.
The episode was hard to watch with a doctor (my wife). She was giving a running commentary on the drugs which ruined things. Also, she would have drugged all the crappy cops and left. Made me look at my morning coffee very closely.
Feelings mixed on this episode.
IMO the pace was just too slow but I really liked the amount of mind-fucking and lies going on. I got this idea in my head that all the characters there were putting on a show and trying to trick/brain-wash Beth. But in the end it seems only the lady cop is doing this – the other characters were just lying for protection/their own goals I guess. The last small discussion about having a choice also added a nice element to it.
I think they could do a lot more with episodes like this where the majority of the cast is guest stars and they flesh out certain themes. When we only have the recurring cast we know their history, goals, selfish interest, relationship to one another etc…and though they MAY die, they’re not likely to. Since I didn’t know any of these characters in the last episode, it peaked my curiosity and kept me guessing more than I normally would.
Surprised there haven’t been any comments on this yet.
**SPOILER (if you didn’t watch last night’s episode) **
Mullet’s confession not a shock although I assumed it would’ve happened later in the season or, if he was legit, would have been off’d just as they arrived in D.C. Overall, I didn’t like the episode.
I liked it. Abraham is more than I first thought. I still think its still worth it for them to search out more CDC centers or places of sustainability/security. Didn’t need the porno… Back to the church I say!
On a side note, this week’s Hell On Wheels episode far surpassed Walking Dead on the violence and gore level.
[quote]LarryH wrote:
I liked it. Abraham is more than I first thought. I still think its still worth it for them to search out more CDC centers or places of sustainability/security. Didn’t need the porno… Back to the church I say!
On a side note, this week’s Hell On Wheels episode far surpassed Walking Dead on the violence and gore level.[/quote]
SPOILER (if you missed the episode last night):
On Talking Dead they talked about how the guys Abraham killed were his neighbors before society broke down, and that they’d raped his entire family while he was out on a supply run. Then he came back, saw what they’d done, and beat them all to death. Apparently anyone that’s read the comics would know this.
Given that fact, I find it hard to believe that his family would react to him meting out vengeance/justice with fear, especially his wife, and even more especially to the extent that she would be willing to put her and her children’s lives in danger to escape him.
The whole flashback sequence seems pretty fucking ridiculous. I was pissed when I saw that they’d run from him, but then I figured that maybe the guys were peaceful and Abraham had killed them in cold blood. I was really pissed when I found out what the men did to them that made Abraham go Hulk on their asses. It would go against every biological instinct for his wife to run from him in that situation. If anything, she’d be even more stuck to his hip than before. How is being on her own, with 2 kids and nobody to protect her, going to be safer than sleeping next to (presumably) the toughest, baddest motherfucker left alive?
If they even start an “Abraham has an anger problem” story line I’m going to lose my fucking mind. Hopefully they just move forward with the “Abraham has nothing to live for” story line like I think they’re going to. That way I can try to forget about the utter fucking stupidity of his back story and the reason he thinks he has nothing to live for.
They really need to get a better stylist on gingering Abraham.
Not knowing about the stuff Steel Nation just said I thought the back story was alright, but in that context I agree it sucks. I did think they did a good job in showing how hopeless and devastated he was and that he gained purpose and then lost it again. I’m glad they dealt with the phony story from mullet because I couldn’t stand not knowing if they were going to do some hokey plot like he described or was it hokey by design.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]LarryH wrote:
I liked it. Abraham is more than I first thought. I still think its still worth it for them to search out more CDC centers or places of sustainability/security. Didn’t need the porno… Back to the church I say!
On a side note, this week’s Hell On Wheels episode far surpassed Walking Dead on the violence and gore level.[/quote]
SPOILER (if you missed the episode last night):
On Talking Dead they talked about how the guys Abraham killed were his neighbors before society broke down, and that they’d raped his entire family while he was out on a supply run. Then he came back, saw what they’d done, and beat them all to death. Apparently anyone that’s read the comics would know this.
Given that fact, I find it hard to believe that his family would react to him meting out vengeance/justice with fear, especially his wife, and even more especially to the extent that she would be willing to put her and her children’s lives in danger to escape him.[/quote]
Remember Days of Our Farm? They thought Lori “Carl shouldn’t have a gun, Rick you have to do something permanent about Shane, Rick why did you kill Shane” Grimes was sympathetic. I know what you are saying. I just think the show sometimes fumbles what they are trying to show.
[quote]
The whole flashback sequence seems pretty fucking ridiculous. I was pissed when I saw that they’d run from him, but then I figured that maybe the guys were peaceful and Abraham had killed them in cold blood. I was really pissed when I found out what the men did to them that made Abraham go Hulk on their asses. It would go against every biological instinct for his wife to run from him in that situation. If anything, she’d be even more stuck to his hip than before. How is being on her own, with 2 kids and nobody to protect her, going to be safer than sleeping next to (presumably) the toughest, baddest motherfucker left alive?[/quote]
Watching I thought that was the angle they were going to take it.
[quote]
If they even start an “Abraham has an anger problem” story line I’m going to lose my fucking mind. Hopefully they just move forward with the “Abraham has nothing to live for” story line like I think they’re going to. That way I can try to forget about the utter fucking stupidity of his back story and the reason he thinks he has nothing to live for.[/quote]
Abraham is supposed to have an anger problem in that his default mode is “kill possible threat”. How they handle it is anyone’s guess at this point.
I liked the episode overall. I agree with your issues, but same shit happened when Carl killed the Woodberry kid. It looked “good” to me, but the characters and plot clearly meant for it to be “unnecessary”.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]debraD wrote:
They really need to get a better stylist on gingering Abraham.
