Thought for the day (2):
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I don’t want to get political but, I can’t help thinking that if this were a predominantly white community then something would be getting done to stop it. I lived in an inner city and I really did feel like I was living somewhere that no one cared about. In some ways it’s like when you hear Vietnam vets talk about how they weren’t allowed to win the war. Obviously that is debatable but I know cops and teachers, funny how there are so many parallels between the two, who feel that there are forces keeping them from “winning” the war. At this point I don’t think anything short of martial law will work.
Thought for the day:
"Sometimes I don’t want to talk, I just want to fight. How many of us feel like that? You might feel like the baddest guy on the block but there’s a guy out there who feels no differently than you and he’s better conditioned, better prepared and it’s likely given the right circumstances he’s going to wipe the floor clean with you. I’m reminded of an old story where a large group of us outnumbered a smaller group that was better armed with a hammer, morning star, knife and some other tools. Despite how many cool moves we had the fighting spirit left my weaker-minded friends when a hammer smashed one down. What were we supposed to do? Not everyone thinks like you. We dragged him away to regroup and they pursued eventually shooting at us until the police came in pursuit. They and their fleeing mini truck were never located.
I think it was Mike Tyson who stated that everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face. My friends are all grown up now, married and with kids most likely. Try doing time in the pen because you couldn’t just walk away. Life goes on and no one cares when you get out. Most of us survived youth. Some lost the fire. Some still hold it and continually stoke it. If you’re feeling like there’s a fight inside of you I recommend taking it into the gym and onto the mat and see what kind of gas you have. Reality tells the truth. Unless you’re exercising, practicing self defense and learning to shoot I recommend that you keep your feelings to yourself and stay locked in your room. Leave when you’ve had some time to cool. It might save you, your family, and the friends you love a world of hurt".
Thought for the day:
“Claw your way to your feet no matter what brought you down and keep moving. It’s the principle that has kept many of us alive overseas when things got dicey … daily life is no different … Stay low, head up, keep moving and find a better spot to fight from…be ready to counter attack if you get the opportunity”
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I’ve watched Kyle’s mindset brief before. I like what he has to say. But, then there’s what you’re saying here and I get to thinking. What does this mindset talk accomplish? In the end there is only action. You either are that person or you aren’t and all the talk in the world won’t change it.
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I remember Royce Gracie was talking about training people to fight and/or defend themselves and he said that he couldn’t turn a leopard into a lion or something to that effect. You just go with the student as he or she is.
I just saw this, details so far are sketchy. I wrote this out, then figured to let Idaho or batman post it, now that they haven’t here goes.
I suppose killings of police aren’t just in the States and non first world countries. I remember a few years ago around the same area several officers were gunned down. I am also reminded of someone out in Alberta had a Heckler and Koch .308 and killed another few officers.
This was the news I woke up to today. Rest in peace brother and sister.
You are referring to Mayerthorpe, Alberta back in 2005 when 4 of my brothers were murdered by a farmer armed with an H&K G3 during a property seizure. The inquiry that followed in 2011 is the reason that I have a carbine and hard body armour in my patrol car today. The inquiry found that those officers were basically defensless against a battle rifle.
Yet in 2014 in Moncton, New Brunswick 3 of more of my brothers were gunned down by a piece of trash armed with a cheap M14 rifle and still they had not been provided with an effective weapon system to respond, despite the fact that the C8 (M4) carbine had already been selected and purchased for that purpose. The RCMP was charged and convicted under the labour code in that case.
Yet and still the public cries about the ‘militarization of police’ saying front line officers shouldn’t have ‘assault rifles’. Sadly there are still a few dinosaurs out there in senior management who agree and too many front line cops who scoff at front line members who they see as too tactically minded.
I recently went to a threat of suicide by cop. Reportedly a drunk guy had a rifle and wanted police to shoot him. The threat didn’t materialize, but I sure felt better creeping up on the house with a carbine that I know I am effective with easily at 100m than I would have with just my pistol.
