The Walking Dead Season 2 Pt. 2

four60 · March 19, 2012, 6:20pm

[quote]LHT wrote:
Well…I did love the finale, no doubt, and it did make up for most of the so-so stuff this half-season.

But…oh wow here goes…I really didn’t like how Michonne was introduced.

Oh, I know, it was really damned close to how it happened in the comics, especially the imagery, but frankly, there are things you can get away with in comics and animation that almost always seem cheesy in live action.

The appearance of the cool black girl with the mysterious looking hood, two walkers on leashes, and a katana…a katana ffs, of all the cliches…not to mention that she was in essence calmly walking along the fringes of an enormous walker herd…transforms the show from gritty plausibility into borderline super-hero fiction.

It was a jarring change in theme that amounted to comic book fan service. Comic fans got their little tingle of “oooh here she is.”

Everyone else thought, “WTF?” And not the good kind of WTF…

I was in a mixed-audience room and I could palpably feel the differences in reaction to that scene.

The season 3 premiere is going to have to work really hard to integrate the show in with the non-comic fan base that exists – the introduction of Michonne could be the scene where the whole series really takes off, or it could also, VERY easily, be the scene where this show prematurely jumped the shark.

Don’t get me wrong, I do love Michonne as a comic book hero, I’m just really not enjoying how that short intro scene played out.[/quote]

Then you really are going to hate season 3 if you remember how the books go from here. Some of this you have to take in stride.

A chick walking with 2 zombies chained to her is not a stretch. Rick not killing Lori for fucking his best friend is the Pause moment I had this season.

gonepostal · March 19, 2012, 6:44pm

lol I love how everybody is caught of guard by Rick’s behavior and “this is not a democracy” line.

Ambugaton · March 19, 2012, 8:11pm

Show me a writer who gets along with women and I’ll show you a hack gunning for an Oprah endorsement. That being said, I hate the foul-up they made with Lori’s character. Nothing in the writing thus far justified that reaction.

This last episode was so poorly done I think I give up. Nothing about the firefight was believable, as many of you have already pointed out, The kid is like a black hole into which all enjoyment of the show is sucked, and Michonne looks like she’s going to be…goofy.

Oh, and I’m sick of Rick’s ‘This is my serious angry whisper-voice, everybody listen’ thing that he does.

LHT · March 19, 2012, 8:45pm

[quote]four60 wrote:

Then you really are going to hate season 3 if you remember how the books go from here. Some of this you have to take in stride.

A chick walking with 2 zombies chained to her is not a stretch. Rick not killing Lori for fucking his best friend is the Pause moment I had this season.[/quote]

lol well on part 2 of the above, I partially agree…or to be more specific, I can understand him not killing her for fucking Shane. Everyone gets one pass for ‘it was the end of human civilization and I was pretty damned certain you were dead.’ I can’t comprehend why he hasn’t given her a good old fashioned John Carpenter Hero smack for everything she’s done since then.

And about the super hero stuff…again, it’s not the content, it’s how it’s handled. Think of…The Matrix vs. the Dragonball movie (this is just an off-the-top-of-my-head comparison). Both had superhero type actions, both had people doing implausible floaty things in the air. Both had computer enhancement, green screen work, and wire-fu.

One was pretty entertaining. The other sucked.

Michonne’s appearance represents a chance at a very strong change in the style and beat established in the first two seasons. If they don’t play it really carefully, they’re going to lose a chunk of their audience really quickly.

And I say this as a fan of the comic book.

Robert_A · March 19, 2012, 10:22pm

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
LORI we know the man you love and the father of your unborn child was killed by your husband and all
[/quote]

Only women can take something as crazy as this and try to make it logical.
[/quote]

Well, what other reason is there for her getting pissed off at Rick? She wanted Shane to be the one to return. [/quote]

I had the same take as Christine about Lori’s fit.

She wanted Shane to come out on top. It’s that or this shows writing, producer, and the actress all have never met a human being.

There could be a push to really vilify Lori so that they can end her is a fashion similar to the comic. Of course that would change the entire emotional value of her exit, but this show is apparently a “character driven” drama that is completely ignorant of the very concepts of character, motivation, or even what creates drama. I am starting to suspect the 30% of the scenes that are legitimately good are accidents.

Regards,

Robert A

Robert_A · March 19, 2012, 10:33pm

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

Apparently we were supposed to love that T-Dog is very skilled at driving around with two women in the car. And he ran over some walkers. And east. He wants to go east. I guess I love that. It’s a pretty good direction, I suppose.

In all, I’d say it was solid episode. I don’t fault Rick for his mini-breakdown. He’s done that “gun-waving while speaking enthusiastically” thing before, so I didn’t read too much into it. But his “not a democracy” line did catch me off-guard.

I was definitely expecting something to happen when Glenn and Maggie traded seats. As he’s walking around the hood of the car, I’m thinking “See ya. Okay… no.” Then it took him a second to close the driver’s door behind him, and I was like “See ya… oh, nope.”

I did half-expect Angela to climb up onto the porch roof and start plinking away at walkers after she was ditched.

I also really dug the opening scene. “Kids, this is how we build a roaming zombie mob, so don’t post online tomorrow ‘OMFG, no way that many walkers would find the farm at the same time.’”[/quote]

The T-Dawg promise is one of the reasons I suspect the production of the show is made by completely incompetent assholes, or they are just trying to see how much shitty they can pack in and still make ratings.

