The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

Good man. You will be fine because you are not lazy.

If you want to stay in education, I would recommend further degrees. Often times the school system will even pay for it. Assistant principles / principles / home office personnel make quite a bit more.

My wife never wanted any of those positions though due to not having summers off and she enjoys teaching. Plus, it is better for having children.

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Thats not following your dreams. Thats making it happen. :+1:

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Can you expand on this? I’m not debating or anything, it’s just that I’ve never considered what you wrote about before. I get that you are talking about Art History majors, right? Not world history and the like? Because I did 3 years of art history as an elective in which the exams were the same as the one tertiary students had to take. While I said, ā€œfuck itā€ took A Math instead (lol), 2 of my friends passed and later became architects.

FUCK. Good job lol. Apologies for mistaking you for a student the last time, man.

If the major gives you a skill that is valuable to society (like architecture and math - math will ALWAYS be valuable), it is definitely worth the money. I look at higher education like any other investment. What is the ROI? Is there even an ROI?

It is criminal in my mind to charge what they do for some of these majors where students are accruing 100’s of thousands of debt with no real chance or way to EVER pay it back.

No worries. No way for you to know. I finished law school almost 10 years ago now. It was pricey, but well worth the money. The doors it has opened and the knowledge / way of looking at things it imparted on me has been invaluable.

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I think the ROI is personal. As in, it cannot be measured in dollars and cents and it’s up to the individual to determine if the ā€œreturnā€ on investment is worthwhile. The fees aside, you don’t think that the teaching professions these fellows will mostly go into does provide value? I didn’t really care for the art history stuff, but it benefitted me greatly when I had to incorporate a lot of video media as services in my business.

Personal value is great, but you can’t pay loans back with personal value. That is a big issue in a business and college is a business.

I do believe in a well-rounded curriculum to an extent, but it becomes harder to justify the first 2 years of undergrad with the costs associated for me.

There are very few teaching positions available in comparison to the amount getting these degrees. And those teachers usually teach until they die because the jobs are cushy and easy, There is a reason (in higher education) those that can hack it in the real world work in the real world and those that can’t - teach if they can find a spot. I am not saying this is true in every circumstance, but most of the professors I have come across that were purely academics were so detached from real life it was laughable.

The worst teachers I had in law school were the pure academics hands down and we did not get along with their academic clueless bullshit. Mind you while I was in law school, I was already running a successful business making more than every teacher there. MBA was the same way. The adjunct teachers who were also practicing / working or the older teachers who had practiced for years were the good ones.

Most of the graduates with these degrees are going to end up flipping burgers, serving coffee, or working at Walmart with a very expensive piece of paper on the wall.

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College, and thus majors, did not exist for most of human history. With that said, history and historians were an important part of ancient Greece and Rome, and they are the foundation for Western Culture. As were artists, philosophers and writers, including poets like Homer. Engineers did not come up with democracy, politics, logic and the concept of what being a human means.

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According to historians.

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When I was a kid, everyone said there were too many bankers and lawyers.

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They are correct.

The legal field is glutted, but that will change in 10 years or so. Over 50% of the bar’d practicing attorneys are baby boomers.

And how many of those are there relative to the population? I have feeling we have far more than we need currently with no other skills.

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That is definitely my nightmare.

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There are still way too many people graduating law school. It’s just that the baby boomers are holding onto the premium jobs. I know lots of younger people with law degrees that don’t practice law. There are probably a variety of reasons for that, but I don’t think it’s likely that we will ever run out of lawyers. There may be a changing of the guard event where the legal profession starts being filled with much younger lawyers, but I don’t think that will be as drastic as expected.

A lot of people do other things besides traditional practice - I did. It is a great degree to have in general for a variety of jobs.

I don’t practice law traditionally.

Now, a professor I had - Professor McClurg writes books on the legal field demographics. Law schools clamped down numbers they are graduating by a large margin. Most are admitting / graduating 1/3rd what they used to. On his estimation in the next 10-15 years, you will go from a glut of attorneys to having a hard time finding one.

So maybe I need to rethink law school…I’d be in demand by age 35 or so.

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IMO a law degree is one that will pay off over time, if you use it and leverage it. I am paid monthly in my GC job well over double what a year of law school costs.

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You take a loan, you pay the loan

I paid mine off, i pay my mortgage, i paid my car loans off, i pay off my credit cards…everyone else needs to suck it up buttercup and pay their loans

And that’s the bottom line cause stone cold says so

I think there is something to be said about the age at which these people get these loans, with little to no effort from the lender to determine their ability to pay it back. Almost no other loan is as easy to get.

I’d assume (because they prohibit it) the government doesn’t think people under 21 are developed or responsible enough to buy tobacco or alcohol products. It seems to me that the government doesn’t think one is a full adult until they are 21, or they would have rights the same as other adults. If the government doesn’t think 18, 19 and 20 year olds are adults, I don’t think they should be subjected to the same rules as adults. Should a minor be required to pay back a loan?

I know the government calls people 18 and over adults, but the rules in place do not suggest that is true. The government is currently inconsistent, and should remedy this issue.

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I don’t disagree, but it makes zero sense that it is the only debt that can’t be discharged via bankruptcy.

Or that people don’t get as mad when we send billions overseas to foreign countries. I would rather spend the money on education.

We spent 2 trillion in Afghanistan over 20 years (which is the entire student college debt tab) to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

I am all for people paying their debts, but if our government is going to spend money like fucksticks they can at least spend it on the citizens of the US.

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