The T-Nation Challenge(s)

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[quote]usaffirefighter wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Dude…

You are worried about one challenge. You need to be worried about:

  1. sumbission structure
  2. judging (who, what, when, where, how)
  3. many many challenges lined up (maybe take a vote) (What Chris said about BB’er type)
  4. Length

etc etc etc.

You have a good idea, which is like an infant, but rather than give it titty milk you are trying to shove a hamburger in its mouth. The infant will die without the right food, ya dig?[/quote]

Fair enough, a good analogy.

So… what now?

We have kinda agreed on 30 days,

Obviously haviing a mod or a someone like Thibs or shu as having a poster judging could cause problems, not logging in or posting etc. A mod will always be around.
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You’re going to need exact parameters for the skills in question. As far as your clean/press are you allowing any kind of a dip back under, more like a jerk, to get under the weight? Or is one hip drive all you get? Are you looking for any kind of clean (squat clean, power clean, hang clean). Does the bar come back to the floor for each rep? Hell for the really strong guys, do they have to separate the clean/press or can they power press/jerk it all the way overhead??

And that’s just for the skill portion. Judging will need to be a very specific process otherwise 27 people are going to find problems with each and every video sent in. Find a few credible judges that’ll agree to watching all the submissions, and their word stands, period. If certain posters don’t like it don’t have to compete. But this needs to be a very specific process. As many threads would prove, there’s not going to be a whole lot of “meh, good enough” going around.

Do the video submissions need a visible clock? Or is the Youtube timer okay?

Probably a lot more, this is just off the top of my head.[/quote]

Don’t sweat the details, if we get round to setting a challenge, we’ll discuss the individual rules for each challenge is set.

The rules and the guildines for the movement, what is and isn’t permissible.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but shouldn’t a challenge thread on a bodybuilding site include at least some physique-based goals, rather than everything being based on performance in the gym?

Maybe something quarterly or bi-annually, rather than more frequently. Not necessarily a full posedown, but the older BB comps had awards for best arms, best chest, most muscular, etc.

On that note, here’s one challenge I’d like to see everyone participate in: Post a current F’ing picture. Period. There are way too many people floating around giving advice that are 100% anonymous.[/quote]

Why do you and a few others insist on calling this a “bodybuilding site”?

Notwithstanding that I’ve never known this place as a “bodybuilding site” (if it were, I’d have never signed up), name 5 competitive bodybuilders that are regular posters.

Bodybuilding is a beauty contest. Are we going to have a beauty contest, or are some guys here going to move some weight and/or bust their asses?[/quote]]

I’m with BG on this.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Are we going to have a beauty contest, or are some guys here going to move some weight and/or bust their asses?[/quote]

I feel like we could accomplish both, no?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Are we going to have a beauty contest, or are some guys here going to move some weight and/or bust their asses?[/quote]

I feel like we could accomplish both, no?[/quote]

Unless its huge weight loss i dnt really know what we could judge, it takes a long time to build luscle etc and unless contest prep is going i dnt know how we could structure it

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Are we going to have a beauty contest, or are some guys here going to move some weight and/or bust their asses?[/quote]

I feel like we could accomplish both, no?[/quote]

No. C’mon. A beauty contest is inexact by nature. The weights and the reps do not lie.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Are we going to have a beauty contest, or are some guys here going to move some weight and/or bust their asses?[/quote]

I feel like we could accomplish both, no?[/quote]

No. C’mon. A beauty contest is inexact by nature. The weights and the reps do not lie. [/quote]

Oh BB’ing type ones would be very subjective and spawn pages of back-and-forth, which is half the fun, lol.

Having a seperate thread (at the risk of “spamming” a section) would prevent one from fuckign up the other.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Why do you and a few others insist on calling this a “bodybuilding site”? [/quote]
Because from the first issue in 1998, it was clearly stated:
"Look, our main reason in establishing this website is that we’re in the process of putting together the most informative, irreverent physique magazine on the planet: Testosterone…Muscle With Attitude.
[…]
Here’s what we’re going to do:

  • Put out the toughest muscle-building magazine ever, printing anything and everything that has to do with hardcore muscle building, regardless of who it offends."

This theme/mission statement has been repeated through the years. The common thread behind the overwhelming majority of articles has been physique improvement… bodybuilding. Not necessarily competitive bodybuilding, not competitive powerlifting, not Olympic lifting or MMA. Muscle building.

Of course there’s going to be some crossover with strength sports (competitive bodybuilding originally was, anyhow). It wasn’t all that long ago that T-Nation specifically created the Combat, Olympic Lifting, and Strongman forums. If there was no need for them, those areas would be stagnant, but they’re not, because members with strength sport-goals are here, without a doubt.

That still doesn’t minimize the fact that this is, has been, and will be a bodybuilding site. Or if it can be better stated to avoid confusion with competitive bodybuilding, it’s a site whose primary intention is to encourage the building of one’s body.