Not knowing about the stuff Steel Nation just said I thought the back story was alright, but in that context I agree it sucks. I did think they did a good job in showing how hopeless and devastated he was and that he gained purpose and then lost it again. I’m glad they dealt with the phony story from mullet because I couldn’t stand not knowing if they were going to do some hokey plot like he described or was it hokey by design.[/quote]
I actually liked that flashback. It showed how spur of the moment Mullet’s lie was. Given any more time he could have come up with better. But he zigged stupid, then doubled down on it.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I liked the episode overall. I agree with your issues, but same shit happened when Carl killed the Woodberry kid. It looked “good” to me, but the characters and plot clearly meant for it to be “unnecessary”.
Regards,
Robert A
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Haha good point. I think the writers are assuming too much about the viewers aversion to killing.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
They really need to get a better stylist on gingering Abraham.
Not knowing about the stuff Steel Nation just said I thought the back story was alright, but in that context I agree it sucks. I did think they did a good job in showing how hopeless and devastated he was and that he gained purpose and then lost it again. I’m glad they dealt with the phony story from mullet because I couldn’t stand not knowing if they were going to do some hokey plot like he described or was it hokey by design.[/quote]
I actually liked that flashback. It showed how spur of the moment Mullet’s lie was. Given any more time he could have come up with better. But he zigged stupid, then doubled down on it.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
No I agree I think it did it’s job. I actually felt hopeless for Abraham at the end of the episode and especially since the damage had been done to Mullet and who knows what’ll happen to him now.
The whole avenging the rape of my family and now the old lady thinks I’m the bad guy part if they intend that to be a part of the story would bug me though because like Steel Nation says, it isn’t what I’d think the actual human response would be.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I liked the episode overall. I agree with your issues, but same shit happened when Carl killed the Woodberry kid. It looked “good” to me, but the characters and plot clearly meant for it to be “unnecessary”.
Regards,
Robert A
[/quote]
Haha good point. I think the writers are assuming too much about the viewers aversion to killing.
[/quote]
Yup. That and bad decision making to make a scene happen. This is why I say I am in an abusive relationship with the show.
Oh, also
Michonne 2016,
Robert A
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
They really need to get a better stylist on gingering Abraham.
Not knowing about the stuff Steel Nation just said I thought the back story was alright, but in that context I agree it sucks. I did think they did a good job in showing how hopeless and devastated he was and that he gained purpose and then lost it again. I’m glad they dealt with the phony story from mullet because I couldn’t stand not knowing if they were going to do some hokey plot like he described or was it hokey by design.[/quote]
I actually liked that flashback. It showed how spur of the moment Mullet’s lie was. Given any more time he could have come up with better. But he zigged stupid, then doubled down on it.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
No I agree I think it did it’s job. I actually felt hopeless for Abraham at the end of the episode and especially since the damage had been done to Mullet and who knows what’ll happen to him now.
The whole avenging the rape of my family and now the old lady thinks I’m the bad guy part if they intend that to be a part of the story would bug me though because like Steel Nation says, it isn’t what I’d think the actual human response would be.[/quote]
I think some of the writers think it is what the reaction SHOULD be though. They often show characters refuse to adjust to the “No one answers when you dial 9-1-1” paradigm. Lori Grimes was epic at that. Rick has periodic flashes where he won’t hurt a fucking fly, then he beats someone nearly to death.
I would like to think any non-delusional person, granted being raped by her neighbors may have knocked Mrs. Ford off the deep end, would do what Steel Nation wrote.
Michonne 2016,
Robert A
So is Eugene like dead or a vegetable now?
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
So is Eugene like dead or a vegetable now?[/quote]
I think he is just injured. The kind of injured that lasts a bit.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]LarryH wrote:
I liked it. Abraham is more than I first thought. I still think its still worth it for them to search out more CDC centers or places of sustainability/security. Didn’t need the porno… Back to the church I say!
On a side note, this week’s Hell On Wheels episode far surpassed Walking Dead on the violence and gore level.[/quote]
SPOILER (if you missed the episode last night):
On Talking Dead they talked about how the guys Abraham killed were his neighbors before society broke down, and that they’d raped his entire family while he was out on a supply run. Then he came back, saw what they’d done, and beat them all to death. Apparently anyone that’s read the comics would know this.
Given that fact, I find it hard to believe that his family would react to him meting out vengeance/justice with fear, especially his wife, and even more especially to the extent that she would be willing to put her and her children’s lives in danger to escape him.
The whole flashback sequence seems pretty fucking ridiculous. I was pissed when I saw that they’d run from him, but then I figured that maybe the guys were peaceful and Abraham had killed them in cold blood. I was really pissed when I found out what the men did to them that made Abraham go Hulk on their asses. It would go against every biological instinct for his wife to run from him in that situation. If anything, she’d be even more stuck to his hip than before. How is being on her own, with 2 kids and nobody to protect her, going to be safer than sleeping next to (presumably) the toughest, baddest motherfucker left alive?
If they even start an “Abraham has an anger problem” story line I’m going to lose my fucking mind. Hopefully they just move forward with the “Abraham has nothing to live for” story line like I think they’re going to. That way I can try to forget about the utter fucking stupidity of his back story and the reason he thinks he has nothing to live for.[/quote]
I don’t read the comics and I didn’t watch Talking Dead that night so what I saw was Abraham just protecting his own from an obvious threat (why else would he go berserk). Why she left was definitely confusing unless they intend to explain it later?
Be nice if they got their point across in the episode so we don’t HAVE to watch the after show.