The Walking Dead Season 2 Pt. 2

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[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m with Christine about Lori and Andrea.

I used to hate Andrea but like her a lot more lately. [/quote]

Andrea only female lead that comes off as some what normal for the situations and appropriate for real life. The rest are zombie bait. [/quote]

Yeah it’s hard to imagine wanting to just revert to being a homemaker when you will need to fight off zombies and your men are always off being reckless and almost getting themselves killed. I wonder when we found out the Andrea is pregnant…[/quote]

Exactly, while clean clothes and hot meals are nice and welcome, learning how to fight off zombies is a hellava lot more useful.[/quote]

I think they need to start focusing on protecting themselves against a potentially more dangerous threat - desperate humans

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]borrek wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
What is the significance of the two police officers that did/didn’t turn?[/quote]

I think it was a bit of bad writing (overall this episode sucked ass in my opinion due to bad writing) but the significance was to hint that people who die without being bitten will still turn[/quote]
I didn’t think it was bad writing at all.

I think it was definitely setting the stage so that now Rick knows that if someone dies even without being bitten, they turn into a walker and rise from their grave.

So, like, if someone you know gets shot and killed, and you bury them, you might have to go dig them up later to put one through their brain because you know they wouldn’t want to “live” as a walker.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

I see what you did there.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m with Christine about Lori and Andrea.

I used to hate Andrea but like her a lot more lately. [/quote]

Andrea only female lead that comes off as some what normal for the situations and appropriate for real life. The rest are zombie bait. [/quote]

Yeah it’s hard to imagine wanting to just revert to being a homemaker when you will need to fight off zombies and your men are always off being reckless and almost getting themselves killed. I wonder when we found out the Andrea is pregnant…[/quote]

Exactly, while clean clothes and hot meals are nice and welcome, learning how to fight off zombies is a hellava lot more useful.[/quote]

I think they need to start focusing on protecting themselves against a potentially more dangerous threat - desperate humans[/quote]

And here we see the real danger. Walkers are pretty tame. They are predicable, slow moving, and retarded.

Desperate, starving, unhinged and evil humans? Smart, unpredictable, able to use guns, etc. The real danger is other people.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m with Christine about Lori and Andrea.

I used to hate Andrea but like her a lot more lately. [/quote]

Andrea only female lead that comes off as some what normal for the situations and appropriate for real life. The rest are zombie bait. [/quote]

Yeah it’s hard to imagine wanting to just revert to being a homemaker when you will need to fight off zombies and your men are always off being reckless and almost getting themselves killed. I wonder when we found out the Andrea is pregnant…[/quote]

Exactly, while clean clothes and hot meals are nice and welcome, learning how to fight off zombies is a hellava lot more useful.[/quote]

I think they need to start focusing on protecting themselves against a potentially more dangerous threat - desperate humans[/quote]

And here we see the real danger. Walkers are pretty tame. They are predicable, slow moving, and retarded.

Desperate, starving, unhinged and evil humans? Smart, unpredictable, able to use guns, etc. The real danger is other people. [/quote]

This is a good point. Either way, cooking hot meals isn’t going to provide protection, from humans or zombies.

Also, since women are not as physically strong as men, they should be very concerned about this threat and start learning to use those guns and knives.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]borrek wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
What is the significance of the two police officers that did/didn’t turn?[/quote]

I think it was a bit of bad writing (overall this episode sucked ass in my opinion due to bad writing) but the significance was to hint that people who die without being bitten will still turn[/quote]
I didn’t think it was bad writing at all.

I think it was definitely setting the stage so that now Rick knows that if someone dies even without being bitten, they turn into a walker and rise from their grave.

So, like, if someone you know gets shot and killed, and you bury them, you might have to go dig them up later to put one through their brain because you know they wouldn’t want to “live” as a walker.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

I see what you did there.
[/quote]

Yup.

Although, I somewhat second borrek’s “bad writing”.

I liked the episode. Right up until it ended and I realized the plot didn’t move along mutch at all.

Andrea slapping down Lori was fine, and realistic enough. Then Andrea goes and gets herself involved in shit she should have stayed out of (if she was pro-suicide). I am not questioning her position, or the fact the girl realized she wants to live, I am pointing out that her dumb ass made an enemy of Maggie and Herschal.

It is one thing to say “She needs to find her OWN reason to live.” It is quite another to promise to watch someone’s daughter/sister and then leave them to kill themselves. Unless her next plan is to massacre the farm’s original owners she is now persona non-grata on the farm, and she should be. Trust is huge in crisis situations. She just made sure no one can trust her.

Do the writer’s hate women? At this point I don’t want Michone to show up because I am worried they will trash the character.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m with Christine about Lori and Andrea.

