Correct. I think it is inevitable no matter how you slice it though.
Money talks. Bullshit walks.
Correct me if Iām wrong, but this isnāt a wage-issue at all, itās essentially like winning the lottery. Itās a one time payment, right? Itās not going to make someone start getting paid more at their place of employment.
Simply because I thought their answer was bullshit and the fact that they mentioned who was a bigger victim makes it all sound like a competition for who has suffered the most.
What do you mean by reparations?
I feel like you answered yourself here, man. If someone gives $5 million to every black resident of SF, more black people will want their $5 million. Eventually, other people who feel they have bone to pick will want it too. Even if some Japanese Americans say no but others say yes, if some get it then their cousin who said no will probably say āWhat the hell, if theyāre just going to give it out anyway I might as well get mine.ā I probably would. So youāve got every racial/ethnic minority, youāve got women, youāve got LGBT people, youāve got certain religious groups, maybe even some white men if they have less affluent ancestry, such as Irish, Italian, Greek, etc. (All of whom were sometimes treated badly in the US.)
@tlgains - Where do you see it ending? Who decides when the checks would stop, and how do they decide when they do?
some good reading here, not just to native americans.
Youāre welcome to do a google search and find what other reparations (or forms thereof) have been paid to Native Americans and other groups, it isnāt relegated to only this list.
Thanks! Wasnāt doubting you, but I didnāt know if you were referring to the stereotype that Natives just donāt have to pay taxes and they get checks from the government every month, or something actually real.
Nope. They do have specific escape clauses in certain laws that allow them to do stuff like casinos or 99.99% APY payday loans, where there are restrictions for others - but I was just referring to the reparations, land, and relative sovereignty.
Idk, maybe the reparations people could figure out those problems
Those casinos can really set people off, haha. One of the ones in my state, if they dispersed their money to all tribal members, all members would get about $0.08/month.
Then you go to Minneapolis and their members are millionaires. Theyāre a very small tribe in an urban area though, while the former is a very large tribe in a rural area.
But Iāve seen dudes get red in the face over what some strangers do with their business earnings.
Dude where are these Native American (In general) tribes, please tell me so I can research them.
Personally I always thought Native Americans had it the worst. What Natives went through was practically genocide. I wonder how many were here to begin with before these nutcase Europeans.
Dude, thatās like your only answer.
Everywhere in the country. But mainly in the Southwest and Upper Great Plains. The largest reservation (land mass) is the Navajo Nation in AZ/NM/UT. My reservation, Cheyenne River, is listed as the fourth largest in the country (not sure if thatās accurate), followed by, among others, the other West River S.D. reservations. Weāve got a lot of land up here.
Iām not really sure what you want to know. Where are these tribes? Everywhere. Thereās probably thousands of books on Native Americans. Itās very easy to research them.
A pretty easy thing to find out. But really, we have no clue. Estimates range from like 15-100 million, with maybe 60 million being somewhat agreed upon.
Itās the only answer I can give right now because I donāt have all the answers
Yikes, that is a huge loss. I know I can research this stuff, Iām just trying to make conversation out of courtesy due to me not having much of an answer for that jshaving. I am glad I learned something new today though.
It was being conquered and Europeans were simply better at war.
The tribes slaughtered each other wholesale all the time to conquer territory.
Being an actual member of the Cherokee tribe - I donāt see the problem honestly. We lost. If you donāt want to get shit on, do not get conquered.
What about the tribes in africa that sold their own race into slavery, they should be responsible for any reparations
Iāll just pop in to remind everyone that there are more enslaved people today than at any point in history.
Maybe electric vehicle owners should pay reparations to the children in the Congo who spend their days mining cobalt by hand at gun point.
Maybe everyone with a smartphone should as well.
People who pay reparations are usually ones that benefitted monetarily from the slavery. I paid for all these phones - I didnāt benefit monetarily.
Come one twojarSLAVE!
Destruction of the human race sounds like the best solution at this point
I canāt believe nobody posted the Dave Chapelle clip yet.
I agree with the being conquered but was it not also genocide? Or near-genocidal? I think where we may differ on views was what happened after Europeans took over the land.
What about forced relocation? What about breaking treaties? What about forced sterilization that occurred well into the 20th century? What about the outlawing of religious practices (in a country founded on religious freedom) or of speaking oneās native tongue, both of which also occurred well into the 20th century? What about the inability to vote? What about the lack of access to healthcare and education, which were often promised in exchange for land?
If it had just been āwhites vs. Indians in 1600, Indians lost, so now your land belongs to the whites now and you have to go live over there,ā thatās one thing. But very often the government continued to commit atrocious acts well into the years in which many of our grandparents, if not even our parents, were living. I do feel that thereās a difference between being conquered and being mistreated hundreds of years after said conquering has occurred.
EDIT: I mean there were still kids being ripped away from their families with no warning or explanation into the 50s. My grandma remembers seeing busses come pick kids up. Their parents had no say and sometimes no one ever saw or heard from the kids again.
Not saying it is right, but Europeans and Asians did it to other Europeans / Asians too. Brits to the Irish, Japanese to the Chinese, etc.
Judging the past by the morals and thoughts of today is academically dishonest and what is called presentiment.
Promises from those that conquered you donāt mean anything. Expecting those that conquered you to provide / care about you is pretty dumb IMO. Native Americans would be much better off, if they never counted on any of that coming true.
How do you think other tribes were treated when conquered? When you lose and it is happening to you all of a sudden it is a travesty? What about the hundreds / thousands of tribes that went through the same or worse at the hands of other tribes?
Seems pretty hypocritical to me.