The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

[tlgains]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

I’m arguing that this illness shouldn’t be perpetuated via ELEMENTARY SCHOOL teachers. Kids that age don’t give a shit if your white, brown, yellow black or green, they don’t care about your religion and they sure as fuck don’t care about your sexual identity (like they even know what that is) or pronouns (because they don’t even know what a fucking pronoun is).

I truly don’t understand why this position seems unusual to you, and frankly as someone who claims “[it’s] too early for me to think about having children”, I don’t understand what dog you have in this fight. Your opinion is misguided by your youth, which could only be overcome by a parental status of which you do not have.

Dude that convo ended once twojar entered. I already gave my final thoughts on that.

[fitafter40]

Leave the children out of it

[hustlinghat93]

@tlgains

Society will learn to not fear lgbtq people and treat em as regular people. They’re not going away.

No one fears LGBTQ people. You cannot treat LGBTQ people like ‘regular people’ because

1. They are not ‘regular’
2. They take pride in not being ‘regular’
3. They want to be treated in a way ‘regular’ people are not

@tlgains

they should be treated with respect.

They should be treated with the same basic respect other human being are treated with… Until they do something for you to lose respect for them or gain more respect for them. I believe that they are.

@tlgains

“LGBT students are three times as likely as non-LGBT students to say that they do not feel safe at school (22% vs. 7%) and 90% of LGBT students (vs. 62% of non-LGBT teens) have been harassed

This is very subjective and probably explained by:

1. Feeling oppressed is a key part of a LGBT’s identity so it’s quite obvious they will say they do not feel safe
   2.The increase in people feeling harassed is probably due to being called their real gender and not what they identify as + the fact that homosexual boys are more ‘sensitive’ then heterosexuals

@tlgains

“ Numerous studies have shown that lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth have a higher rate of suicide attempts than do heterosexual youth.

What did this study deem an attempt? Was it self reported?

@tlgains

The deeper problem would be found looking into the reasons as to why the lgbtq community is being bullied.

Oh this is easy. Because the LGBTQ community wants to force their beliefs onto us. They want to control our speech (Pronouns), they want us to value their personal beliefs over our own (regarding genders etc) and they want to influence our society so it develops in a way which suits them. The ‘bullying’ is what they call us refusing to bend to their wills.

Imagine I was into fat girls and I was walking around with a fat girlfriend. Would you give a fuck? Probably not.

Now imagine I am into fat girls, my girlfriend is fat and I insist you now refer to my girlfriend as ‘a sexy skinny piece of ass’ and I insist that you now call and believe fat girls are beautiful and that I now insist that the media, schools and society in general teaches us that being overweight is perfectly healthy and should be encouraged. Would you have an issuse?

Well that is exactly what the men who want to be called ‘she’ who want us to believe he is a woman and who wants to encourage people to flip flop genders do.

[cyclonengineer]

@hustlinghat93

I insist that you now call and believe fat girls are beautiful and that I now insist that the media, schools and society in general teaches us that being overweight is perfectly healthy and should be encouraged.

This is already happening too. I don’t have to imagine it. See Healthy at Every Size, Tess Holiday, Lizzo, “Fat activism”. Those folks are saying we need to change chairs because their giant rear ends don’t fit in them. Therefore, chairs, and inanimate object are “fat-phobic” (another made up term).

I have seen TikTok videos that say “if you’re not attracted to fat women, your a bigot”.

Your logic is exactly the (BS) logic virtue signalling SJWs want all people to employ. And, like you said, this “logic” is being taught to children. It has the opposite of the intended affect. It makes people unable to get past what I call “Level 1 thinking”. Level 1 thinking is reacting with outrage to something one reads/hears that is a different opinion (or even fact) to what one believes and taking things at surface value. No one goes deeper and thinks the other person’s points through. This is a direct product of the algorithms that run our lives via social media (See “The Shallows” written by Carr) that produce massive confirmation bias bubbles.

Staying at level 1 thinking is a problem for both the far left and far right. Far left clings to this identity of “self” as whatever one wants to be (bug, demon, demonself, they/them) and the far right clings to bad translations of the Bible and whatever their (possibly messed up) preacher told them on Sunday.

Most people do not think deeply or in a linear fashion to get the root of problems. Hence why the bungled response to the last 2 years, the idea that somehow being massively overweight is healthy, and much more.

[Californiagrown]

@cyclonengineer

I have seen TikTok videos

I think I see your root problem.

[cyclonengineer]

I agree, the problem is though that many are taking what these random people say on there as gospel, especially given that the majority of the audience is impressionable teens.

This stuff is on Youtube too.

[Californiagrown]

And teens latch on to things, and go through phases. And then they get older and interests change, they get busy with other stuff and don’t have the time or energy to be a true believers anymore.

Teens have always been enthralled with rebellion against the status quo, and with dangerous/inflammatory shit as they explore their limits and awakenings as independent people.

