I’m not sure where ART and other soft tissue stuff falls, but my experience with those has been good. 
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For me, I always choose a chiro with a background in A.R.T. or something similar. Great combo of skills. Big bonus points if the chiro is a lifter.
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I don’t know about a “Trauma Team”, although I’d be game! I’ve dissected nearly 100 cadavers - I know how to take people apart much better than putting them back together! You can catch my work here: Cadavers In Motion | NSCA
But, I guarantee, there are many “emergent” situations that could use a good manual therapist and would go home pain-free to greatly improved. So many musculoskeletal issues are minor in nature.
Anecdote, My daughter fell ice-skating a couple of years ago and broke her wrist. She wrapped it up and came to me and said her daddy would fix it. I took one look, minor as it looked, and said I don’t think what I do could help her. ER visit, and a bone set and casting later, she understood why!
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If you want some comic relief, here is a podcast I did recently on the subject of Chiropractic. The Cerebral Edge Show - Episode 9- Dr. Grove Higgins - The Myths and Problems of Chiropractic Care - YouTube
@H0M3R_j4y very possibly. There is a reason why the piriformis is contracted; since it is a muscle, it moves joints. Fix the joint problem… fix the muscle problem!
Shoot me a Zip code, and I can help find you one who can do both!
I’d choose the typical MD from the neighborhood to close me up. You can take your chances with the chiropractor’s skill with sutures.
@Rp2311 I have issues with that as a general rule as well. The docs I work with, mentored under, and respect have about a 2-3 visit results curve, and that’s it. That is possible with supportive exercise-based therapy and a home program.
HOWEVER, repetition is the currency of the human body. If you want something to change, the parameters have to change over a long enough time to make it stick. This goes for strength and conditioning, steroid use, nutrition, medications, and other changes. I have co-worked patients with many of the high repetition chiropractors over the years (Pettibon and CBP) and seen results that orthopedically “do not happen” or are unbelievable, such as normalization of reversed cervical curve and restoration of a lumbar disc that was only millimeters thick and was considered a fusable joint.
However, what is the difference between multiple chiropractic visits with no supportive therapies and lifelong medical visits for problems, like obesity and diabetes, without behavioral changes being core to the treatment? Only that insurance will pay greatly for one (1) and not for the other?
- Annual cost for Type II Diabetes $16,752/year - The Cost of Diabetes | ADA NOT TO MENTION the quality of life and family-related stress it causes.
This comment makes no sense whatsoever. I have not seen any chiropractor claim to stitch people up. Nor has there been anyone comment in the article or comment made in response to the article that implied that a chiropractor would or could stitch someone up. What you said is the equivalent of saying, “I trust my local farmer to grow my vegetables. You can take you chances with your local mechanic.” in a conversation about gardening. It doesn’t make sense. But since you brought it up, I would not trust my local MD to take care of the pain in my low back. All they do is prescribe drugs to cover up the pain rather than fix what is causing the pain. So, it depends of what ails you. Something requiring stitches was not even part of the conversation.
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Didn’t you say they have the same training?
How quick we forget… You were the one who suggested a chiropractor might be as well educated for trauma care as an MD.
How might a chiropractor be as good a trauma care physician as a MD, since you admit that they might not be so good at sutures?
You like arguing as much as I do.
When did I bring that up? I expect you to quote from one of my posts. Good luck on that.
You mentioned chiropractors in trauma care, when you replied above. Sutures are frequently used in trauma care. That is a single example that “your typical MD from your neighborhood family practice” could contribute. I couldn’t think of a single thing that a chiropractor could contribute in trauma care that a trauma nurse wouldn’t do better. Can you give me some help here.
How about trying a balanced attack on both chiropractors and MD.s?
Why not say that you have better results for back pain with chiropractic medicine than traditional medicine? Are you aware that some orthopedic groups have a chiropractor on staff along with a pain management physician.
Thanks very much for your reply. That’s good to hear, I’m very tempted to give a chiropractor a go. However, I’m in the UK, so unless you know any good UK based chiropractors then I may need to find one myself!
