The Verdict: Liddell VS Jackson

I wouldn’t go so far as to call Chuck stupid, but I would say that he’s not very well-spoken. Usually intelligence and speaking well go together, but not always. I think he’s just more of a shy, reserved type of guy, so speaking publicly is not his forte.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:
vbm537 wrote:
analog_kid wrote:

Everyone always has an excuse for him. Isn’t it possible he is just plain stupid like Lennox Lewis? Just about every interview I’ve seen with the two of them is painful to watch.

He has an Accounting degree from Cal Poly which is one of their most difficult majors. Anyone familiar with their Accounting program would know he is not stupid.

Having a degree doesn’t necessarily make one intelligent in my book. Call me crazy, but I’ve had an argument with an RN about how many seconds there are in a hour. Apparently 60*60 is 120.

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[quote]AdamC wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
T Ham wrote:
Mufasa wrote:

He SEEMED to be showing some early signs of Post Concussion Syndrome (PCS). (One of the first signs is a slight slurring in ones speech).

Mufasa

Look at this interview: Chuck Liddell is wasted - MMAmania.com - YouTube

I saw it previously here on T-Nation, and some people seemed to think that he was on some sort of opiate (perhaps for pain?)

His trainer addressed that claiming that all the promotional work LIddell had been doing had caught up with him. Once the trainer noticed he was slurring his words etc during interviews at press conferences he immediately sent him home to rest for 8 days. He said it was pneumonia. I heard this in the pre-bout interviews on Friday.

Everyone always has an excuse for him. Isn’t it possible he is just plain stupid like Lennox Lewis? Just about every interview I’ve seen with the two of them is painful to watch.

Well I wouldn’t call him or Lennox Lewis stupid. I’ve always thought Lennox to be pretty well spoken. Not sure why you think that.[/quote]

Agreed, Lennox always struck me as more polished and intelligent than many fighters. He damn sure spoke better then Evander or Tyson.

D

NO He is just British!!!

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
AdamC wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
T Ham wrote:
Mufasa wrote:

He SEEMED to be showing some early signs of Post Concussion Syndrome (PCS). (One of the first signs is a slight slurring in ones speech).

Mufasa

Look at this interview: Chuck Liddell is wasted - MMAmania.com - YouTube

I saw it previously here on T-Nation, and some people seemed to think that he was on some sort of opiate (perhaps for pain?)

His trainer addressed that claiming that all the promotional work LIddell had been doing had caught up with him. Once the trainer noticed he was slurring his words etc during interviews at press conferences he immediately sent him home to rest for 8 days. He said it was pneumonia. I heard this in the pre-bout interviews on Friday.

Everyone always has an excuse for him. Isn’t it possible he is just plain stupid like Lennox Lewis? Just about every interview I’ve seen with the two of them is painful to watch.

Well I wouldn’t call him or Lennox Lewis stupid. I’ve always thought Lennox to be pretty well spoken. Not sure why you think that.

Agreed, Lennox always struck me as more polished and intelligent than many fighters. He damn sure spoke better then Evander or Tyson.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
AdamC wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
T Ham wrote:
Mufasa wrote:

He SEEMED to be showing some early signs of Post Concussion Syndrome (PCS). (One of the first signs is a slight slurring in ones speech).

Mufasa

Look at this interview: Chuck Liddell is wasted - MMAmania.com - YouTube

I saw it previously here on T-Nation, and some people seemed to think that he was on some sort of opiate (perhaps for pain?)

His trainer addressed that claiming that all the promotional work LIddell had been doing had caught up with him. Once the trainer noticed he was slurring his words etc during interviews at press conferences he immediately sent him home to rest for 8 days. He said it was pneumonia. I heard this in the pre-bout interviews on Friday.

Everyone always has an excuse for him. Isn’t it possible he is just plain stupid like Lennox Lewis? Just about every interview I’ve seen with the two of them is painful to watch.

Well I wouldn’t call him or Lennox Lewis stupid. I’ve always thought Lennox to be pretty well spoken. Not sure why you think that.

Agreed, Lennox always struck me as more polished and intelligent than many fighters. He damn sure spoke better then Evander or Tyson.

D[/quote]

I remember flipping through the channels years ago and seeing him on Politically Incorrect will Bill “I’m gonna save the planet” Mahr. I watched the last half of the show waiting for him to say something but he never did. I guess that’s not the fairest way to judge someone but he just never came across as a very bright guy to me. I could be wrong.

Chuck on the other hand either has some form of severe speech impediment or is ADD or something. What I can make out never seems to make a whole lot of sense. He seems to always be mumbling and doesn’t enunciate his words, which according to a girl I know that is an English-Lit. major that has her head so far up her ass she can probably see the back of her teeth, makes one at least seem unintelligent. I guess I just don’t see him having a future in commentating.

