The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

[Bauber]

@jshaving

I mean there were still kids being ripped away from their families with no warning or explanation into the 50s. My grandma remembers seeing busses come pick kids up. Their parents had no say and sometimes no one ever saw or heard from the kids again.

Not saying this did not happen, but I have never heard anything like this.

[jshaving]

@twojarslave

there are more enslaved people today than at any point in history.

I didn’t know that. That’s crazy. I saw a clip a little while back of some cobalt miners in the Congo. My uncle’s teaching there right now, and was talking about the mines. It makes me feel bad to think about but I probably won’t ever give up using lithium batteries.

But I keep that in mind and keep my mouth shut when I hear people talk about Nazis or white Southerners going along with the Holocaust and slavery. It’s a hell of a lot easier to talk about standing up for what’s right than it is to actually do it, especially if the bad stuff isn’t harming you directly.

[Bauber]

@jshaving

It’s a hell of a lot easier to talk about standing up for what’s right than it is to actually do it

In most cases - people have no power to change anything anyways. All standing up will do is cause you grief and make your life harder. People don’t care what happens halfway around the globe and I don’t blame them.

[jshaving]

I’m referring more to the US government post…1900 (it could even be as late as post-WW2) than I am anytime before that or when it was Europeans doing stuff. When you become the symbol of freedom for the entire world and go to war supposedly on behalf of other nations, that’s when I take issue with mistreatment of people within your own borders.

@Bauber

Judging the past by the morals and thoughts of today is academically dishonest and what is called presentiment.

I try to not do that. Hence the post I just made about the cobalt miners.

@Bauber

What about the hundreds / thousands of tribes that went through the same or worse at the hands of other tribes?

I don’t think it was right but I don’t mind that much. I really don’t care what the Spanish did to the Aztecs or what the Aztecs did to all the other surrounding tribes prior to that. My issue, again, is with the more recent stuff. 2022 is different than 1940, but way less different than 2022 and 1600. I won’t judge the people from hundreds of years ago for what they did but I will think less of the government from only several decades ago for what they did.

@Bauber

Not saying this did not happen, but I have never heard anything like this.

I’ve heard, and I’m not exaggerating here, countless people tell stories like this. My tribe has, historically, fought with the US quite a bit, is large in both land size and number of tribal members, and made up a large portion of the Indian civil rights movement, so I wouldn’t be surprised for it to be more “common” here than elsewhere, but yeah, it’s definitely happened. Have spoken with many aged 70+ who remember it.

[fitafter40]

Its happened since the beginning of time and it will happen until the end of time

[doogie]

@tlgains

but if some of my money went to people who could use it

Tomorrow I would like you to cash out your bank accounts, go out on the street, hand that money to the first Black person you see, and tell them you are sorry.

@tlgains

If this is successful

AHAHAHAHAHA

[tlgains]

@doogie

Tomorrow I would like you to cash out your bank accounts, go out on the street, hand that money to the first Black person you see, and tell them you are sorry.

Okay, I’ll hand it to myself

[zecarlo]

@tlgains

may benefit the common man.

So black people are simply the common man. If only we all could be so enlightened.

[zecarlo]

@tlgains

Okay, I’ll hand it to myself

You take EBT?

[punnyguy]

Ironic, that this thread blew up and did not stray off topic.

[tlgains]

Dude what is wrong with you

[twojarslave]

@jshaving

I didn’t know that. That’s crazy. I saw a clip a little while back of some cobalt miners in the Congo. My uncle’s teaching there right now, and was talking about the mines. It makes me feel bad to think about but I probably won’t ever give up using lithium batteries.

Allow me to ruin your day some more.

People like to parse numbers and split hairs about the difference between chattel slavery, aka de jure slavery, and modern forms of de facto slavery. I don’t think it matters to the staggering number of African and Asian humans who are forced to work for their masters if their terrible situation is formally codified into law, as it was by Democrats in the American South.

Electric vehicles and smartphones are not the only consumer goods that use slave labor at the bottom of the supply chain. I first became aware of this about 20 years ago when I worked for a subsidiary of Nestle and found myself asking, “Where does chocolate come from?” Well, most of the raw material comes from West Africa, and the workers there don’t get matching 401k’s, paid sick leave, vacation time, or a salary that meets all of your needs and leaves you with leftover money to blow on luxury items.

They get beatings when they drop the cocoa beans.

I brought up cobalt because I recently listened to a Joe Rogan podcast. The guest was an Indian guy who was able to infiltrate a cobalt mine, document it with his camera and inform listeners like me about the horrific conditions he saw.

@jshaving

But I keep that in mind and keep my mouth shut when I hear people talk about Nazis or white Southerners going along with the Holocaust and slavery. It’s a hell of a lot easier to talk about standing up for what’s right than it is to actually do it, especially if the bad stuff isn’t harming you directly.

Of course this is true, and realizing your own powerlessness is a tough pill to swallow when you contemplate the evils of the modern world.

This type of contemplation does, however, put the vapid notions of modern first-world malcontents and moochers into better perspective.

[tlgains]

DeSantis administration rejects AP African American studies for Florida schools

Typical racist politician.

[punnyguy]

@Andrewgen_Receptors Look, even here…

I bet in your neck of the woods, you are surrounded by people like our young impressionable friend.

Move to Florida, you can be king of the world again…

[punnyguy]

@tlgains

Serious question -have you actually experienced overt racism? What state do you live in?

[twojarslave]

I find using taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate students into CRT-based falsehoods to be far more racist than using the power of government to stop it from happening, but that’s just me.

I’m with DeSantis 100 percent on this. There’s nothing wrong with studying narrow slices of history, like AA history. You can study that without the framework of CRT, which is the only way to study it if you’re interested in the truth. Using CRT ideology to understand African American history is no different than using KKK ideology as a lens to examine white American history.

There is everything wrong with CRT, the 1619 Project and all of the related racist narrative-weaving the Democrats have ALWAYS done. That’s who they are now, that’s who they’ve always been. The main tool in their political toolbox is sowing racial resentment in whatever way that gets Democrats elected.

[tlgains]

I disagree, the course sounds like history to me.

Pilot – African American Studies

Look at all these other cultural based AP courses that currently exist, but to reject African American studies and call it CRT is just plain racism.

[twojarslave]

Again, there’s nothing wrong with using tax money to teach any of these topics. They are all worthwhile to learn more about. What’s wrong in this particular case is using taxpayer dollars to teach impressionable children things that aren’t true, but made-up lies to advance racist narratives.

Would you want tax dollars spent to bring in “experts” from the Klu Klux Klan to explain their worldview to students of history?

If not, why do you view Critical Race Theory instruction differently?

[tlgains]

I actually have dude, I experienced it in high school. But, personally I believe covert racism is the worst, it really displays the lack of self awareness.

For example, when @zecarlo made that stupid comment referring to “Do you take EBT” when there’s a stereotype that exists of black people benefitting from welfare the most. Tbh, that was probably overt lol.

[tlgains]

@twojarslave

What’s wrong in this particular case is using taxpayer dollars to teach impressionable children things that aren’t true, but made-up lies to advance racist narratives.

My guy, the description of the course is on the website. You’re not arguing in good faith. Where are you getting these biases from?