Why did he rack the slide in a few of those draws? Was that part of the test? I thought it was common to carry with 1 in the chamber.
Been there, done that, got the airsoft welts. 
Holy shit, nine years ago.
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What’s funny is one way we would demonstrate disarming an officer during weapons retention training would be to pull the cop into a closed guard and then take the weapon from his holster. I wonder if the majority of times a cop is disarmed is from a grappling scenario and not some fancy movie disarm while the weapon is pointed at a suspect.
LOL…know what you mean, just glad you are training, brother.
In my experience, every time a officer lost his gun in a struggle, it was in a “street wrestling match”., or, the cop was carrying a cheap ankle holster and his backup when flying out trying to handcuff some drunk. I have never seen anyone use a disarm method to take a cop’s handgun away.
I have seen the following:
Handguns ripped from supposedly retention proof holsters by peeps high on PCP or Meth.
Handguns dropping from holsters after cops failed to secure them properly.
Handguns falling out of cheap ankle holsters during fights or foot chases.
Officers dropping their handguns in the dark after attempting to jump some barrier.
Wearing a back up during the winter in a shoulder holster under the police jacket, having the perp rip it out during a “stand up” brawl in a bar.
The only time that I remember something being close to a “legitimate disarm” was when we hit a drug house and one of guy’s carrying a shotgun came around a bathroom door and the perp grabbed the barrel and tried to pull it out of the detective’s hands. Very poor technique from the detective and a poor choice for a entry into a home which was large , but, had many sub sized rooms. This was a multi-agency warrant and not everyone was trained to standards.
That was a “military” move. I know of about 6 different armies that will not allow a round in the chamber. That was the only thing, I could thing he was doing, or, some trainers and civilians will not have a round chambered in their homes , if they have small children, instead counting on their training to chamber a round faster enough when needed. I don’t care how trained or fast you are, if you have to chamber a round at the start of the fight, you are already behind the curve.
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Thought for the day: LEO’s, Military, Armed civilians: If you carry a weapon, never forget, you have the means to your own death.
The first truth or understanding of street threats is that the bad guy always has the ambush advantage. The bad guy knows when they are going to attack; they have the advantage of selecting the time to attack and often the place to attack. Focusing on police officers, there are more than 50,000 attacks on law enforcement annually, 80% of these are done without weapons.
Many of these attacks often follow a familiar phase of attack. This phase of attack is: surprise/ambush of the officer, an attempt to overwhelm and attempt to incapacitate the officer by knocking them out or killing them. Over half of the shootings of officers are done with the officer’s own weapon. The close proximity of possible threats limits the ability of the officer to utilize their firearm and intermediate weapons. Realize your comfort zones, be aware of your surroundings and understand if you are within touching range you are within punching range.
Thought for the day (2): Talk about timing, got sent this by another instructor who is currently teaching a class.
We did Force on Force TD’s to test it and basically everyone got stuck at 21 feet unless they were standing staring at the attacker and waiting for him/her to lunge. With fast and athletic adults both male and female and actual perception time, 1.5sec/21’ doesn’t wash. Train ahead of what you think you’ll need on game day.
Tueller Drill test. “2012 episode “Duel Dilemmas”. At 20 ft (6.1 m), the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot.” Again, that is with people waiting for a known attack from a known attacker.
Movement is life.
That’s odd to me. Since if an infantryman NEEDS a pistol in a war zone the shit has hit the fan big time. Do militaries have an outsized problem with negligent discharges from pistols vs rifles? I know they don’t roll around warzones without a round in the chamber of their rifles.
As Rex Applegate would say: The pistol is just a way to fight back to the rifle you never should have put down in the first place.
My cousin is a C130 crew chief for the Marines. They dropped off a patrol at a landing strip near Falujah. Land, kick the guys out, take off and the props never stop turning. After they’re back in the air they find a tricked out M4 still on the plane. The captain left his rifle under his seat. He had to do the entire patrol with just his side arm.
I would say on average “no”, but, old dogma survives in the military like no other place.
Side note about AD’s.
Baghdad, 2006:
There was a large military dining facility behind the old Republican Guard Palace. You were allowed to carry your weapons into the facility, only after you had cleared the weapons chamber in a “clearing barrel” . This was loosely enforced by a couple of static guards outside the entrance.
At least once week (on average), while standing in line at the clearing barrel, someone would pop around off into the barrel, doesn’t get anymore embarrassing than to have a AD in front of about 50 people. lol.
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Thought for the day:
The next truth or understanding of street threats is to not fight with the bad guy. Do not go into grappling or a stand up with fight with the bad buy, regardless of your training. This is not a prizefight, there are no rules on the street and losing could mean your life.
Avoid going into a fight and maintain the distance, if you cannot maintain the distance neutralize the initial threat.
This neutralization is ceasing the attempt by the bad guy to overwhelm you; you must reduce the effectiveness of the attack (most often a flurry of punches) and maintain control of your weapon(s) if armed. Effectively controlling the attempt to overwhelm, protecting your weapon(s) and achieving a position of advantage are the essential steps to surviving any attack.
The final truth or understanding is simple… There is no tap out; this is a fight for your life.
Thought for the day (2):
“The desire to win is universal, the will to prepare is where it falls apart. How much would it be worth to you if you needed the skills and the cupboard was bare? Train like the fight is coming soon … because it just might be.”
Thought for the day (3): Speaking of “takedowns” .LOL
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I remember there being a rash of them back then. During my 07 deployment, we were in Iskandariyah for a short bit. They had multiple NDs (I’ve always been taught these were negligent and not ‘accidental’) in the short time we were there. Apparently it got so bad there that they started posting a corporal or sergeant at the clearing barrel to walk everyone through the steps…and they were still having NDs. Supposedly the next step was to get rid of the barrels and lo and behold, no more NDs.
I never understood the point of downloading a holstered pistol anyway. If you’re carrying a rifle or SAW into the DFAC (yes, I saw it) then absolutely - I’d rather not get popped by some guy juggling his tray and rifle while navigating the crowd. When we were at FOBs that enforced the downloading, we would just drop our pistol mag before coming in so the mess sergeant would see an empty mag well and assume we had followed protocol.
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I was confronted by a woman last year who for lack of a better term “showed” me her gun. The little kind of rusty .25 she carries now in her rear left pocket after our last confrontation that she initiated.
She did this by first telling me " Look what I have now after the last time!" Then completely telegraphed her idiocy, followed by showing me where she kept it, then holding it like Vanna White used to showcase shiny stuff. All within 4-8 feet.
I couldn’t help but think that I should take it off of her just on principal but almost couldn’t stop laughing at the sheer dumbness of it.
Like it never occurred to her for even a second that everything can go fatally wrong in the blink of an eye with a weapon she brought into the situation.
It got so bad at the Palace, FOB Union 3, and Leatherneck, they started posting MP’s. When I was up north in Kurdistan, I was never checked.
Good Lord, the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. Lucky you were not shot.
Motivation Monday:
Thought for the day: I have no words for this. No wait. How about: unbelievable, sad, incompetent government, brutal, waste, savage, death as casual as drinking a glass of water, trapped in a place more violent than Afghanistan, fear of losing your child walking to school. This is a city out of control.