The Walking Dead Season 5

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[quote]LarryH wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]LarryH wrote:
I liked it. Abraham is more than I first thought. I still think its still worth it for them to search out more CDC centers or places of sustainability/security. Didn’t need the porno… Back to the church I say!

On a side note, this week’s Hell On Wheels episode far surpassed Walking Dead on the violence and gore level.[/quote]

SPOILER (if you missed the episode last night):

On Talking Dead they talked about how the guys Abraham killed were his neighbors before society broke down, and that they’d raped his entire family while he was out on a supply run. Then he came back, saw what they’d done, and beat them all to death. Apparently anyone that’s read the comics would know this.

Given that fact, I find it hard to believe that his family would react to him meting out vengeance/justice with fear, especially his wife, and even more especially to the extent that she would be willing to put her and her children’s lives in danger to escape him.

The whole flashback sequence seems pretty fucking ridiculous. I was pissed when I saw that they’d run from him, but then I figured that maybe the guys were peaceful and Abraham had killed them in cold blood. I was really pissed when I found out what the men did to them that made Abraham go Hulk on their asses. It would go against every biological instinct for his wife to run from him in that situation. If anything, she’d be even more stuck to his hip than before. How is being on her own, with 2 kids and nobody to protect her, going to be safer than sleeping next to (presumably) the toughest, baddest motherfucker left alive?

If they even start an “Abraham has an anger problem” story line I’m going to lose my fucking mind. Hopefully they just move forward with the “Abraham has nothing to live for” story line like I think they’re going to. That way I can try to forget about the utter fucking stupidity of his back story and the reason he thinks he has nothing to live for.[/quote]

I don’t read the comics and I didn’t watch Talking Dead that night so what I saw was Abraham just protecting his own from an obvious threat (why else would he go berserk). Why she left was definitely confusing unless they intend to explain it later?
Be nice if they got their point across in the episode so we don’t HAVE to watch the after show.[/quote]

I’m not sure how someone would react after being raped much less watching your children being raped and add the fact that it was by people you knew. I didn’t see her reaction as strange, just shock. When she looked at him it just looked like she couldn’t tell the difference anymore.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]LarryH wrote:
I liked it. Abraham is more than I first thought. I still think its still worth it for them to search out more CDC centers or places of sustainability/security. Didn’t need the porno… Back to the church I say!

On a side note, this week’s Hell On Wheels episode far surpassed Walking Dead on the violence and gore level.[/quote]

SPOILER (if you missed the episode last night):

On Talking Dead they talked about how the guys Abraham killed were his neighbors before society broke down, and that they’d raped his entire family while he was out on a supply run. Then he came back, saw what they’d done, and beat them all to death. Apparently anyone that’s read the comics would know this.

Given that fact, I find it hard to believe that his family would react to him meting out vengeance/justice with fear, especially his wife, and even more especially to the extent that she would be willing to put her and her children’s lives in danger to escape him.

The whole flashback sequence seems pretty fucking ridiculous. I was pissed when I saw that they’d run from him, but then I figured that maybe the guys were peaceful and Abraham had killed them in cold blood. I was really pissed when I found out what the men did to them that made Abraham go Hulk on their asses. It would go against every biological instinct for his wife to run from him in that situation. If anything, she’d be even more stuck to his hip than before. How is being on her own, with 2 kids and nobody to protect her, going to be safer than sleeping next to (presumably) the toughest, baddest motherfucker left alive?

If they even start an “Abraham has an anger problem” story line I’m going to lose my fucking mind. Hopefully they just move forward with the “Abraham has nothing to live for” story line like I think they’re going to. That way I can try to forget about the utter fucking stupidity of his back story and the reason he thinks he has nothing to live for.[/quote]

yep. you voiced my thoughts EXACTLY. There is no way a woman would run away towards zombies when her man just killed the ones who raped her, her daughter and her son (since they said whole family). that part made no sense.

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

yep. you voiced my thoughts EXACTLY. There is no way a woman would run away towards zombies when her man just killed the ones who raped her, her daughter and her son (since they said whole family). that part made no sense.[/quote]

Of course logically it makes no sense, I feel the writers did this just to make him feel more despondent. Anyone have any ideas how it went down in the comic book? Did his family also run away from him there?

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]LarryH wrote:
I liked it. Abraham is more than I first thought. I still think its still worth it for them to search out more CDC centers or places of sustainability/security. Didn’t need the porno… Back to the church I say!