I feel this was an early stoppage…
I watched it in slow mo several times…

No doubt CL got rocked… no doubt he hit the floor, but he only took 2 1/2 punches (1 kinda brushed off his face = 1/2)
and the ref stopped it.
on the 3rd punch, chuck was in the process of sitting up…

now if the fighter is out cold, then certainly stop it, but if he is dazed and down, then give him a few minutes to work through it, if he gets knocked out while down, then so be it, but i think it was stopped to soon and i don’t think he was beyond coming back at that point…

perhaps it would have ended the same, i don’t care one way or the other, but i think as the champion he should have been given the benefit of the doubt and as people who get beat up for a living (and beat people up) they should be able to take a few punches without the ref stepping in…

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Thanks, guys.

By all reports, Lidell is supposed to be a really cool guy!

By the way…“ESPN” had a VERY interesting graphic, showing that the PPV money generated by MMA surpassed all sports, including boxing, by a WIDE margin.

(Somebody is rolling in the dough!)

Mufasa[/quote]

Over the past year, UFC has exploded on PPV, and is currently beating the WWE’s normal, monthly PPVs. However, this year’s Wrestlemania did over 1 million buys worldwide, and the Mayweather fight just shattered all PPV buy rate records.

So, UFC is hot, but it still is getting beat on PPV by the big, special boxing and wrestling events. Of course, the UFC is not close to its business peak, but every hot promotion runs in cycles. Market saturation could start hitting UFC’s bottom line at some point.

I’ve watched the slow-mo replay a few times and to me it ‘technically’ looked like an early stoppage, but only from the standpoint that, like you said, it looked like Chuck started actively trying to defend himself at the end a little, so he wasn’t really OUT-out.

But it would’ve made zero difference if the ref let it go on a little longer, as the result would’ve been the same; with a few more of those shots landing (Rampage had him in a totally vulnerable position), Chuck WOULD’VE been out-out, and the ref would’ve risked Chuck getting seriously, permanently injured.

So the result wouldn’t have changed, it just would’ve come a few seconds later. So I guess that makes it fair for the ref to have stopped it when he did.

[quote]blitzkrg wrote:
I feel this was an early stoppage…
I watched it in slow mo several times…

No doubt CL got rocked… no doubt he hit the floor, but he only took 2 1/2 punches (1 kinda brushed off his face = 1/2)
and the ref stopped it.
on the 3rd punch, chuck was in the process of sitting up…

now if the fighter is out cold, then certainly stop it, but if he is dazed and down, then give him a few minutes to work through it, if he gets knocked out while down, then so be it, but i think it was stopped to soon and i don’t think he was beyond coming back at that point…

perhaps it would have ended the same, i don’t care one way or the other, but i think as the champion he should have been given the benefit of the doubt and as people who get beat up for a living (and beat people up) they should be able to take a few punches without the ref stepping in…

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[quote]Damici wrote:
I’ve watched the slow-mo replay a few times and to me it ‘technically’ looked like an early stoppage, but only from the standpoint that, like you said, it looked like Chuck started actively trying to defend himself at the end a little, so he wasn’t really OUT-out.

But it would’ve made zero difference if the ref let it go on a little longer, as the result would’ve been the same; with a few more of those shots landing (Rampage had him in a totally vulnerable position), Chuck WOULD’VE been out-out, and the ref would’ve risked Chuck getting seriously, permanently injured.

So the result wouldn’t have changed, it just would’ve come a few seconds later. So I guess that makes it fair for the ref to have stopped it when he did.

blitzkrg wrote:
I feel this was an early stoppage…
I watched it in slow mo several times…

No doubt CL got rocked… no doubt he hit the floor, but he only took 2 1/2 punches (1 kinda brushed off his face = 1/2)
and the ref stopped it.
on the 3rd punch, chuck was in the process of sitting up…

now if the fighter is out cold, then certainly stop it, but if he is dazed and down, then give him a few minutes to work through it, if he gets knocked out while down, then so be it, but i think it was stopped to soon and i don’t think he was beyond coming back at that point…

perhaps it would have ended the same, i don’t care one way or the other, but i think as the champion he should have been given the benefit of the doubt and as people who get beat up for a living (and beat people up) they should be able to take a few punches without the ref stepping in…

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Frankly, I thought it was an excellent stoppage. Liddell went completely limp with an elbow from Rampage, which is cause enough to call the fight. Strangely, Rampage’s last blow before the stoppage actually woke him up somewhat.

Still, I’d take early stoppages over late ones anyday. Some of the famously bad ones from the good old days of Pride FC still make me a bit nauseous when I think about them.

[quote]booger wrote:

Frankly, I thought it was an excellent stoppage. Liddell went completely limp with an elbow from Rampage, which is cause enough to call the fight. Strangely, Rampage’s last blow before the stoppage actually woke him up somewhat.

Still, I’d take early stoppages over late ones anyday. Some of the famously bad ones from the good old days of Pride FC still make me a bit nauseous when I think about them.[/quote]

Completely agreed. I thought it was excellent work by Big John.