Outside, out in the open, handguns vs someone with a semi auto rifle, especially if he has taken up a decent position, screw that. 20 cops wouldn’t be enough.
Maybe I’m wrong but it seems that a lot of these situations occur on farms or places that are more open. I wonder if there is a correlation between rifle ownership and living in places that make it an effective weapon for defense (and varmint control). If I lived in an apartment I would go for a handgun. If I lived in the country I would prefer a rifle.
I wonder if you think it was tactically dangerous, when having seen 2 people on the ground to just sort of walk into it. that is the impression I get from this article. Still no word on a motive.
Yep, pistol vs rifle is a bad day, especially in the open. I know in rural areas rifles are pretty much everywhere. That said, I doubt too many farmers have a G3 lying around for varmint control etc. I say the Mayerthorpe shooter was a “farmer”, but it was a marijuana grow and he knew the police were coming to execute a warrant after they found the grow. It was a planned ambush.
Moncton was the same, except the shooter deliberately went out in camp with a rifle and a shotgun, knowing police would be called. Again, a planned ambush.
Nonetheless, I take your point and I expect there’s something to it.
Well I don’t know how we can tell much from the article, but yeah, generally if people are being killed, the cops go in an effort to stop more people from being killed. You can’t wait a few hours for a tactical team. You go with whatever kit and training you have in that moment. It’s an unplanned event that may be ongoing. It is inherently ‘tactically dangerous’.
I see what you are saying, and I don’t hope to sound stupid. I just figure if 2 people are down might the responding officers split up and each find defilade? And then work their way around? Or is it like just posted that they have no idea at first they are up against a long gun when they have maybe just pistols?
Yes, I agree. I used to try and teach a lot of “Tactical Mindset”, now, I don’t. I believe looking back, that I was just being stupid. Humans either want to be ready or they don’t. They either work hard or they don’t. They either want to be aware and ready or they don’t. They either want to be trained or they don’t. I don’t have the time to be a cheerleader anymore.
I have been on a detail for the past four days. I have not had time to research the two officers being killed. My condolences. Doesn’t matter if you are a cop in the Arctic Circle, someone will try to kill you.
True on both accounts. Police administrators remind me of all military ranks above Captain. Politics and never taking a chance to blemish that career rules the day, at the expense of the front line cops and soldiers.
It is a sad fact of life. It the bad guy has has some type of plan, then some one is going to die. The easiest way to kill a cop is just call 911, someone always shows up to be shot from ambush.
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Spot on. Trying to explain tactical mindset is almost always preaching to the choir and 'cheerleading for people who don’t want to be there. The guys who will hear you were already on the same page and didn’t really need to be told. The rest, it seems to go in one ear and out the other.
That said, some good conversations can come out of it, ideas can be refined and you can check yourself for any slippage you may be having mentally. But in the end, it all comes down to who is willing to do the work and who isn’t. You’re not going to change anybody.
“Culture change” is a buzzword these days in LE. Mostly it’s applied toworkplace harassment and morale issues. I’ve also heard it applied to fitness. I like the idea that you could somehow teach more cops to take fitness (and by extension tactical skills and mindset) more seriously, but I really don’t know if you can, or at least I don’t see how. If recent events haven’t done it, nothing I’m going to say will.
Regarding our brother and sister in Fredericton, yep whenever you put on a uniform you are a target. We have it nowhere near as bad up here as in the US, but the worst day of your life is only ever one radio call away. All you can do is be ready, look out for each other and take care of the stuff outside work that matters.
Truth. Other than in a SWAT situation, the bad guy almost always has the initiative and we are playing catch up. If he has thought to stack the deck heavily enough in his favour and has the resolve to follow through, it’s gonna be a bad day.
I understand what you are getting at. Still, there is no way to know what happened that day, based on the information I have seen. That said, you can do everything ‘right’ tactically and still end up dead sometimes.