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@H0M3R_j4y I know how to search for decent practitioners of all types. Here is one of my resources with credentials I trust. Some are DC, DPT, LMT and the like. ART is a soft tissue technique, but the base skill is going to be superb. Let me know who you find and I can help qualify them for your specific problem. Find a Provider - Active Release Techniques
Excellent post. Chiropractors have the training to not only to relieve pain and resolve injuries, but also to optimize the body’s physiology. Period.
Find a DC that will take interest in your whole health and partner with you in your quest for optimal health and performance.
David Doyle DC
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Pancaked 2 discs in my first strongman comp in 2001 holding on to a log press WAY after I should have dumped it. Spent 2 years afterward in constant agony contemplating suicide as it was so bad, even a sneeze or wrong step felt like someone was driving a knife into my vertebrae.
Saw a handful of medical specialists, and their only advice was “get a rod put in your back and prepare to be sedentary for your adult life.” At 27, this was NOT an option. I watched as multiple people I knew went the surgery route and were never the same again afterward, every one of them said they had regrets.
Eventually noticed a billboard for a Chiro clinic that claimed they could help when all else failed. So, I went, figuring I had nothing to lose but some money at that point if it didn’t work as I was desperate. Signed up for 30 sessions of adjustments and DRX decompression therapy, and went to work trying to get better. The first few weeks, no real improvement going 2x/week. Then, about 12 sessions in, I was taking a walk and stepped off a curb wrong - normally this would have me shouting out in pain, but I felt nothing. That moment motivated me to keep trusting the process, and by my 25th session, I was 95% pain-free, and what pain I’d occasionally get was nothing compared to what it once was.
Fast forward 22 years and here I am, still training hard and chasing the last 25 lbs to hit a 600 lb deadlift before my 50th birthday comes around in 11 months. Also ended up working with another Chiro who was a CrossFit competitor who used ART and Graston therapy to cure my tennis elbow flare-ups every few years within a session or two. No matter what the naysayers claim, chiropractic is why I didn’t have to live as a cripple for the bulk of my life, and I’ll always recommend it to those who don’t want to just go under the knife and risk losing their ability to progress physically.
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As in any field, there are good chiros and bad chiros. I’ve been working with my chiro for nearly 15 years. Yes, I actually trust the guy lol. I originally sought him out as he was the only chiro in my area with extensive ART certification and experience. Truthfully, ART work comprises 90% of our sessions. He will do the occasional back or neck manipulation, but even he will tell you that ART is meant to keep you from returning to the chiro as it can often solve problems permanently. Great guy.
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“Most unbiased”. Not perfect as mentioned.
Not sure who youre trying to respond to here. Your statements dont refute anything ive written. Just more superflous nonsense. As if people don’t realize that there are bad Medical Doctors and bad studies and bad actors. This is boring.
Yes, but stitches were still not part of the conversation.
Not all MDs are trained for trauma care. You continue to act as though all MDs are trained to do the exact same things. There would be no need for “board certifications” if in fact they were all trained the same way. Upon graduation and residency completion, they are dubbed “medical doctor”. Then they go on to get other certifications following more training in their specialty of choice. Trauma care is one such specialty.
I have not said anywhere that a chiropractor would be as good as the MD who also had training for trauma care. However, I would trust a chiropractor just as much as I would trust the MD who was not trained in trauma care. Like I said, MDs kill, main and poison 15 million people a year.
Yeah, probably.
Quoted. You brought up the subject of having someone not qualified to do a job.
I thought I made it very clear that I have had better results for back pain than traditional medicine, but if there was ever a doubt, I have had better results for back pain and limb movement and strength from chiropractors that traditional medicine and no. I do not go to orthopedic groups, although I probably should for my shoulder.
Then why are you here?
Many people go to school and pass the tests for getting a piece of paper that says they passed the test. However, the CDC still reports that those who passed the test and are now called “doctor” kill, maim or poison 15 million people every single year in the USA alone. Over 90,000 of them die. I could probably stitch someone up better than many MDs. I am not knocking all MDs. I was knocking the argument that chiropractors can’t fix anything.