In contrast, I used to have an extremely short fuse when I was deficient in testosterone. The higher levels actually help me stay significantly more calm in stressful situations and have significantly less anxiety. So you can only imagine what I was like before trt! LOL! Again, this thread is not trt induced rage by any stretch of the imagination.
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I think the intentions on that “credit” initiative were good, but it was a bad approach. The reason for having “credit” in this forum - and please correct me if my brain made a bad english-spanish translation - was to know to what degree you can trust certain advices. Well, outside this “second live” universe, those credits come with a MD diploma/certificate. Thats how its been done for years as a best solution. Here we are playing a dangerous game talking about something quite complex (please dont say again trt is easy because Im still searching for my libido J) and most of us are not doctors. For me, the way to go is what @dbossa , @unreal24278 or @johann77 (et al. J) does with interviews and documentation. Thats the way to go. And that is the reason why threads like this about @systemlord exists, because people is giving opinions on scientific matters. We always give our best advice, sometimes they are good but unfortunately not always. So I will never support the credits thread for the same reason @dbossa is fed up of these things. Dont give opinions, just give the officially validated information; and if you dont, then you SHOULD be a MD wishing to tell your real already-earned credentials publicly. So I do agree with the goal of THIS thread (though Id also like to see more smileys here). @dextermorgan , in any case, you know I love you (not sexually, still working on that).
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Agreed. Off topic. Will hit you up off thread for a further discussion.
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Damn! I was planning to use masteron to kick up the libido. I did noticed more irritability with TRT so this is bad news for me. I will need to be aware of my behaviour… Any drug I can take with masteron to reduce aggresion?. Kidding.
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Pharmacologic ranges… most bodybuilders using test only will measure out at 4000ng/dl+… people use waaayyy to much nowadays, however given that one must remember the parroted starting dose is 500 milligrams per week… unfortunately sometimes it’s even more nowadays.
Some are now (wrongfully) advocating a “first cycle” should be upwards of 1,000mg weekly… I mean fuck, most golden era guys didn’t even use that much (perhaps coming up to competition, and there were exceptions like Pete Gyrmkowski… upwards of 70,000mg weekly supposedly… and Mike menztzer… 2g deca weekly + amphetamines etc.)
Looking at the young men of today, they need an appropriate increase in aggression because I see a lot of them can’t handle a challenge and almost seem lost between boy and man like they just didn’t make the complete transformation. They are overly docile. I have dozens of nephews that fit this description to a T.
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If I had low testosterone, I’d be pissed off too. Many report feeling happier and calmer once starting TRT.
I was moreaggressive before TRT
I think TRT will only amplify who you are, if you’re an asshole off TRT, you would have room to grow on TRT. Lol.
I’m more confident, am more happy and calmer on TRT.
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In my case he only suggested to lower my Test E dose since my SHBG was on the lower side of the normal range around 22-25 and i was having trouble managing prolactin, by reducing my weekly dose just 20 mg i finally got prolactin and E2 under control.
Hello yes i did, reduced my dose by 20 mg per week and i feel a lot but a lot better, prolactin and E2 under control, BTW it was not a tumor values of prolactin MRI normal, swollen ankles and edema after hours of being at work have also gone away, my dose is fairly low only 120 mg per week splitted into 2 shots i tryed the Subq stuff but did not like it
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Then why are you on a forum. There’s so many doctors out there. Most are here because the doctors don’t have any clue. They come to the forum to get real-world advice from people that have actually been there and went through the long journey and came out the other side. The credentials thread is to know who the fuck that person is and whether you should take their advice. Especially for new guys. I know several world class endos in NYC that don’t have the slightest clue about testosterone but if you had diabetes they could have you living a normal life better than anyone.