T-Dawg’s triumph was that he could drive people around and take orders. It was literally what he did. I think he is my favorite character.

T-Dawg’s contributions are to push, pull, or carry things, carry guns and then hand them to others, and now to be a driver.

Is the production team in on this joke or did they actually think T-Dawg was a break out in the finale?

Regards,

Robert A

polo77j · March 19, 2012, 10:42pm

[quote]LHT wrote:
Well…I did love the finale, no doubt, and it did make up for most of the so-so stuff this half-season.

But…oh wow here goes…I really didn’t like how Michonne was introduced.

Oh, I know, it was really damned close to how it happened in the comics, especially the imagery, but frankly, there are things you can get away with in comics and animation that almost always seem cheesy in live action.

The appearance of the cool black girl with the mysterious looking hood, two walkers on leashes, and a katana…a katana ffs, of all the cliches…not to mention that she was in essence calmly walking along the fringes of an enormous walker herd…transforms the show from gritty plausibility into borderline super-hero fiction.

It was a jarring change in theme that amounted to comic book fan service. Comic fans got their little tingle of “oooh here she is.”

Everyone else thought, “WTF?” And not the good kind of WTF…

I was in a mixed-audience room and I could palpably feel the differences in reaction to that scene.

The season 3 premiere is going to have to work really hard to integrate the show in with the non-comic fan base that exists – the introduction of Michonne could be the scene where the whole series really takes off, or it could also, VERY easily, be the scene where this show prematurely jumped the shark.

Don’t get me wrong, I do love Michonne as a comic book hero, I’m just really not enjoying how that short intro scene played out.[/quote]

According to legend, the two walkers she had attached to chains kept other walkers from noticing/attacking her … I’m assuming it’s along the same logic lines as smearing zombie guts on you except far more intimidating to a living person

system · March 19, 2012, 10:51pm

Source of the zombie plauge explained here:

FrozenNinja · March 20, 2012, 12:26am

love the series…no complaints here…I just haven’t read the comics yet

comus3 · March 20, 2012, 12:34am

Who was the guy in the winnebago who got eaten trying to rescue Rick and the Kid? I fast forward through most episodes and missed him somehow. Thanks

four60 · March 20, 2012, 12:58am

[quote]comus3 wrote:
Who was the guy in the winnebago who got eaten trying to rescue Rick and the Kid? I fast forward through most episodes and missed him somehow. Thanks[/quote]

Herschels son

FrozenNinja · March 20, 2012, 12:59am

Jimmy. One of maggie’s brothers.

four60 · March 20, 2012, 3:24am

Just left an Q&A with Glenn Mazzara the executive Producer and Writer for the show.

1- They talked about keeping Shane but it’s “Ricks Story” so it’s his path thru this new world they will follow.

2- Lori was projecting her Self hatred for herself onto Rick in that scene (this makes her an awful human, my words not his)

3- The Actress that plays Lori is Kinda shocked by the Universal hate for her character

4- The writers see T-Dog as smart and staying away from everyone because he can see how they treat each other ( not sure I’m buying it)

5- They have big Plans for T-Dog in season 3 ( I hope it’s in the arena)

6-They are done with team building drama for a bit season three will be like the last 3 episodes of this season.

7-These 2 seasons have only covered 4 months from the moment Rick left the hospital.

WolBarret · March 20, 2012, 3:55am

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Girl with the Katana looked dumb as hell. Please explain that bit of lameness.
[/quote]

Are you retarded?

sigh…

Comic spoilers:

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Michonne_(Comic_Series)[/quote]

Like I said. Dumb as hell. And don’t call me retarded.

Christine · March 20, 2012, 3:59am

Those be some interesting tidbits.

I’m surprised that the actress who plays Lori is surprised.

Watching Fido right now. I am amused.

WolBarret · March 20, 2012, 4:02am

[quote]four60 wrote:
Just left an Q&A with Glenn Mazzara the executive Producer and Writer for the show.

1- They talked about keeping Shane but it’s “Ricks Story” so it’s his path thru this new world they will follow.

2- Lori was projecting her Self hatred for herself onto Rick in that scene (this makes her an awful human, my words not his)

3- The Actress that plays Lori is Kinda shocked by the Universal hate for her character

4- The writers see T-Dog as smart and staying away from everyone because he can see how they treat each other ( not sure I’m buying it)

5- They have big Plans for T-Dog in season 3 ( I hope it’s in the arena)

6-They are done with team building drama for a bit season three will be like the last 3 episodes of this season.

7-These 2 seasons have only covered 4 months from the moment Rick left the hospital.[/quote]

That scene with the chick and sword was lame, 460. They had better not do some stupid matrix/chop socky/ kung fu crap for this character.

polo77j · March 20, 2012, 4:05am

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]comus3 wrote:
Who was the guy in the winnebago who got eaten trying to rescue Rick and the Kid? I fast forward through most episodes and missed him somehow. Thanks[/quote]

Herschels son[/quote]

Wrong … Jimmy was Beth’s boyfriend. Beth is Herschel’s daughter

Hell_Billy · March 20, 2012, 4:11am

[quote]four60 wrote:

4- The writers see T-Dog as smart and staying away from everyone because he can see how they treat each other ( not sure I’m buying it)
[/quote]

Makes sense to me, realistically who would want to be around those assholes . I’m hoping that the show actually takes time to develop t-dog’s character in s3, rather than just keep him around to pad the bodycount.

four60 · March 20, 2012, 4:27am