TRT currently is like industrial engineering 500 years ago. Imagine building a skyscraper back then before they had a complete understanding of many of the things they currently understand. Think how many buildings were built by professionals that collapsed before proper building code was established. That building code was established based on previous failures that were learned from as well as breakthroughs in understanding about building. In TRT there’s still so much we don’t have a definite understanding of. If the professionals had all the answers none of us would need a forum and we’d all be jacked and feeling 23 with rock hard cocks. Until then the most reliable info is that from others in similar situations and what the professionals do understand currently.
Dude you got called out for a year straight for being the most emotional pissy person on the forum. You only comment on shit like this. Go back and look at your post history before you deny it.
What are your numbers like on that protocol
@equel I have zero issue with you. You are forgetting that we KNOW you are an outlier. We KNOW, as do you, that you are an exception to the rule. What works for you, therefore, does NOT work on the masses. We’ve already figured that out. You needed to find a protocol that works for you (not sure if that has happened yet or not). The principles I discuss is what has been demonstrated to work with most men.
So, here is my problem with that. Pretty much everything in the body is “Self-regulating”, including testosterone. And yet, we are all monkeying with it because it isn’t regulating correctly. It’s a bit of a leap of faith to just expect other hormones and enzymes in the same chain to work correctly one one isn’t. Remember, I actually am on board with the idea that there is no accurate blood measure for E2 and AI’s should be avoided as much as possible. But, just saying…
This is a good point - that everything is regulating correctly but the testosterone output is just low, then raising t would probably work and keep everything in the proper ratios. But if the issue is the self regulation of hormones themselves, exogenous t will just replace the natural t and the problem may go uncorrected.
Wouldn’t it be more of an output issue rather than self regulating issue with testosterone? You can’t regulate something properly that you aren’t producing enough of. Once enough testosterone is available the body regulates the amount of estrogen to produce. Sort of like when folks do gigantic steroid cycles having 10k/ng total T levels but their estrogen doesn’t follow suit.
I like your thinking and information you provide.
“With most men” this is very biased. Most men on this forum seen to like higher t levels. So it sounds like we should all be at 200 mg a week.
System Lord also describes what he sees with most of the men he reads about.
I bet you you can find a forum where most men are doing very well on 100mg a week.
I love the information though from everyone.
@trtwuzup
There aren’t many on 200mg/week here. There aren’t many on 100mg/week here either.
Sure, hopefully. I don’t get that promise in writing though. For most guys, no problem. No blanket rule though. As for cycles, there is going to saturation at soe point and then aromatase is going to fall behind - or the guy is going to take an AI (as most do).
Guys I’ve had my fill.
Guys like @systemlord will continue to spew bullshit advice with zero evidence and continue the spread of bro-science that goes completely against everything I’m trying to accomplish. There is nothing stopping him. All questions are deflected, all demands for evidence are left empty handed, and it’s just a complete and utter waste of my time.
My channel: TRT and Hormone Optimization. Facebook group with the same name. That’s where I will be from now on. Any forum that promotes bullshit broscience like this is not the place for me.
Have fun.
I basically agree with everything you say. We should work with professionals, and they might not have all the answers yet. But they are the ones to follow.
Not knocking you but that’s civil engineering. Industrial is about efficiency.
Industrial engineering major here too
The problem is we don’t have a full understanding of the human body and every aspect of what testosterone effects so even the best doctors have differing opinions about how to do things and rely on what’s worked for many of their patients. It would be a lot easier if we knew those things but we don’t which is why many folks come to the forum.
@dbossa get your ass back here
100% understand. And it lines up with IE well. We are taking about heuristics. Above or below what point in a distribution do we deem this acceptable. The problem is humans think in too few dimensions. Hence why underlying conditions destroy medical statistics.
Exactly
Don’t bail on account of him. Just ignore his posts. No need to stop with your good work just because of one guy. You’re much appreciated here by a lot of people.
I hope you stick around.
Has it been 28 days since the last time you left already?