On a side note, this week’s Hell On Wheels episode far surpassed Walking Dead on the violence and gore level.[/quote]

SPOILER (if you missed the episode last night):

On Talking Dead they talked about how the guys Abraham killed were his neighbors before society broke down, and that they’d raped his entire family while he was out on a supply run. Then he came back, saw what they’d done, and beat them all to death. Apparently anyone that’s read the comics would know this.

Given that fact, I find it hard to believe that his family would react to him meting out vengeance/justice with fear, especially his wife, and even more especially to the extent that she would be willing to put her and her children’s lives in danger to escape him.

The whole flashback sequence seems pretty fucking ridiculous. I was pissed when I saw that they’d run from him, but then I figured that maybe the guys were peaceful and Abraham had killed them in cold blood. I was really pissed when I found out what the men did to them that made Abraham go Hulk on their asses. It would go against every biological instinct for his wife to run from him in that situation. If anything, she’d be even more stuck to his hip than before. How is being on her own, with 2 kids and nobody to protect her, going to be safer than sleeping next to (presumably) the toughest, baddest motherfucker left alive?

If they even start an “Abraham has an anger problem” story line I’m going to lose my fucking mind. Hopefully they just move forward with the “Abraham has nothing to live for” story line like I think they’re going to. That way I can try to forget about the utter fucking stupidity of his back story and the reason he thinks he has nothing to live for.[/quote]

yep. you voiced my thoughts EXACTLY. There is no way a woman would run away towards zombies when her man just killed the ones who raped her, her daughter and her son (since they said whole family). that part made no sense.[/quote]

To clarify, I checked the wiki on the comics and apparently they just raped the girls; they held the boy down and made him watch. And the “wife” was actually his ex-wife.

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^^^ does that change anything for you? so the guys rape his (and his ex-wife’s) daughters, traumatize his son for the rest of his life, Abraham kills the ones who did this and she walks out on him into a zombie infected area?

It still doesn’t make any sense to me :slight_smile:

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
^^^ does that change anything for you? so the guys rape his (and his ex-wife’s) daughters, traumatize his son for the rest of his life, Abraham kills the ones who did this and she walks out on him into a zombie infected area?

It still doesn’t make any sense to me :)[/quote]

No of course not, I just wanted to clarify since my original account (from Talking Dead) was inaccurate.

If she had been a complete stranger, and those weren’t even his kids, her reaction still wouldn’t have made sense.

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:slight_smile:

I love the show but have to admit that a lot of the writing is quite bad. Either way, not gonna stop watching. I’m hooked now.

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Still not sure how you can apply logic to a woman who was just raped and watched the kid she was in charge of raped. I’ve seen people turn on friends in a fit of rage while fighting. I can explain her actions with ease. She went nuts

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[quote]four60 wrote:
Still not sure how you can apply logic to a woman who was just raped and watched the kid she was in charge of raped. I’ve seen people turn on friends in a fit of rage while fighting. I can explain her actions with ease. She went nuts[/quote]

While I don’t think I’ve ever been with a woman who has been raped, or been around one after being raped (thankfully), based on everything I’ve seen in TV and movies, the initial reaction of a woman who has been raped is to push away from any and all men, so I can easily seen her reaction being to run away, not just because he beat the guys to death, but because he’s a man.

So I don’t think the writing was too far fetched on this one either.

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
:slight_smile:

I love the show but have to admit that a lot of the writing is quite bad. Either way, not gonna stop watching. I’m hooked now.[/quote]

This is how it starts.

Then you notice the bent gun barrels, the no sights on rifles, the goofy way Rick holds his gun, the hamper full of rifles out in the elements…

And you realize you are buying merchandise from the show as gifts and subsidizing it.

I am part of the problem to.

Michonne, 2016

Robert A

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
Still not sure how you can apply logic to a woman who was just raped and watched the kid she was in charge of raped. I’ve seen people turn on friends in a fit of rage while fighting. I can explain her actions with ease. She went nuts[/quote]

While I don’t think I’ve ever been with a woman who has been raped, or been around one after being raped (thankfully), based on everything I’ve seen in TV and movies, the initial reaction of a woman who has been raped is to push away from any and all men, so I can easily seen her reaction being to run away, not just because he beat the guys to death, but because he’s a man.

So I don’t think the writing was too far fetched on this one either.[/quote]

Serious and Not related to the show:

The reaction of actual victims of rape, sexual assault, or attempts at such vary a hell of a lot. I mean both from victim to victim, and over time. I say this as someone who has “been with” woman who were victimized in the past and has had such women as friends.

