With pleasure - except I am quite a distance from LA 
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I agree with Tim, this is some kind of strange stunt by Gov DeSantis.
Itās common knowledge that African American Studies is a discipline within history that goes back more than 50 years. Most colleges have at least a Class devoted to it. Some places even have whole PHD level Schools/Programs of African American studies. Similar to the way other colleges might have classes/programs devoted to Appalachian Studies, or Creole-Cajun Studies, or Carribean Studies or Native American Studies.
Weāre not talking about some stuff thrown together recently. This is already an established field. Gov DeSantis knows this. Heās just trying to make some splashy statement about Federalism thatās extra provocative because Race is involved.
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Absolutely none of these should be eligible for student loans imo. This is shit you can learn on your own or on your own dime.
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Someone has to do the research and write the books that you would read to learn about these issues. Like dudes digging up the Pyramids, or looking for Viking bones in Canada. These programs are just adding to the knowledge base.
Also, why are you trying to go all Authoritarian and ban information?
What the fuck are you even talking about? I didnāt say anything about banning information.
That is great, but the world needs very few of these majors comparably. Most people that seek these majors and take out 100ās of thousands in loans will never be able to pay them back.
So, education cost needs to come down or stop guaranteeing loans for worthless majors.
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OK, I guess I got a little excited. Maybe not banning the information. Just defunding institutions that collect and spread it. Anyway, it wasnāt a serious comment.
I still believe that this is a political stunt by Gov. DeSantis, and has nothing to do with keeping education costs down or reforming student loans.
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I took a class in African American History, itās required at my school. Still got the alllll the PowerPoints and research saved on my IPad incase someone ever says something stupid.
I donāt think he presented it as anything other than rejecting the curriculum for being historically inaccurate and contrary to Florida law. Financial costs were not mentioned, nor was the notion that there should be no class covering the subject.
Would you want experts in KKK ideology who believed in KKK ideology setting any history curricula funded by tax dollars? What about young earth creationists? Flat Earthers?
If not, why do you view curricula shaped by Critical Race Theorists differently?
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No worries - hard to tell in text only.
I donāt know much about what Desantis is doing honestly.
Dude, come on.
High School AP classes are taught by the same teachers who teach the other high school classes. Not by some hate group out-reach into schools program.
I agree with it being a political stunt.
I think he is blocking because it is a touchy / inflammatory subject that will get him political points. If it was just some course that didnāt meet criteria to be a class, but wasnāt inflammatory, some other official lower than governor would address it, which could have been done here too.
Par for the course though IMO. He wins points with his supporters at little to no cost. Most people are going to take the easy wins.
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Newsom got a bill passed known as the ācalifornia reproductive rights billā wherein the ārightsā to abortion are upheldā¦ California already had full reproductive rightsā¦
The easy point will always be taken.
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I think both cases are fairly objective that things were done by governors to win easy political points.
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Dude, I am coming on. I read the syllabus that was leaked. Most of it is perfectly fine, but parts of it belong right in the trash heap with every other subject I mentioned. Get rid of the woke CRT storytelling and overt anti-white racism and there wonāt be any objections from the state.
Hereās the newspaper that it was leaked to, along with a brief rundown of relevant Florida law.
Hereās the syllabus itself:
I donāt have a problem with private schools teaching all of the Ta-Nehisi Coates they want to impressionable young children if their parents choose it and foot the bill. Parents are also free to explain the world to their children through an intersectional lens of oppression politics, even though it isnāt true and doesnāt help bring any better outcomes into the world. Teach your boys that they can grow up to be women, if thatās what youāre into. Leave the state out of it.
As long as the state isnāt being asked to endorse these fields of non-study, Iām okay with people devoting all of the time and money they wish to becoming experts on false narratives and bad ideas.
This is in no small part what modern conservatism needs to be about. We need to roll back the advances made by leftist activists and self-serving scholars of nonsense fields of study, like CRT and broader forms of Marxism. Run it out of public life on a rail, just like Republicans eventually did to the Democratsā 20th century instrument of power, the KKK.
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Are you against the voucher system that seems to be gaining traction (on the right)? Iād assume so based on the āfoot the billā, but not sure (genuinely).
It does bring into question, what type of things should be allowed to be taught if the voucher thing ever comes to fruition.
I am. 100%. I realize you didnāt ask me.
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Generally speaking, I am in favor of voucher systems, especially in places like Baltimore and other concentrations of poverty and leftist policies that perpetuate those cycles. Generations of Democrats enacting their policy priorities in government and education have somehow resulted in a nearly ineffective public school system in many jurisdictions.
Itās not just inner city either. My kid was moved through the public education system when he should have failed quite a few classes. His feelings were apparently more important than his education, and it puts the parent at a massive disadvantage when the child knows, KNOWS, that he doesnāt need to listen to mom or dad to āpassā the class. Good luck parenting your way into subject matter competence when the teachers who decide if your kid passes or fails donāt value it.
How private schools accepting public vouchers should shape their curriculum is a relevant topic and Iām not sure I have the answers for that off the top of my head.
All I can tell you is that public schools are failing our children on massive scales. We may not know how best to fix it, but at this stage of the game it is quite evident that enacting leftist education priorities are the wrong way to do it.
Rolling back the absurdities, especially ideological nonsense, needs to be a priority.
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Agree here. It is a lot to sort through.
Another can of worms is can a private school accepting vouchers have any say in admittance? Do they have to take the disabled kids that run up the cost per student at public schools? Can they have any say about religious beliefs?
I kinda have a feeling that a lot of private schools probably donāt want a voucher system.
The simple answer IMO is to return to the core principles that made public education effective for so many Americans for so many decades. Weāve been busy āre-imaginingā things for a few generations now, and here we are today teaching boys that they can be women if they feel like it, that skin color should be at the center of how we look at other people, and that Americaās people and institutions are racist to the core.
We should instead teach the truth and teach in a way that will grow independent-minded thinkers and creators, not indoctrinate kids into nonsense with the goal of creating more Democrat voters.
Progressive is no longer the correct word for our woke left. They are transgressive at best, regressive at worst. Conservatives were asleep at the wheel, politically-speaking, while all of these rotten ideas were planted, took root and have now sprouted into a fully developed invasive species that youāll never manage to get rid of completely.
It starts with Ron DeSantis and people like him doing the things that are guaranteed to draw the ire of the woke left establishment. So the pendulum swings.
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