Personally I think that the writing staff didn’t intend to get that deep into mythos of the Vatos, and it was merely a hamfisted attempt to show that world has definitely changed and things aren’t as they seem. Also, I think they simply served as a backdrop to give Rick a decision to make.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
roybot,
I get that was supposed to be the message. Two things, first I missed where they said that uninfected rise in the TV series. I thought they were leaving it more open. Second, nursing home level care is going to be impossible. There will not be enough supportive meds for the patients and the death rate is going to make the place a ground zero every other day.
I thought they could have done a better job of creating a unexpected scenario that still would work by the rules the series follows. If direct infection/zombie bite is needed than it is more plausible to have a “nursing home” type facility.
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When it comes down to it, there’s only so much story they can fit into one episode. We can only speculate over whether the remaining Vatos were aware of the relative weakness of their position and if they had a stockpile of meds from surrounding hospitals. It’s possible that they had a method of dealing with any “eventualities”. It’s equally possible that they assumed the disease was only transmitted through contact. The important part is that they appeared to be the most likely to put themselves first and they didn’t - most of their number had already left by the time Rick encountered them; that would make their situation more manageable.
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People old enough to require nursing home level care would be time bombs. Anyone that is on multiple meds to get by would be in trouble. It is not that I am saying they needed to be abandoned, I am thinking that they would have been the first casualties. They would not be there to save.
I think a population that has strong family ties and is ready to commit acts violence would be in pretty good shape relative to the public at large. The “vatos” fit the bill, so I liked that aspect of it. My issue is not that the episode didn’t portray the Latino’s with tats as a roving band of savages. It’s that the writers put them in a situation where they were surrounded by a completely unlikely amount of “unexploded ordinance”.
It was my least favorite episode of season 1.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Most people pick it out as the worst ep of season 1. I believe that’s unjustified as most assume it is a world where zombie lore exists. The reactions of the characters are consistent with people who don’t know anything about zombie pop-culture.
I know what you’re saying.But…
It is extremely difficult to separate what we know as viewers from what the characters know. If they shouldn’t hole up in a medical facility - where should they go, where could they go?
[quote]borrek wrote:
Personally I think that the writing staff didn’t intend to get that deep into mythos of the Vatos, and it was merely a hamfisted attempt to show that world has definitely changed and things aren’t as they seem. Also, I think they simply served as a backdrop to give Rick a decision to make.[/quote]
It gave Rick an opportunity to earn the trust of the group, certainly the most troublesome members (except Shane).
[quote]roybot wrote:
Most people pick it out as the worst ep of season 1. I believe that’s unjustified as most assume it is a world where zombie lore exists. The reactions of the characters are consistent with people who don’t know anything about zombie pop-culture.
I know what you’re saying.But…
It is extremely difficult to separate what we know as viewers from what the characters know. If they shouldn’t hole up in a medical facility - where should they go, where could they go?[/quote]
I get that. Maybe it is a factor that I have an appreciation for how much death goes on at hospitals and nursing homes, and what the “realistic”/“expected” death rates are if power and supplies are interupted.
In the Walking Dead verse a nursing home would probably be over run or abandoned quickly. Even if the zombies have no additional ability to move, so invalid while alive equals invalid zed, the mobile patients that require care to live would still be enough.
The lack of staff, and door locks would do the rest of the residents in. If they would have wrote the episode as a school for the blind/deaf/assisted living for the mentally challenged/etc. I wouldn’t have this complaint.
I like the show. I will keep watching it. I just hope that the writing doesn’t keep breaking its own rules. So all the gunshots at the farm should attract walkers. Ammo should be in short supply after the shootout at the barn door. These are things that need to be addressed.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I just hope that the writing doesn’t keep breaking its own rules. So all the gunshots at the farm should attract walkers. [/quote]
The farm has some really neat natural and other barriers — high fence for game, for one, would stop walkers, the marsh on the other side of the fence for two, and being in the middle of no where, for three. Walkers seem to follow the path of least resistence, too, so wander the main roads more than the side roads.
I was mad at the barn scence for the waste of ammo, myself. Just haul the walkers up and bust their heads.
Regarding “living” in a “zombie rules” world, my mind started assuming society would eventually re-group, as we’ve done many times.
Simple things like sleeping in different beds and going to sleep with a lanyard of some kind (that a normal human could remove, but a zombie could not) would prevent someone from dying in their sleep and trying to eat their families.