The Mighty Stu, Ebomb5522, thoughts1053, Synergy93, MODOK, Bushidobadboy, Maraudermeat, Prisoner, Gifted (hehe), John Meadows, Shelby Starnes, Nate Miyaki, Matt Kroczaleski, Dr. Lonnie Lowery, and Christian Thibaudeau.

Like Beans said, there’s certainly room for both in what’s being discussed in this thread. But I found it interesting that this whole thread was solely discussing performance challenges.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Are we going to have a beauty contest, or are some guys here going to move some weight and/or bust their asses?[/quote]

I feel like we could accomplish both, no?[/quote]

No. C’mon. A beauty contest is inexact by nature. The weights and the reps do not lie. [/quote]

Oh BB’ing type ones would be very subjective and spawn pages of back-and-forth, which is half the fun, lol.

Having a seperate thread (at the risk of “spamming” a section) would prevent one from fuckign up the other.[/quote]

Maybe liek some1 said earlier, a best abs/arms etc

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Why do you and a few others insist on calling this a “bodybuilding site”? [/quote]
Because from the first issue in 1998, it was clearly stated:
"Look, our main reason in establishing this website is that we’re in the process of putting together the most informative, irreverent physique magazine on the planet: Testosterone…Muscle With Attitude.
[…]
Here’s what we’re going to do:

  • Put out the toughest muscle-building magazine ever, printing anything and everything that has to do with hardcore muscle building, regardless of who it offends."

This theme/mission statement has been repeated through the years. The common thread behind the overwhelming majority of articles has been physique improvement… bodybuilding. Not necessarily competitive bodybuilding, not competitive powerlifting, not Olympic lifting or MMA. Muscle building.

Of course there’s going to be some crossover with strength sports (competitive bodybuilding originally was, anyhow). It wasn’t all that long ago that T-Nation specifically created the Combat, Olympic Lifting, and Strongman forums. If there was no need for them, those areas would be stagnant, but they’re not, because members with strength sport-goals are here, without a doubt.

That still doesn’t minimize the fact that this is, has been, and will be a bodybuilding site. Or if it can be better stated to avoid confusion with competitive bodybuilding, it’s a site whose primary intention is to encourage the building of one’s body.

The Mighty Stu, Ebomb5522, thoughts1053, Synergy93, MODOK, Bushidobadboy, Maraudermeat, Prisoner, Gifted (hehe), John Meadows, Shelby Starnes, Nate Miyaki, Matt Kroczaleski, Dr. Lonnie Lowery, and Christian Thibaudeau.

Like Beans said, there’s certainly room for both in what’s being discussed in this thread. But I found it interesting that this whole thread was solely discussing performance challenges.[/quote]

All great points Chris, but isn’t there a Rate my Physique section which basically already accomplishes this?

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[quote]inkaddict wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Gregon did this in the Conditioning Forum. It was just a challenge and people posted their results - I think videos were required. It was pretty cool, no prizes - just done for kicks.
[/quote]
There was also pushup and handstand pushup challenges going too. I felt like a badass because I beat Greg in something, and didn’t care if he had a bad shoulder, haha!

<3 you, Greg[/quote]

LOL I remember that thread!

Max clean n press reps with 135 in 2 minutes… HORRIBLE! ahaha

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Why do you and a few others insist on calling this a “bodybuilding site”? [/quote]
Because from the first issue in 1998, it was clearly stated:
"Look, our main reason in establishing this website is that we’re in the process of putting together the most informative, irreverent physique magazine on the planet: Testosterone…Muscle With Attitude.
[…]
Here’s what we’re going to do:

  • Put out the toughest muscle-building magazine ever, printing anything and everything that has to do with hardcore muscle building, regardless of who it offends."

This theme/mission statement has been repeated through the years. The common thread behind the overwhelming majority of articles has been physique improvement… bodybuilding. Not necessarily competitive bodybuilding, not competitive powerlifting, not Olympic lifting or MMA. Muscle building.

Of course there’s going to be some crossover with strength sports (competitive bodybuilding originally was, anyhow). It wasn’t all that long ago that T-Nation specifically created the Combat, Olympic Lifting, and Strongman forums. If there was no need for them, those areas would be stagnant, but they’re not, because members with strength sport-goals are here, without a doubt.

That still doesn’t minimize the fact that this is, has been, and will be a bodybuilding site. Or if it can be better stated to avoid confusion with competitive bodybuilding, it’s a site whose primary intention is to encourage the building of one’s body.

The Mighty Stu, Ebomb5522, thoughts1053, Synergy93, MODOK, Bushidobadboy, Maraudermeat, Prisoner, Gifted (hehe), John Meadows, Shelby Starnes, Nate Miyaki, Matt Kroczaleski, Dr. Lonnie Lowery, and Christian Thibaudeau.

