The T-Nation Challenge(s)

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Just throwing this out there, but shouldn’t a challenge thread on a bodybuilding site include at least some physique-based goals, rather than everything being based on performance in the gym?

Maybe something quarterly or bi-annually, rather than more frequently. Not necessarily a full posedown, but the older BB comps had awards for best arms, best chest, most muscular, etc.

On that note, here’s one challenge I’d like to see everyone participate in: Post a current F’ing picture. Period. There are way too many people floating around giving advice that are 100% anonymous.

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I would love to participate in this although I would lose. Oh well.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but shouldn’t a challenge thread on a bodybuilding site include at least some physique-based goals, rather than everything being based on performance in the gym?

Maybe something quarterly or bi-annually, rather than more frequently. Not necessarily a full posedown, but the older BB comps had awards for best arms, best chest, most muscular, etc.
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Maybe but could become difficult with judging and keeping tabs and stuff.

Whereas the challenges are pretty much set in stone and can easily be judge.

We could see how it pans out with a few challenges, how many ppl participate and how it runs then we can add more variables into it.

Maybe a mod can speak to the powers and PM if theres any possibility of prizes etc and if they are willing to participate.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but shouldn’t a challenge thread on a bodybuilding site include at least some physique-based goals, rather than everything being based on performance in the gym?

Maybe something quarterly or bi-annually, rather than more frequently. Not necessarily a full posedown, but the older BB comps had awards for best arms, best chest, most muscular, etc.

On that note, here’s one challenge I’d like to see everyone participate in: Post a current F’ing picture. Period. There are way too many people floating around giving advice that are 100% anonymous.[/quote]

Good post.

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:
I would love to participate in this although I would lose. Oh well. [/quote]

As would i, but its the taking part that counts hahaha.

I can’t wait to do some challenges, and beat some of the guys who are leaner than me. Bin getting too shit for being 20%bf, i wana show some people that it doesn’t mean shit haha! bring it on.

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I’ve got one!!!

HALO FTW!!!

Jk.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m very sorry but your thread here just reminded me that we haven’t seen JasexHCx around in a while.[/quote]

Huh? Marz didn’t say anything racist. [/quote]

Maybe it reminds him of a salad.[/quote]

Now THAT was funny

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

Sorry Beans[/quote]

haha, no not here in THIS particular thread dude. I am talking about douchebags just popping in to put down someone’s vid or picture, etc.

Too many e-warriors need to pump thier own tires with an e-persona to not have something like this in a cell, imo.

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

Mods: can we move this to the T-Cell with a possibility of getting it stickied?[/quote]

NNNOOOOOOOO!

Just start a new one, once there is established structure and a laundry list of challenges.

But don’t pop early on this, do it right.

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but shouldn’t a challenge thread on a bodybuilding site include at least some physique-based goals, rather than everything being based on performance in the gym?

Maybe something quarterly or bi-annually, rather than more frequently. Not necessarily a full posedown, but the older BB comps had awards for best arms, best chest, most muscular, etc.

On that note, here’s one challenge I’d like to see everyone participate in: Post a current F’ing picture. Period. There are way too many people floating around giving advice that are 100% anonymous.[/quote]

Good post.[/quote]

agreed.

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:
I would love to participate in this although I would lose. Oh well. [/quote]

While yeah it is cool to win at everything, sometimes you have to stop trying to better everyone else, and just worry about bettering yourself once in awhile.

You’ll be amazed at what can happen.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

Sorry Beans[/quote]

haha, no not here in THIS particular thread dude. I am talking about douchebags just popping in to put down someone’s vid or picture, etc.

Too many e-warriors need to pump thier own tires with an e-persona to not have something like this in a cell, imo.

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

Mods: can we move this to the T-Cell with a possibility of getting it stickied?[/quote]

NNNOOOOOOOO!

Just start a new one, once there is established structure and a laundry list of challenges.

But don’t pop early on this, do it right.

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but shouldn’t a challenge thread on a bodybuilding site include at least some physique-based goals, rather than everything being based on performance in the gym?

Maybe something quarterly or bi-annually, rather than more frequently. Not necessarily a full posedown, but the older BB comps had awards for best arms, best chest, most muscular, etc.

On that note, here’s one challenge I’d like to see everyone participate in: Post a current F’ing picture. Period. There are way too many people floating around giving advice that are 100% anonymous.[/quote]

Good post.[/quote]

agreed.[/quote]

Ok cool, we’ll keep it here for now, next up.

the first challenge.

For me, the clean and press at a set weight should be it.

The bigger guys will struggle with the reps and the conditioning side, the smaller guys may struggle with the weight but could have the conditioning edge.

Easily run, easily judged and will set the way for further challenges with BW% and stuff.

Something simple and easy to get us goin.

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Dude…

You are worried about one challenge. You need to be worried about:

  1. sumbission structure
  2. judging (who, what, when, where, how)
  3. many many challenges lined up (maybe take a vote) (What Chris said about BB’er type)
  4. Length

etc etc etc.

You have a good idea, which is like an infant, but rather than give it titty milk you are trying to shove a hamburger in its mouth. The infant will die without the right food, ya dig?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Dude…

You are worried about one challenge. You need to be worried about:

  1. sumbission structure
  2. judging (who, what, when, where, how)
  3. many many challenges lined up (maybe take a vote) (What Chris said about BB’er type)
  4. Length

etc etc etc.