I used to hate Andrea but like her a lot more lately. [/quote]

Andrea only female lead that comes off as some what normal for the situations and appropriate for real life. The rest are zombie bait. [/quote]

Yeah it’s hard to imagine wanting to just revert to being a homemaker when you will need to fight off zombies and your men are always off being reckless and almost getting themselves killed. I wonder when we found out the Andrea is pregnant…[/quote]

Exactly, while clean clothes and hot meals are nice and welcome, learning how to fight off zombies is a hellava lot more useful.[/quote]

I think they need to start focusing on protecting themselves against a potentially more dangerous threat - desperate humans[/quote]

And here we see the real danger. Walkers are pretty tame. They are predicable, slow moving, and retarded.

Desperate, starving, unhinged and evil humans? Smart, unpredictable, able to use guns, etc. The real danger is other people. [/quote]

This is a good point. Either way, cooking hot meals isn’t going to provide protection, from humans or zombies.

Also, since women are not as physically strong as men, they should be very concerned about this threat and start learning to use those guns and knives.[/quote]

I disagree; food provides fuel (as we all know). Fuel to power not only physical, but cognitive functions. A well prepared meal with enough protein, fresh veges and grains could give the group the cognitive edge to think passed another, less nurtured, more stressed human foe…

I’m not saying that the women should only cook; I agree with Andrea about everyone should know how to defend themselves and the camp, but they shouldn’t lose sight of the benefits of stability and a low(er) stress environment while they have it. They really need to focus (now that the barn is cleared out) on recouperating, devising a well thought out plan (for everything, not just how to protect themselves, or survival, but how to thrive, and if that is achievable).

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m with Christine about Lori and Andrea.

I used to hate Andrea but like her a lot more lately. [/quote]

Andrea only female lead that comes off as some what normal for the situations and appropriate for real life. The rest are zombie bait. [/quote]

Yeah it’s hard to imagine wanting to just revert to being a homemaker when you will need to fight off zombies and your men are always off being reckless and almost getting themselves killed. I wonder when we found out the Andrea is pregnant…[/quote]

Exactly, while clean clothes and hot meals are nice and welcome, learning how to fight off zombies is a hellava lot more useful.[/quote]

I think they need to start focusing on protecting themselves against a potentially more dangerous threat - desperate humans[/quote]

And here we see the real danger. Walkers are pretty tame. They are predicable, slow moving, and retarded.

Desperate, starving, unhinged and evil humans? Smart, unpredictable, able to use guns, etc. The real danger is other people. [/quote]

This is a good point. Either way, cooking hot meals isn’t going to provide protection, from humans or zombies.

Also, since women are not as physically strong as men, they should be very concerned about this threat and start learning to use those guns and knives.[/quote]

I disagree; food provides fuel (as we all know). Fuel to power not only physical, but cognitive functions. A well prepared meal with enough protein, fresh veges and grains could give the group the cognitive edge to think passed another, less nurtured, more stressed human foe…

I’m not saying that the women should only cook; I agree with Andrea about everyone should know how to defend themselves and the camp, but they shouldn’t lose sight of the benefits of stability and a low(er) stress environment while they have it. They really need to focus (now that the barn is cleared out) on recouperating, devising a well thought out plan (for everything, not just how to protect themselves, or survival, but how to thrive, and if that is achievable).[/quote]

Food is important, and I think that having a good, hot meal provides mental relief as well. However, food doesn’t have to be tasty be considered fuel.

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[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m with Christine about Lori and Andrea.

I used to hate Andrea but like her a lot more lately. [/quote]

Andrea only female lead that comes off as some what normal for the situations and appropriate for real life. The rest are zombie bait. [/quote]

Yeah it’s hard to imagine wanting to just revert to being a homemaker when you will need to fight off zombies and your men are always off being reckless and almost getting themselves killed. I wonder when we found out the Andrea is pregnant…[/quote]

Exactly, while clean clothes and hot meals are nice and welcome, learning how to fight off zombies is a hellava lot more useful.[/quote]

I think they need to start focusing on protecting themselves against a potentially more dangerous threat - desperate humans[/quote]

And here we see the real danger. Walkers are pretty tame. They are predicable, slow moving, and retarded.

Desperate, starving, unhinged and evil humans? Smart, unpredictable, able to use guns, etc. The real danger is other people. [/quote]

This is a good point. Either way, cooking hot meals isn’t going to provide protection, from humans or zombies.

Also, since women are not as physically strong as men, they should be very concerned about this threat and start learning to use those guns and knives.[/quote]

It is all very important. Weapons training is important. So is camp hygiene. Infections, be they from cuts and scrapes (which is why you would not cut your HANDS to lure walkers), or disease would be real concerns.

I am laughing at how Lori is so stuck on espousing traditional gender roles. She seems to decide her status as bed-mate of the leader(of the week) gives her group status. She might want to look up what the penelties for infidelity were in societies where it worked that way.

