The Ultimate PCT

Pharma / TRT
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I found this PCT on another site. This is from Arthur Rea and I think it comes from his book Building the Perfect Beast. The Blasting Big Balls protocol is apparently used after long cycles or in cycles where one never fully recovers from a normal PCT. Does anyone have any expeirence with these substances? The ide appeals to me. I think you could sub Aromasin for formastane.

Blasting Big Balls Protocol: (right from the book)
Day

  1. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Lupron .35mg
  2. Lupron .35 mg
  3. Lupron .35 mg
  4. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Lupron .35mg
  5. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
  6. Lupron .35 mg
  7. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
  8. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Pergonal
  9. HCG 2000iu
  10. Pergonal
  11. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg
  12. Pergonal/HCG 2000iu
  13. Pergonal
  14. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/HCG 2000iu
  15. Pergonal
  16. HCG 2000iu
  17. Pergonal
  18. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg
  19. Pergonal/HCG 2000iu
  21. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/HCG 2000iu
  22. Lupron .35 mg
  23. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
  24. Lupron .35 mg
  25. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Lupron .35mg
  26. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
  27. Lupron .35 mg
  28. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu

Pergonal is HMG comes in 75 iu of FSH and 75 iu of LH per single dose vial. And it is a Sub-Q. Generic version is IM. About $11.
It says that in almost all cases where HPTA function has been inhibited by the negative feedback loop due to AAS use, activity can be restored in about THREE months. The key factors are:
1.) Control or elimination of negative feedback loops factors such as estrogen and prolactin.
2,) Reinitiating of pituitary and testes function.
Okay, so the use of an anti-prolactin like cabergoline or bromocriptine is needed, as is an anti-aromatase (anti-estrogen) such as Arimidex or Formastane for elimination of negative feedback loops. Reinitiating of the pituitary glands and testes function is a matter of supplying GnRH, LH and FSH in the correct sequence to avoid additional feedback loops.

2

I’ve read that and as with all of R’s stuff it’s REAL interesting. Can’t comment much more other then that I kinda dismissed it because I dont’ know where the hell to get like 1/4 of that stuff.

3

Isn’t HCG later in PCT a bad idea because it can actually slow recovery rather than aid it?

5

Whats with the lupron??

6

The idea of how much you use and using it in conjunction with aromasin is supposed to cover the “don’t use hcg when you’re off cycle” dilema. I have not tried it but have looked at AR’s work on the matter many times and he seems to have his bases covered. But I’m sure I could be missing something that would dispute what AR says otherwise, wich is where the back and forth comes in. IMO unless you where on for a very long time ie. more then 1/2 year to a year I wouldn’t likely bother with hcg at all. Some people disagree,also I seem to have noticed that older aas users seem to prefer to use it.

I don’t know wtf lupron is either.

7

I believe anthony robert’s PCT of aromasin and nolvadex along with HCG would be best.

AG-Guys

8

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
I don’t know wtf lupron is either.[/quote]

Lupron is a gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonists. It’s given to men with prostate cancer and to women with fibroids and endometriosis.

Tone

9

Ag-guys = AR’s parrot. SQUAK! SQUAK!Buy our aromasin or walk the plank SQUAK!

10

As I have said before. You are much better off with using a testosterone taper. Stay tuned I have just recieved a wad-full of research, and I should be comming out with a concrete tapering protocol to offset all these internet frauds. Later. p-22

11

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Ag-guys = AR’s parrot. SQUAK! SQUAK!Buy our aromasin or walk the plank SQUAK![/quote]

First salvo

12

Nice… Wait, Wait… How does it work??? Copy, then paste, right? OK, got it. Soon I will come out with my own steroid E-BOOK. Stay tuned.

13

[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
As I have said before. You are much better off with using a testosterone taper. Stay tuned I have just recieved a wad-full of research, and I should be comming out with a concrete tapering protocol to offset all these internet frauds. Later. p-22[/quote]

Good deal.

15

No salvo, just a good old fashioned dig by a dick :slight_smile:

16

Oh and I see that we have a bunch of fancy new compounds in our pct that the some how the marketing guys have used their ‘marketing 101’ expertise to make us believe that we absolutely NEED these compounds for our pct. -And of course hmm, where are we going to buy this crap from??? What BULL SHIT! let me guess Overforty, you probably are affiliated with one of those WebFraud Sites eh?

You see folks that is what these people do. It is all a marketing ploy. They convince you that you Need the product and then they of course are one of the few that actually sell it. So who is the sucker here?

They certainly don’t care about your hpta health, they are the ones laughing all the way to the bank at your expence.

Just look at the cocky tone of ag-guys. Sounds like cash registers ringing in the background :).

17

Wow! Wow! Wow!..wow!