There isn’t always documentation about this stuff. It’s not a big money maker and people can survive on low testosterone so there isn’t a huge scientific community studying how to effectively find your optimal dose, define optimal dose, make changes, do things the most effective way, what to expect, etc…
Who are you by the way? What’s your protocol? How long have you been on TRT? Are you in decent shape? Seems like legit questions to ask someone before taking their advice so as to not get advice from some fat guy that hasn’t really done anything with TRT.
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I found my libido by dropping porn, and only viewing 2D pics of hot women of all kinds on IG. I edge every day and treat myself to orgasm every two days. Been doing it and started to notice that my mind is now looking for clothed women to undress. Also noticed that adding 100iu of HCG every other day is helping. Oh and its good to know who is doling out advice. If youre fat, you will get very little across, if youre fit, I will listen
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I am a giant battle robot, as stated in the credentials thread 
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I only watch midget porn, that way I’m still attracted to fill size women. GTFO with porn kills libido. May kill your sense of deprivation needed to orgasm, but being horny no.
I can’t tell if you’re serious. I mean… each to their own I guess… are you ONLY attracted to those afflicted with dwarfism? I can’t imagine it’d… work… I’ll be crass here and merely state, would it fit?
I’ve never watched “midget porn” my porn is primarily constructed of
- amateur couples making home videos (I prefer the sense of intimacy present within these videos rather than the mechanical, aggressive, emotionless sex present in much of mainstream pornography… certain things like facials seriously turn me off…)
- Playboy magazine/centrefold magazines/swimsuit edition magazines (don’t have anymore, but these magazines tend to have some of the hottest women)
I suppose one could say I’m a bit old fashioned
I’m not so sure of this… I’ve watched/looked at pornographic magazines/books (erotic novels etc) for a while… like a long time (barring when I was hypogonadal)… I’ll still get an erection from a picture of a fully clothed individual, by walking past a lingerie store etc.
I’ve been in a lot of threads in a lot of forums over my 46 years… Never quite saw one that got derailed to this extent…
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Nah there’s been far worse deviations. There was one thread of which was about appropriate sexual conduct between a man/woman (a guy came on stating something he’d done… was incredibly immoral), the thread then devolved into a discussion about pedophilia, this went on for HUNDREDS of posts… then it further devolved, though I can’t recall what the next topic was.
Then there’s the threads in the pharma forum that derail into conversations about bathroom tiling/types of sinks in bathrooms etc (it’s kind of an inside joke/meme at this point)
Problem is @systemlord’s ideology has worked for him, and it makes sense to him, along with TRT doctors and past literature he’s read. Based on this, it’d make sense to follow that. But @dbossa proposes enough well-reasoned arguments and evidence that it sparks doubt to @systemlord’s ideology so this discussion is well warranted. Maybe given enough doubt one party will question parts of their view. Below I’ll give my interpretation to the questions.
- This is the 20-30 E2 range vs. “high E2 doesn’t occur when you are supplementing with testosterone”. Based on the users here doing well with high e2, it seems the evidence points to estrogen not being a problem while on TRT. This plays to question 3 – if someone thinks 20-30 E2 range is ideal, then it would make sense for them to “reduce their dose” until they’re at that range. Some people do feel better but that’s there’s reduced hormone fluctuations. This then creates a new debate – do you reduce the dose or increase the quantity of injections? Both will reduce hormone fluctuations but the individual might still need more testosterone to feel best. Yet another question – “why do we need superhuman free testosterone to feel good on TRT?”
- Already bunked.
- Good question. It seems almost everyone will do best on the high end of the TT and FT range than lower, although everyone has a unique standard deviation they need for symptom-relief. Question is why wouldn’t you start on the high end first and rule that out before going to outlier territory?
- Partially debunked, but noteworthy. Shouldn’t take financial advice from a poor person; shouldn’t take fitness advice from someone out of shape.
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Having done both I think 150mg should be the starting dose. I’ve dropped from 220mg down to 100mg and worked up using 20mg increments every 2-3 months because that was what I read to do and I can tell you from experience that until I got to 160mg it fucking sucked ass and I went a long time feeling less than ideal.