Like Beans said, there’s certainly room for both in what’s being discussed in this thread. But I found it interesting that this whole thread was solely discussing performance challenges.[/quote]

I started it as a performance thread, partly coz im not a competitive body building and i look like shit.

Why the hell would i make a thread where i look at other posters in their underwear?

Its about:

Power

Strength

Determination

Perseverance

not about tans and trunks.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]inkaddict wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Gregon did this in the Conditioning Forum. It was just a challenge and people posted their results - I think videos were required. It was pretty cool, no prizes - just done for kicks.
[/quote]
There was also pushup and handstand pushup challenges going too. I felt like a badass because I beat Greg in something, and didn’t care if he had a bad shoulder, haha!

<3 you, Greg[/quote]

LOL I remember that thread!

Max clean n press reps with 135 in 2 minutes… HORRIBLE! ahaha[/quote]

i hope u came here to help nurture this baby greg!

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There was one challenge that would work pretty universally.

Start with Bench press. Load the bar with your bodyweight. Max reps, touch your chest to lockout.

Go immediately to Pull ups and do max reps @ bodyweight. Chin over the bar to deadhang.

Go immediately to Dips and do max reps @ bodyweight.

add all your reps together and come up with your number. A mix of strength and stamina. thats a pretty easy one that would be done in less than 3 minutes.

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OR

BW Bench Press x Max Reps

1.5xBW Squat x Max Reps

1.5xBW Deadlift x Max Reps

Add together

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[quote]gregron wrote:
OR

BW Bench Press x Max Reps

1.5xBW Squat x Max Reps

1.5xBW Deadlift x Max Reps

Add together[/quote]

I like the idea of a total rep challenge but some 1 who knew they cud do 20 pull ups and 50 dips may only do 1 bench rep.

i think it could be a little biased

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[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
OR

BW Bench Press x Max Reps

1.5xBW Squat x Max Reps

1.5xBW Deadlift x Max Reps

Add together[/quote]

I like the idea of a total rep challenge but some 1 who knew they cud do 20 pull ups and 50 dips may only do 1 bench rep.

i think it could be a little biased[/quote]

thats why its “Max Reps”

The video will show weather or not the person is really going max reps or not.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
There was one challenge that would work pretty universally.

Start with Bench press. Load the bar with your bodyweight. Max reps, touch your chest to lockout.

Go immediately to Pull ups and do max reps @ bodyweight. Chin over the bar to deadhang.

Go immediately to Dips and do max reps @ bodyweight.

add all your reps together and come up with your number. A mix of strength and stamina. thats a pretty easy one that would be done in less than 3 minutes.[/quote]

That’s flawed in my opinion. The guys that can bang out a bunch of reps with their bodyweight would be pretty fatigued at the end of that set and shoot their “strength” wad. With respect, the above is sounding too “crossfit”…which in and of itself does not mean it is not worthy or structured wrong…it’s just a bit flawed in my opinion for the guys that can actually bang out a bunch of bwt. bench reps (which most crossfitters can’t do). Especially guys x of 200lbs. I think your structure is definitely skewed to endurance or endurance strength.

Anyway, the problem with any such structure of a challenge is that it will skew one way or another unless you have multiple challenges and a purposeful intent to balance them.

I bet the staff here have some pretty good ideas about this. Guys like Dan John et als. I mean, this not the first time this has been considered somewhere :slight_smile:

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[quote]gregron wrote:
There was one challenge that would work pretty universally.

Start with Bench press. Load the bar with your bodyweight. Max reps, touch your chest to lockout.

Go immediately to Pull ups and do max reps @ bodyweight. Chin over the bar to deadhang.

Go immediately to Dips and do max reps @ bodyweight.

add all your reps together and come up with your number. A mix of strength and stamina. thats a pretty easy one that would be done in less than 3 minutes.[/quote]
Dude, gtfo with that shit. I’m out! That sounds HORRIBLE! haha

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
All great points Chris, but isn’t there a Rate my Physique section which basically already accomplishes this?[/quote]
To an extent, sure. But with that same train of thought, isn’t there already a Training Log (or Conditioning/Strongman/Powerlifting) section to see who’s currently stronger than who? I understood the idea to be having it all in one place for comparison.

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Maybe liek some1 said earlier, a best abs/arms etc[/quote]
Yeah, um, that “some1” was me, actually.

That could be your thing, which is fine by me, man. :wink: But I never said anything about people in underwear.

Fair enough. Though it absolutely takes determination and perseverance to build muscle and drop fat. Also, if you’re actually trying to get this recognized with prizes by the higher-ups, I’m not sure why they’d be interested in “sponsoring” contests of strength and/or conditioning when, as I mentioned, that’s never been the driving force behind T-Nation.

Again, I never said anything about this. There’s quite a distinction between competitive bodybuilding and “recreational bodybuilding” or whatever the majority of people on here do. But the line that separates those two is a gigantic can of worms that can fill an entire thread all by itself.