P-22 take it eaaasssy man :slight_smile: I’m pretty damn sure 40 has zip zero nada zilch nothing to do with AG or any research chem company at all. He’s just refferencing Al Rea’s pct protocol. It’s either from Building Perfect Beast or Chemical Muscle Enhancement, if you’d like I can pm you a link to get the e-books for free. They’re pretty interesting imo. The books came out WAAAY before ag guys or lmnop zyx guys or any other research chem company that’s pimps here existed.

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[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Wow! Wow! Wow!..wow!

P-22 take it eaaasssy man :slight_smile: I’m pretty damn sure 40 has zip zero nada zilch nothing to do with AG or any research chem company at all. He’s just refferencing Al Rea’s pct protocol. It’s either from Building Perfect Beast or Chemical Muscle Enhancement, if you’d like I can pm you a link to get the e-books for free. They’re pretty interesting imo. The books came out WAAAY before ag guys or lmnop zyx guys or any other research chem company that’s pimps here existed. [/quote]

Wideguy you have to realise that these steroid books will never make the NewYork’s ten best seller’s list, so obviously there is another reason for putting the book out, and they are usually sold at the same sites that sell these compounds.

quit being a sheep bro.

19

P22:

I am not getting into a pissing match. I have no commercial interest in this area, nor do I source anything. There is a lot of empirical evidence that hypogonadism from AAS persists long after the AAS end.

In the literature, it is usually HCG and clomid that seems to resolve the issue, especially in fertility issues where sperm count has been impacted by AAS use. There is plenty of evidence that using traditional PCT drugs will help you recover. Just google anabolic steroid induced hypogonadisim and read the abstracts.

If you are really a nurse you should recognize Lupron and Pergonal as fertility drugs, and you won’t find either at a local research site. For the record I use phamacy grade SERMS and AI’s.

This is an Arthur Rea PCT protocol for intense/long duration cycles. In researching Lupron and Pergonal it makes sense to me why they would be in this PCT, same with Cabergoline.

My interest in this is in planning for a longish cycle and making sure I can recover equal to or greater than when I started. I have used HCG during my previous cycles and it is way easier on me than notusing it at least for me.

Here is an example of a study with HCG:

Postgraduate Medical Journal, 1998, Vol 74, 45-46

ARTICLES
Anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism treated with human chorionic gonadotropin
GV Gill
Endocrine Unit, Walton Hospital, Liverpool, UK.
A case is presented of a young competitive body-builder who abused anabolic steroid drugs and developed profound symptomatic hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism. With the help of prescribed testosterone (Sustanon) he stopped taking anabolic drugs, and later stopped Sustanon also. Hypogonadism returned, but was successfully treated with weekly injections of human chorionic gonadotropin for three months. Testicular function remained normal thereafter on no treatment. The use of human chorionic gonadotropin should be considered in prolonged hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism due to anabolic steroid abuse.

? The Fellowship of Postgraduate Medicine, 1998

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[quote]Over40 wrote:
P22:

I am not getting into a pissing match. I have no commercial interest in this area, nor do I source anything. There is a lot of empirical evidence that hypogonadism from AAS persists long after the AAS end.

In the literature, it is usually HCG and clomid that seems to resolve the issue, especially in fertility issues where sperm count has been impacted by AAS use. There is plenty of evidence that using traditional PCT drugs will help you recover. Just google anabolic steroid induced hypogonadisim and read the abstracts.

If you are really a nurse you should recognize Lupron and Pergonal as fertility drugs, and you won’t find either at a local research site. For the record I use phamacy grade SERMS and AI’s.

This is an Arthur Rea PCT protocol for intense/long duration cycles. In researching Lupron and Pergonal it makes sense to me why they would be in this PCT, same with Cabergoline.

My interest in this is in planning for a longish cycle and making sure I can recover equal to or greater than when I started. I have used HCG during my previous cycles and it is way easier on me than notusing it at least for me.

Here is an example of a study with HCG:

Postgraduate Medical Journal, 1998, Vol 74, 45-46

ARTICLES
Anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism treated with human chorionic gonadotropin
GV Gill
Endocrine Unit, Walton Hospital, Liverpool, UK.
A case is presented of a young competitive body-builder who abused anabolic steroid drugs and developed profound symptomatic hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism. With the help of prescribed testosterone (Sustanon) he stopped taking anabolic drugs, and later stopped Sustanon also. Hypogonadism returned, but was successfully treated with weekly injections of human chorionic gonadotropin for three months. Testicular function remained normal thereafter on no treatment. The use of human chorionic gonadotropin should be considered in prolonged hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism due to anabolic steroid abuse.

? The Fellowship of Postgraduate Medicine, 1998

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o.k I don’t work in a fertility clinic, so point taken.
But someone explain to me why a eugonadic male needs to take fertility medication?

Do women need these meds when they go off the birth control pill?

no of course not.

Then why do we need them when we go off steroids?