[quote]booger wrote:

Still, I’d take early stoppages over late ones anyday. Some of the famously bad ones from the good old days of Pride FC still make me a bit nauseous when I think about them.[/quote]

Randleman/CroCop from Total Elimination 2004 is scary to watch. Kevin dropped about 5 hammer fists onto Mirko’s face before the ref tackled him. Not even the ref’s fault really, though I have no idea why he was behind Kevin to begin with.

[quote]Damici wrote:
I wouldn’t go so far as to call Chuck stupid, but I would say that he’s not very well-spoken. Usually intelligence and speaking well go together, but not always. I think he’s just more of a shy, reserved type of guy, so speaking publicly is not his forte.
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For four years I saw Chuck in the bar he worked at and around town at the popular restaurants in San Luis Obispo. I rarely saw him talk so I tend to think he really doesn’t like speaking publicly. And I don’t think a degree makes someone smart but I think it makes them a candidate not to be stupid.

As far as what someone said about not stopping the fight. I am a Chuck fan so I wanted to believe it was an early stop but his entire body went limp as he got hit on the ground. It was a good stop.

[quote]booger wrote:

Still, I’d take early stoppages over late ones anyday. Some of the famously bad ones from the good old days of Pride FC still make me a bit nauseous when I think about them.[/quote]

My wife loves fighters coming back form prolonged beatings. She said the greatest thing she ever saw (in mma) was Sakuraba coming back to beat that Lithuanian guy in Heros. She said she “kandou shimashita” which is like filled with great awe and inspiration. lol Japanese people

[quote]otoko wrote:
booger wrote:

Still, I’d take early stoppages over late ones anyday. Some of the famously bad ones from the good old days of Pride FC still make me a bit nauseous when I think about them.

My wife loves fighters coming back form prolonged beatings. She said the greatest thing she ever saw (in mma) was Sakuraba coming back to beat that Lithuanian guy in Heros. She said she “kandou shimashita” which is like filled with great awe and inspiration. lol Japanese people[/quote]

Damn I don’t mean this in a bad way but your wife is twisted! That shit makes me cringe, I can’t stand that 1 or 2 punches that get landed after someone is out cold before the ref can interven.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:

Randleman/CroCop from Total Elimination 2004 is scary to watch.
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Thompson-Yoshida is the one that makes me cringe.

[quote]otoko wrote:
booger wrote:

Still, I’d take early stoppages over late ones anyday. Some of the famously bad ones from the good old days of Pride FC still make me a bit nauseous when I think about them.

My wife loves fighters coming back form prolonged beatings. She said the greatest thing she ever saw (in mma) was Sakuraba coming back to beat that Lithuanian guy in Heros. She said she “kandou shimashita” which is like filled with great awe and inspiration. lol Japanese people[/quote]

Every time Sakuraba steps in a ring now I’m a little worried (maybe not this weekend, not like royce could do anything…)

Something about the refs in Japan freaked me out. When I saw him take blow after blow from wanderlei, I realized that they were going to let it go on for as long as he wanted. Sakuraba is going to end up making Ali look like Foreman.

If there was one fight that actually made me recoil in fear for a fighters life it would have been Arona vs Saku. Holy Crap,that was nerve racking.

[quote]Naphta wrote:
otoko wrote:
booger wrote:

Still, I’d take early stoppages over late ones anyday. Some of the famously bad ones from the good old days of Pride FC still make me a bit nauseous when I think about them.

My wife loves fighters coming back form prolonged beatings. She said the greatest thing she ever saw (in mma) was Sakuraba coming back to beat that Lithuanian guy in Heros. She said she “kandou shimashita” which is like filled with great awe and inspiration. lol Japanese people

Every time Sakuraba steps in a ring now I’m a little worried (maybe not this weekend, not like royce could do anything…)

Something about the refs in Japan freaked me out. When I saw him take blow after blow from wanderlei, I realized that they were going to let it go on for as long as he wanted. Sakuraba is going to end up making Ali look like Foreman.
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This reminds me of when Rickson Gracie fought Funaki. Funaki said it would be better to die than lose. He was eventually choked out. He said when he woke up and realized he wasn’t dead he felt great shame.

Liddell was definately out and it was an excellent stoppage.

He went limp and it was another punch that knocked him back in to consciousness. Big John said this himself and you do see it a lot in MMA.

You could even hear Chuck asking his corner “What happened?”

[quote]AdamC wrote:
You could even hear Chuck asking his corner “What happened?”
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I heard when he asked his corner that. That really told me he got rocked. I am curious to see what will be next for him. I am a fan so hopefully something good.

[quote]vbm537 wrote:
I am curious to see what will be next for him. I am a fan so hopefully something good.[/quote]

Dana is trying to make Chuck-Wandy finally happen. It makes sense now that both guys are trying to come back from brutal KO losses. I suspect Wandy will be willing to end his self-imposed sabbatical for a shot at Chuck.