Oops didn’t mean to quote you meant to reply to @doogie
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My point is that regardless of why you purchase a gun, it is still a weapon. I’d rather the process of acquiring the gun not be so easy just to imply that a gun is still a weapon to be taken seriously. Perhaps better gun regulations will discourage someone from acquiring a gun legally to harm someone else like this school shooter. Is it really that easy to acquire a gun illegally?
Kinda like California, chicago, NYC
That depends on where you are and who you know. Back in the 90’s I was a teenager in the harmless business of black market vegetation distribution in the greater Chicagoland area. My dealer’s dealer wasn’t so harmless, and in addition to transacting pounds of marijuana (along with bulk quantities of every other drug under the sun), he’d take your sports bets and sell you fully-automatic weapons without asking too many questions. He even had a few grenades when he got arrested.
Illegal guns are extraordinarily easy to buy, as evidenced by their widespread usage by prohibited persons.
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Generally for the type of people committing violent crimes, yes. I could do it, and I’m pretty clean cut. I’d have to go out to the reservation, but I could do it. I have a feeling it’s easier for the more criminally inclined folks.
I think one practical thing we could do, is placing additional taxes in guns. Use that money to pay for stuff like armed guards. If new prices go up a lot, used or illegal prices go up a lot as well. If a new Glock is $5k, a lot of the people we don’t want to have them will be priced out. They would have to steal them.
Yes.
Edit: I would say a large number of guns used in crimes are straw purchases someone makes for a third party. That is already illegal. Criminals just don’t seem to care about laws
There’s a test, license, ATF background check, 2 week wait period, and limit to buying 1 gun every 30 days in California. There’s also red flag laws in place in case I start acting erratic so the state can legally confiscate my guns, and a limit to no more than 9 rounds in a magazine (that was overturned by supreme court, then reinstated within the same month).
OR I could go buy it from a buddy down the street with none of that.
We have plenty of gun regulations. The problem isn’t the guns, its the people NOT doing their fucking job of protecting our children.
Teachers are happy to push every fucking fringe theory onto our children so they can feel safe and supported, yet refuse to pick up a fucking gun to save their life during situations like this. The asinine hypocrisy of it makes my fucking blood boil. Maybe their fucking “safe space” could protect them from a hail of bullets. Fuck.
Maybe they should just make schools a gun free zone. Surely that will stop psychopaths from going in there when the school guards tuck their balls between their legs.
This argument makes me mad. ANYONE who says that guns should be harder to get should go fucking try to buy one and see what the fuck you have to go through to get one. and ALL of this distracts from the fact that 2A wasn’t intended for guns to go hunt; it was meant to prevent an oppressive government from oppressing… and I thought the left was against the oppressors…
Fuck. I’m out.
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To be fair, you can go into a gun store in Texas and walk out in 30 minutes with a bunch of guns. Just have to wait for the background check to run.
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Parents?
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All day today, the liberal line is “expanded background checks” but not one of them can explain how that would have stopped this. Yet liberals eat that shit up. That and “he had an assault rifle”. Ask them to define assault rifle and it’s crickets.
I just want to see these armed guards engaging the guy prior to his entering the school. They seem to be playing with words and relying on unquestioning people to pass that off, in an attempt to lead idiots to believe it.
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I’ve always wondered why people would be okay with making guns extremely expensive or hard to get, but usually are the ones that cry foul when someone wants people to produce ID when voting as that being a fascist or racist burden. (Not saying you do this)
In MS with a carry permit, I can go in and buy weapons without a background check all day. But of course, they have my finger prints, addresses, blood type, stool sample, etc. I’ve walked out of the gun shop with well over 20 guns or more at one time quite frequently.
They’ve done reports and studies and people with carry permits aren’t the ones committing crimes.
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Didn’t you know guns can’t exist inside gun free zones? It’s like a law of the fantastical liberal universe or something.
You can’t legislate evil away or rogue actors that have no criminal history and just snap. Although it seems like this MK Ultra degenerate showed plenty of signs over the years that went ignored.
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The number I threw was an extreme example. Might be less than that number. However, I’m unsure if taxes like this exist (I’ve only bought one gun), but perhaps if they don’t, a tax for some of the cost to society from guns is justified. Use the extra revenue for more school security perhaps. It also would have the benefit of making guns less accessable for poorer criminals. Would suck for gun collectors though. Perhaps the average cost goes up by few hundred, not as extreme as I was saying. I think the amount of people that would price out would be surprising. Lots of people can’t afford a $500 expense. I think it would make more sense for the tax to be a fixed amount (not based on price). This then wouldn’t impact more expensive guns as it would lower end models.
I think it is much more sensible than a ban, or gun grab.
Putting a tax on a right to be prohibitive I would argue is unconstitutional.
It’s why I think the NFA should also be abolished.
It’s pretty shitty to make it where poorer people can’t afford a weapon to protect themselves.
It wouldn’t affect me, but it would a lot of people. I don’t think increasing gun price via tax is a least restrictive and narrowly tailored means.
Such a silly old man…
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How’s about no diploma, no guns. No gainful employment, no gun. Everyone who wants to buy a gun needs a cosigner like a lease. Mandatory yearly gun safety and proficiency tests. I can come up with these all day.
Another thing, kinda like suicidal folks, these terrorists typically post obvious signs on social media prior to the massacre. Seems like most (not the Las Vegas shooter) were ticking time bombs by their SM feeds. Id like to see red flag laws expanded to not just gun seizures, but mandatory psych evals instead of or with seizures.
Nothing will be perfect, but I want to create more opportunities to identify the threat prior to the threat becoming a reality.
The real difference in this country on the topic of guns, comes down to this: some of us think the right to bear arms is an inalienable right that is untouchable and prescient , and some of us think the right to bear arms is an antiquated, outdated piece of text whose original purpose is outdated should not be a right anymore.
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Yes. There are many issues like that. It’s why the country needs to split. We can be allies without shoving our policies down the throats of others(one side seems pretty agreeable to having things shoved down its throats, but that’s beside the point).
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And even less affordable to those law abiding citizens in need of a means of defense against those criminals.