Rick talking about supplies for the first time shows at least some sense.

They need food. They need to secure/shore up their defenses. A couple more lines of fence to at least deter casual walker curiosity. Maybe a trench. Find a front loader/back hoe and dig some half assed fortifications. Get some dogs for warnings, and cats to keep mice/rats at bay. Stock-seed/food/medical supplies. Get ammo. Get clothing.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m with Christine about Lori and Andrea.

I used to hate Andrea but like her a lot more lately. [/quote]

Andrea only female lead that comes off as some what normal for the situations and appropriate for real life. The rest are zombie bait. [/quote]

Yeah it’s hard to imagine wanting to just revert to being a homemaker when you will need to fight off zombies and your men are always off being reckless and almost getting themselves killed. I wonder when we found out the Andrea is pregnant…[/quote]

Exactly, while clean clothes and hot meals are nice and welcome, learning how to fight off zombies is a hellava lot more useful.[/quote]

I think they need to start focusing on protecting themselves against a potentially more dangerous threat - desperate humans[/quote]

And here we see the real danger. Walkers are pretty tame. They are predicable, slow moving, and retarded.

Desperate, starving, unhinged and evil humans? Smart, unpredictable, able to use guns, etc. The real danger is other people. [/quote]

This is a good point. Either way, cooking hot meals isn’t going to provide protection, from humans or zombies.

Also, since women are not as physically strong as men, they should be very concerned about this threat and start learning to use those guns and knives.[/quote]

I disagree; food provides fuel (as we all know). Fuel to power not only physical, but cognitive functions. A well prepared meal with enough protein, fresh veges and grains could give the group the cognitive edge to think passed another, less nurtured, more stressed human foe…

I’m not saying that the women should only cook; I agree with Andrea about everyone should know how to defend themselves and the camp, but they shouldn’t lose sight of the benefits of stability and a low(er) stress environment while they have it. They really need to focus (now that the barn is cleared out) on recouperating, devising a well thought out plan (for everything, not just how to protect themselves, or survival, but how to thrive, and if that is achievable).[/quote]

Food is important, and I think that having a good, hot meal provides mental relief as well. However, food doesn’t have to be tasty be considered fuel.

[/quote]

I never said they had to be tasty, but it helps :slight_smile:

I mean, there are tons of factors at play here, and I agree that protection is priority numero uno … without stability, which protection provides, you can’t really attain all the others in efficient supply.

However, on the farm, threats are marginalized and they CAN focus on the other things that increase their chances for survival (such as food and hygiene as Robert A. pointed out).

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m with Christine about Lori and Andrea.

I used to hate Andrea but like her a lot more lately. [/quote]

Andrea only female lead that comes off as some what normal for the situations and appropriate for real life. The rest are zombie bait. [/quote]

Yeah it’s hard to imagine wanting to just revert to being a homemaker when you will need to fight off zombies and your men are always off being reckless and almost getting themselves killed. I wonder when we found out the Andrea is pregnant…[/quote]

Exactly, while clean clothes and hot meals are nice and welcome, learning how to fight off zombies is a hellava lot more useful.[/quote]

I think they need to start focusing on protecting themselves against a potentially more dangerous threat - desperate humans[/quote]

Yeah, any apocalyptic scenario I’m betting humans kill off each other, rather than a plague,
old twilight zone, about lights going out in a neighbor hood, people turned on each other wondering who was the alien who did it, well the aliens did turn out the lights but they know the humans will destroy each other

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^
I think my problem is that they seam to want to have a full blown dinner every night with everyone sitting around the dining table as if nothing is going on.

Maybe do this once a week and spend the rest of the time on defense, planning ect.

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[quote]Christine wrote:
^
I think my problem is that they seam to want to have a full blown dinner every night with everyone sitting around the dining table as if nothing is going on.

Maybe do this once a week and spend the rest of the time on defense, planning ect. [/quote]

that’s a fair assessment; another thing to keep in mind, however, is sometimes 3 or 4 episodes only span 1 day.

I think the mid-season finale (the barn slaughter), maybe the one before that as well, and everyone the second half of the season up until last night’s episode, have all taken place during the same day in their universe.

While it feels like months to us, it’s been less than 24 hrs for them

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

Do the writer’s hate women? [/quote]

It sure seems like it, since they have done a fine job of ensuring that I hate or at least dislike every single female on this show.

Maybe I’ll give Maggie a pass if she shows some more skin soon.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

Do the writer’s hate women? [/quote]

It sure seems like it, since they have done a fine job of ensuring that I hate or at least dislike every single female on this show.

Maybe I’ll give Maggie a pass if she shows some more skin soon.[/quote]

I thought the same thing too, the writers either don’t know how to make a like-able woman or don’t want to.