Everything from full melt down, complete with wrongly interpreting normal situations as threats or assault, to acting as if nothing happened could probably be described as being consistent with such trauma.

RE: The show

I think “she went nuts”, as four60 put it, is accurate enough. Depending on exactly when it happened in the TV timeline that may be more or less understandable. If it was months into the Z-day apocalypse than you might expect that she would be less likely to completely forgo safety. If it was early, go for a walk or “get away for a bit” is still one of the “likely to be useful” responses that her, understandably damaged/compromised, mind would hit on.

So, she went “nuts” and interpreted getting away from what may have been the scene of the rape, her rapists, and someone in violent/murder mode (justifiably so mind you, but still not “safe”/comforting), as getting away from threats. Pre-Zombie that makes sense. Grab kids, go to Mom’s/Police/hospital. Post Zombie it was a mistake she didn’t get to unmake. She only needed to be “nuts” for a little bit, and then it was too late.

Or shit writing.

I love this show. And hate that I love it.

Michonne 2016

Robert A

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This episode was kind of so so. I think it did a good job of setting up a possible showdown with part of Rick’s group and the people in the hospital in Atlanta.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
This episode was kind of so so. I think it did a good job of setting up a possible showdown with part of Rick’s group and the people in the hospital in Atlanta. [/quote]

I actually think Daryl runs in to Abrahams group before Ricks group, they rescue Beth and Carol and the end of the season is all of them getting back together.

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[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
This episode was kind of so so. I think it did a good job of setting up a possible showdown with part of Rick’s group and the people in the hospital in Atlanta. [/quote]

I actually think Daryl runs in to Abrahams group before Ricks group, they rescue Beth and Carol and the end of the season is all of them getting back together.
[/quote]
The end of the season? This should all be resolved in the next two episodes before the mid season finale. The next half of the season should involve them looking for a new home since Washington isn’t a priority anymore and perhaps getting familiar with a guy named Negan by the end of the season. Well, that’s at least how I think it should go. I don’t want another half season of the group slowly coming back together again.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
This episode was kind of so so. I think it did a good job of setting up a possible showdown with part of Rick’s group and the people in the hospital in Atlanta. [/quote]

I actually think Daryl runs in to Abrahams group before Ricks group, they rescue Beth and Carol and the end of the season is all of them getting back together.
[/quote]
The end of the season? This should all be resolved in the next two episodes before the mid season finale. The next half of the season should involve them looking for a new home since Washington isn’t a priority anymore and perhaps getting familiar with a guy named Negan by the end of the season. Well, that’s at least how I think it should go. I don’t want another half season of the group slowly coming back together again.[/quote]

Mid season finale is what I meant.

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That last episode reminded me why I think Melissa McBride is the strongest actor on the show. Just love watching her be Carol.

Anyone else wondering if Eugene is actually dead? Between his total lack of physicality and his deadweight drop/head bounce onto the concrete, it’d make sense.

Also, with two episodes left until the break, are we just supposed to forget they teased Morgan on his way to Terminus a while ago? Like, was that just a gratuitous post-credit scene or will he make a legit re-appearance?

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
The next half of the season should involve them looking for a new home since Washington isn’t a priority…[/quote]
The kid Noah did mention to Beth that him and his dad are from Richmond. One theory going around is that that might become “Alexandria” from the comics. So, could be.

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How can a zombies body be so frail that you can rip its head off, yet so sturdy that you can clobber a man with it?

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[quote]orion wrote:
How can a zombies body be so frail that you can rip its head off, yet so sturdy that you can clobber a man with it?[/quote]
Haha, great question!!

I didn’t really like the episode.

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[quote]orion wrote:
How can a zombies body be so frail that you can rip its head off, yet so sturdy that you can clobber a man with it?[/quote]
That doesn’t bother me as much as their sometimes phenomenal stealth skills. It’s not the first time this has happened, but the preacher guy heard something in the woods and fucking looked around 360 degrees. Then suddenly there’s a walker fucking 6 inches from him! Was in in a fucking ghillie suit? Is there some kind of zombie black ops training school they don’t know about? How?

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Hahahaha. You know, I love The Walking Dead, but I must admit the show can be incredibly corny at times. Nevertheless, I find myself tuning in every week. I’ve become attached to most of the characters, although, some I must admit are horrible actors/actresses. Emily Kinney and Lauren Cohan are just cringe-worthy to watch. David Morrissey and Melissa McBride stole the show.

And yeah, the zombies made of jello phenomenon always irks the living shit out of me, and the fact that they bleed black tar.

ANYWHO.