You have a good idea, which is like an infant, but rather than give it titty milk you are trying to shove a hamburger in its mouth. The infant will die without the right food, ya dig?[/quote]

Fair enough, a good analogy.

So… what now?

We have kinda agreed on 30 days,

Obviously haviing a mod or a someone like Thibs or shu as having a poster judging could cause problems, not logging in or posting etc. A mod will always be around.

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Gregon did this in the Conditioning Forum. It was just a challenge and people posted their results - I think videos were required. It was pretty cool, no prizes - just done for kicks.

I would suggest % body weight for the weight challenges. There is a pretty large swing of weights of the regular posters on this board and it seem silly to say 200 lbs is a good division. Look at Olympic weight divisions. There are good reasons why there are so many.

If % bw then would need video at scale and performance. That should clear up judging assuming all are agreed that less than stellar form is okay but with a clear start and stop are established. (Ex. total DL with % bw - hands have to come off the bar between reps, with a lockout at top)

Now, judging best body parts - well, there does need to be a judging panel. If Biotest is giving prizes I would suggest that coaches/contributors should judge. Does not need to be the same people every time.

Time for submission will depend on the challenge. If you cannot perform some performance challenge within two weeks for whatever reason then move on to the next one if you want to compete. Again, body part or posing stuff could command a bigger window. By having a shorter window then you could repeat the challenge six months later and very well could get different winners as people’s training styles/focus shift.

I would suggest starting a Challenge Log - I would think it would help prevent trolling but not requiring ‘permission’ from particular members to join. Could set up one log for each challenge, maybe closing them a week after the winner is announced. That way more than one challenge could be going on without the log going fubar.

Just some ideas.

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Good post

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
If Biotest is giving prizes I would suggest that coaches/contributors should judge. .[/quote]

I would imagine that we would have to get this going, and keep it going, and keep the fuckheads out ourselves, to prove it can be done, before they get offically involved.

That is how I feel it would work anyway, could be wrong.

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Gregon did this in the Conditioning Forum. It was just a challenge and people posted their results - I think videos were required. It was pretty cool, no prizes - just done for kicks.
[/quote]
There was also pushup and handstand pushup challenges going too. I felt like a badass because I beat Greg in something, and didn’t care if he had a bad shoulder, haha!

<3 you, Greg

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but shouldn’t a challenge thread on a bodybuilding site include at least some physique-based goals, rather than everything being based on performance in the gym?

Maybe something quarterly or bi-annually, rather than more frequently. Not necessarily a full posedown, but the older BB comps had awards for best arms, best chest, most muscular, etc.

On that note, here’s one challenge I’d like to see everyone participate in: Post a current F’ing picture. Period. There are way too many people floating around giving advice that are 100% anonymous.[/quote]

Why do you and a few others insist on calling this a “bodybuilding site”?

Notwithstanding that I’ve never known this place as a “bodybuilding site” (if it were, I’d have never signed up), name 5 competitive bodybuilders that are regular posters.

Bodybuilding is a beauty contest. Are we going to have a beauty contest, or are some guys here going to move some weight and/or bust their asses?

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[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Dude…

You are worried about one challenge. You need to be worried about:

  1. sumbission structure
  2. judging (who, what, when, where, how)
  3. many many challenges lined up (maybe take a vote) (What Chris said about BB’er type)
  4. Length

etc etc etc.

You have a good idea, which is like an infant, but rather than give it titty milk you are trying to shove a hamburger in its mouth. The infant will die without the right food, ya dig?[/quote]

Fair enough, a good analogy.

So… what now?

We have kinda agreed on 30 days,

Obviously haviing a mod or a someone like Thibs or shu as having a poster judging could cause problems, not logging in or posting etc. A mod will always be around.
[/quote]

You’re going to need exact parameters for the skills in question. As far as your clean/press are you allowing any kind of a dip back under, more like a jerk, to get under the weight? Or is one hip drive all you get? Are you looking for any kind of clean (squat clean, power clean, hang clean). Does the bar come back to the floor for each rep? Hell for the really strong guys, do they have to separate the clean/press or can they power press/jerk it all the way overhead??

And that’s just for the skill portion. Judging will need to be a very specific process otherwise 27 people are going to find problems with each and every video sent in. Find a few credible judges that’ll agree to watching all the submissions, and their word stands, period. If certain posters don’t like it don’t have to compete. But this needs to be a very specific process. As many threads would prove, there’s not going to be a whole lot of “meh, good enough” going around.

Do the video submissions need a visible clock? Or is the Youtube timer okay?

Probably a lot more, this is just off the top of my head.

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Where do I sign up for the food/eating challenge?

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^ I think I would approach it like in Strongman, you have to move the weight from point A to point B. So Clean & Press. Starts still from floor, ends over head with straight arms = 1. Otherwise there might be someone like me who can get the bar to bounce to waist height, catch and go with weights like 135 lbs.

Visible clock with the YouTube clock as back-up.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Good post

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
If Biotest is giving prizes I would suggest that coaches/contributors should judge. .[/quote]

I would imagine that we would have to get this going, and keep it going, and keep the fuckheads out ourselves, to prove it can be done, before they get offically involved.

That is how I feel it would work anyway, could be wrong.[/quote]

Both good posts, maybe they’ll will jump in when they see we can organise ourselves and not let everything turn into a shit storm.

Some very very good ideas