And not to defend Lori, since I dislike her, but at least unlike the other women she isn’t zombie bait one week of each month since she’s pregnant. Just sayin’.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

It is all very important. Weapons training is important. So is camp hygiene. Infections, be they from cuts and scrapes (which is why you would not cut your HANDS to lure walkers), or disease would be real concerns.

Rick talking about supplies for the first time shows at least some sense.

[/quote]

I thought Shane re-rubbing his cut hand where the walkers kept licking was not very smart. Opening up a new wound voluntarily doesn’t seem like a good idea to me.

Rick also was thinking about winter, and how the cold will hopefully impact the walkers by either slowing them down or killing them off.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

I think it was definitely setting the stage so that now Rick knows that if someone dies even without being bitten, they turn into a walker and rise from their grave.

So, like, if someone you know gets shot and killed, and you bury them, you might have to go dig them up later to put one through their brain because you know they wouldn’t want to “live” as a walker.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

Ah, so it’s more of a supernatural outbreak a la Romero.

“When there’s no more room in hell, then the dead will walk walk the earth”

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
^
I think my problem is that they seam to want to have a full blown dinner every night with everyone sitting around the dining table as if nothing is going on.

Maybe do this once a week and spend the rest of the time on defense, planning ect. [/quote]

that’s a fair assessment; another thing to keep in mind, however, is sometimes 3 or 4 episodes only span 1 day.

I think the mid-season finale (the barn slaughter), maybe the one before that as well, and everyone the second half of the season up until last night’s episode, have all taken place during the same day in their universe.

While it feels like months to us, it’s been less than 24 hrs for them[/quote]

Its had to have been a few days at least. The spent one night in the town and the kid had to have time for his leg to heal somewhat. He wouldn’t be walking around on that for weeks IMO.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
^
I think my problem is that they seam to want to have a full blown dinner every night with everyone sitting around the dining table as if nothing is going on.

Maybe do this once a week and spend the rest of the time on defense, planning ect. [/quote]

that’s a fair assessment; another thing to keep in mind, however, is sometimes 3 or 4 episodes only span 1 day.

I think the mid-season finale (the barn slaughter), maybe the one before that as well, and everyone the second half of the season up until last night’s episode, have all taken place during the same day in their universe.

While it feels like months to us, it’s been less than 24 hrs for them[/quote]

Its had to have been a few days at least. The spent one night in the town and the kid had to have time for his leg to heal somewhat. He wouldn’t be walking around on that for weeks IMO.[/quote]

Yeah, exactly. Never mind that Hershel said forcibly pulling him off the fence would have him bleed to death because of [insert bs medical reason]. Now he’s hoppin’ around with a barely noticeable limp happily stabbing walker “bitches”.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
^
I think my problem is that they seam to want to have a full blown dinner every night with everyone sitting around the dining table as if nothing is going on.

Maybe do this once a week and spend the rest of the time on defense, planning ect. [/quote]

that’s a fair assessment; another thing to keep in mind, however, is sometimes 3 or 4 episodes only span 1 day.

I think the mid-season finale (the barn slaughter), maybe the one before that as well, and everyone the second half of the season up until last night’s episode, have all taken place during the same day in their universe.

While it feels like months to us, it’s been less than 24 hrs for them[/quote]

Its had to have been a few days at least. The spent one night in the town and the kid had to have time for his leg to heal somewhat. He wouldn’t be walking around on that for weeks IMO.[/quote]

This last episode was a week after the barn incident. The barn incident day is the day the lasted a few episodes…

There are a few inconsistencies with that “day” also…Like when Rick shot Dave and Slim Tony, there was light outside, but the next episode (Triggerfinger) it was dark, etc…

I personally don’t think that kid would’ve been up and walking around like he was after a week considering the severity of his injury, but hey I’m not a writer

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
^
I think my problem is that they seam to want to have a full blown dinner every night with everyone sitting around the dining table as if nothing is going on.

Maybe do this once a week and spend the rest of the time on defense, planning ect. [/quote]

that’s a fair assessment; another thing to keep in mind, however, is sometimes 3 or 4 episodes only span 1 day.

I think the mid-season finale (the barn slaughter), maybe the one before that as well, and everyone the second half of the season up until last night’s episode, have all taken place during the same day in their universe.

While it feels like months to us, it’s been less than 24 hrs for them[/quote]

Its had to have been a few days at least. The spent one night in the town and the kid had to have time for his leg to heal somewhat. He wouldn’t be walking around on that for weeks IMO.[/quote]

I personally don’t think that kid would’ve been up and walking around like he was after a week considering the severity of his injury, but hey I’m not a writer[/quote]

Medically no he would not be walking around, with his Parkour fail from last week.

When you consider a small issue some of the writers actions may make sense. People in high stress situations will regress or revert to what is safe. Lori is a whore sammich maker so makes sense that with all the stress she will revert to this.