Weapons, of course, would be mandated.
In wealthier, more developed areas, older or sick people would end up with pace makers that not only zapped their hearts to re-start them, but emitted a piecing siren for 15 minutes if the heart stopped — followed by an explosive charge putting a bolt in their heads if the pace maker is not re-set.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I just hope that the writing doesn’t keep breaking its own rules. So all the gunshots at the farm should attract walkers. [/quote]
In wealthier, more developed areas, older or sick people would end up with pace makers that not only zapped their hearts to re-start them, but emitted a piecing siren for 15 minutes if the heart stopped — followed by an explosive charge putting a bolt in their heads if the pace maker is not re-set.
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WOW…JUST…W O W
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I just hope that the writing doesn’t keep breaking its own rules. So all the gunshots at the farm should attract walkers. [/quote]
In wealthier, more developed areas, older or sick people would end up with pace makers that not only zapped their hearts to re-start them, but emitted a piecing siren for 15 minutes if the heart stopped — followed by an explosive charge putting a bolt in their heads if the pace maker is not re-set.
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WOW…JUST…W O W[/quote]
Well, do you have a better idea? If the dead were rising (and we kept stability), do you not think that would happen?
I was contemplating zombie logistics today… (kindly note, this may be a spoiler if you haven’t seen all of season 2)
In regards to my earlier assertion that all corpses inevitably rise, a concept featured in the Romero documentaries which serve as the logical foundation of the Walking Dead series (according to comic and show creators), there’s an interesting exception –
Remember when the plucky group were navigating the jammed up bunch of cars on the freeway? Well, I will have to look at this again to be certain, but it seems there were corpses in those cars that were not reanimated, which also did not have any evidence of having skull trauma.
I would request some opinions – do you, the readers/viewers, think this was just a fail in continuity (and/or sloppy writing), or does this scene imply that not all corpses inevitably rise? Or something else entirely?
[quote]LHT wrote:
I would request some opinions – do you, the readers/viewers, think this was just a fail in continuity (and/or sloppy writing), or does this scene imply that not all corpses inevitably rise? Or something else entirely?[/quote]
I would assume the virus (or whatever) had widespread, but not complete, penetration at the time the people died, and a pre-existing infection in necessary. These were simply part of the population that had not been infected, for whatever reason.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Most people pick it out as the worst ep of season 1. I believe that’s unjustified as most assume it is a world where zombie lore exists. The reactions of the characters are consistent with people who don’t know anything about zombie pop-culture.
I know what you’re saying.But…
It is extremely difficult to separate what we know as viewers from what the characters know. If they shouldn’t hole up in a medical facility - where should they go, where could they go?[/quote]
I get that. Maybe it is a factor that I have an appreciation for how much death goes on at hospitals and nursing homes, and what the “realistic”/“expected” death rates are if power and supplies are interupted.
In the Walking Dead verse a nursing home would probably be over run or abandoned quickly. Even if the zombies have no additional ability to move, so invalid while alive equals invalid zed, the mobile patients that require care to live would still be enough.
The lack of staff, and door locks would do the rest of the residents in. If they would have wrote the episode as a school for the blind/deaf/assisted living for the mentally challenged/etc. I wouldn’t have this complaint.
I like the show. I will keep watching it. I just hope that the writing doesn’t keep breaking its own rules. So all the gunshots at the farm should attract walkers. Ammo should be in short supply after the shootout at the barn door. These are things that need to be addressed.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
IIRC, the “staff” (some of whom actually are staff- that’s partly why they stayed) in that ep outnumber the patients. Having inside knowledge of anything featured in film or TV is inevitably going to make you question how credible events are.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]LHT wrote:
I would request some opinions – do you, the readers/viewers, think this was just a fail in continuity (and/or sloppy writing), or does this scene imply that not all corpses inevitably rise? Or something else entirely?[/quote]
I would assume the virus (or whatever) had widespread, but not complete, penetration at the time the people died, and a pre-existing infection in necessary. These were simply part of the population that had not been infected, for whatever reason.[/quote]
I will go with cooking. De-hydration and heat caused the peri-mortem and post mortem injury to the brain.
Georgia heat, sun shining, car with the windows up, for weeks is a recipe for making jerky. The interiors could easily get up past 120. The corpses may have re-animated, but were unable to solve seat belts and car doors. They baked.
Regards,
Robert A