Compared to opiates/drugs/depression/hyper competitive academics, drunk driving, pregnant, traditional stupid teen boy/girl shit this LGBTQ stuff is really far down my list of concerns.

[mnben87]

@cyclonengineer

I have seen TikTok videos that say “if you’re not attracted to fat women, your a bigot”.

I think this is pretty fringe. Could be wrong. It seems sexual preferences are exempt from labels of racism or bigotry (or at least I think most people agree with this).

I think it is best to just choose what you like without mentioning what you like or don’t like though.

[cyclonengineer]

@mnben87

without mentioning what you like or don’t like though.

This is how I have operated.

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@Californiagrown

Compared to opiates/drugs/depression/hyper competitive academics, drunk driving, pregnant, traditional stupid teen boy/girl shit this LGBTQ stuff is really far down my list of concerns.

I agree with you to a point, but this rebellious phase can have massive impact, depending how rebellious the kid wants to be… like changing your pronouns for a year or two and dressing like a weirdo truly isnt that big a deal, but going on hormone blockers and surgically altering your reproductive organs IS.

The problem is that when kids go into rebellion and start smoking weed or drinking underage, it’s normal and acceptable for that behavior to be frowned upon. But when Samuel turns into Samantha, the whole world has to support them in their transition or else they’re a bigot. While i don’t think this is the majority of the population going through this, those who land on the fringe of the bell curve will certainly be fucked up if they are supported into a decison they didnt really have the time to understand for themselves. The trans community is only about 0.08% of the population, I’m not advocating to treat them differently, but celebrating them for something they arent sure of has an unfortunate likelihood to cause lifelong issues.

If we are to treat LGBT folks as normal, we should stop celebrating their sexual/gender preferences akd stop bending the world to their whims.

[Californiagrown]

Teens are psychologically fragile. I think we should be supportive and understanding as they struggle with their identity. The amount of children seriously considering surgical options, and trying to go through with it, is so small it’s newsworthy when it happens.

If Jim wants to be Jane because they don’t reside on the fat part of the bell curve and they’re figuring out their sexual/gender identity, that’s gotta be rough. I’m not trying to make their life harder. I’d rather we offer support to help them work through such a difficult time in their lives. What’s not helpful is having grown ass men and women taunt a teen and publicly shame them because the teen isn’t living up to the adults ideal worldview.

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

I think there’s a huge difference between being supportive and celebrating. I have no problem with support, but that isn’t what people offer; they offer celebration by means of vitrue signalling.

@Californiagrown

having grown ass men and women taunt a teen and publicly shame them because the teen isn’t living up to the adults ideal worldview.

I don’t think this is happening anywhere tbh

[cyclonengineer]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

I don’t think this is happening anywhere tbh

My wife’s family is very Southern Baptist. I can tell you public shaming is indeed happening in areas where that kind of religious self-righteousness is strong.

[Californiagrown]

Virtue signaling has become such an oversized ridiculous buzzword. Signaling your warm acceptance of a previously ostracized community is not a bad thing. It’s an intent to make others more comfortable and to know that folks like them as they are. Previously accepted groups, especially those in the majority, don’t need to be told they are accepted or viewed as equals.

Multiple posters on here have proudly stated their refusal to address others by their chosen pronouns. And others have stated they do not support or condone any form of nontraditional sexuality and think it is a symptom of the downfall of our society and country. There aren’t that many posters on here, yet there are multiple who hold those opinions. Imagine how it would feel to read a Facebook post by a friend’s parent similar to that, while struggling with your sexual identity in high school. Shit happens all the time.

[mnben87]

They can dish it out, but they can’t take it.

Southern Baptist leaders release a previously secret list of accused sexual...

I am guessing you have heard about this incident. Similar to the Catholic incidents (hiding predators to protect their brand).

[Bauber]

Burn them all.

Of course I hate religion. Religion has been nothing but a scourge for power, control, and justification for atrocities over something NOBODY can prove.

[cyclonengineer]

Yeah, I did hear this. It’s absolutely disgusting that folks in religious groups like these think they are above the law. It’s a misinterpretation of the Bible, where it says directly to obey man’s and God’s laws.
Watched a documentary on the Jehovas witnesses about the abuse in that church. It’s crazy.

@Bauber

Religion has been nothing but a scourge for power, control, and justification for atrocities over something NOBODY can prove.

When “the church” (whatever that means to each group) gets to large, this is definitely the case.
Oddly, it seems Buddhism has avoided much of the pitfalls one thinks of in regards to this.

[Bauber]

Sadly, Buddhism seems to the the exception and not the norm.

[mnben87]

Norse Mythology? I think most of the practitioners of it, are doing so for fun with absence of belief? Would be wild if I am wrong here though.

I think with Buddhism, there is a couple varieties? Might be wrong there? I thought there was one variety that doesn’t really have a “God”, and is more about a life philosophy.

[Californiagrown]

Even Buddhists can be violent (recently sri lanka, Myanmar). They are but only human after all.