If you’ll indulge my hijack, a local industry (Litton Industries builds navy ships) has paired with all of our local high schools and begun a maritime program. High school seniors go to the ship yard instead of school in the morning for one class period. They then spend a few weeks in each of the trades to see if they have an aptitude or interest in any of them. My son was a senior last year in the programs inaugural year. At the end of the year all of the kids except one were offered jobs and most accepted. My son is a joiner/helper making slightly more than his older sister who has a masters. He is waiting for the welding apprenticeship to open. If accepted into that program, in four years he will be a full-fledged welder and have an associate’s degree.
I think Asians will be the next demographic the regressive left will attack. Then Indians.
They are WAY too successful.
A very under rated and under paid profession in it’s own right, trade or not.
They can call it whatever the fuck they want, we need more of them.
It’s a perfect job/career for a single parent that needs flextime too.
Plenty of men get raped outside of prison too…
Somedays I think I could say the sky is blue and you’d argue about…
Well, color is a subjective experience, so…
Samesies … my wife’s entire family are painters and tradesmen - hard workers, have a keen eye for geometry, but they’re white so, that makes sense 
Here is something to chew on:
Yes I linked slate lol. I feel dirty about it too, but it’s a good piece.
I’ve seen estimates that upwards of 9 out of 10 male rapes go unreported, for various reasons. I don’t remember if it’s in that article or another, but the FBI didn’t even record male rape up until recently, specifically only mentioned female victims.
http://victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/child-sexual-abuse-statistics
5-10% of adult males report molestation as a child, so if we take a conservative estimate of the under reporting the Australian lady said of 90% and say 4 in 10 go unreported, that brings the male victims in line with the female.
(Big picture here is ALL childhood molestation has a under reporting problem, as most abusers are well known to the victim.) (This also shoots down the utter shit “trans people in muh bathrooms” arguments but that is another thread. Strangers are so much less likely to harm you child than your spouse, to prevent people from taking a leak where they want to because a monster might abuse that is the dumbest argument ever.)
Rapists are more likely to be white criminals that you know than a stranger on the street. Buy like 70% chance…
https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/12/15/us-federal-statistics-show-widespread-prison-rape
Prison sexual assault is an issue, but more than half is with the staff, not other inmates. Assuming power dynamics are still in play, I agree that “consent” is impossible, but that means some of these encounters are less traumatic than others.
But even if you don’t try and control for an inmate wanting to bone a guard and it still being assault, that is less than the 5% low estimate of men that report sexual molestation as a child.
This is interesting, although I’m not buying the conclusions they reach based on the data, but it is an interesting read non the less.
But notice one major issue here, the FBI didn’t collect info on raped males up until post 2012 or some shit, so…
Off to a good start today.
I mean I literally just googled this and apparently Lincoln did NOT own slaves - however, Grant and Andrew Johnson did - these people are buffoons and lazy buffoons at that.
White men are not running this country. I’m white and I’m not running anything. Wealthy white men and/or white men (politicians for example) who will do their bidding, might make up the majority of those who run the country. That doesn’t mean that being a white man somehow gives you the right to tell everyone else what to do. But look at the DNC and its insistence on running Hillary because “it was her turn” at the expense of a candidate who was probably more electable. Don’t tell me that women don’t have power in that party.
And there is an attack on so-called white male culture, aka western culture, which helped to instigate the backlash of white nationalism. When a white man has to be afraid that giving his opinion, or even asking a question, will end his career then I would say that there is some kind of power shift going on. There is an attack on masculinity. Men like Trump don’t have to worry about something like that but the majority of us do.
This sentence:
and this sentence:
Seem s/w at odds with one another.
True. But what does this have to do with the comment of mine to which you are responding?
Ditto my response above.
The fact that you think these two terms are ‘aka’ is very telling.
Only among people with sexist/racist predilections.
Yeah, I don’t think too many white men are sweating this one.
The fact that Trump could say and do the outrageously, deplorably sexist things he did, but still be elected POTUS, runs strongly counter to your argument.
The dumb part of the meme is that it uses “greatest fear” as the measuring stick for reality. The fact that the worst case scenario is the same in two situations doesn’t make those situations equivalent. The probability of your greatest fear being actualized is important.
On a related note, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. The streets aren’t actually safer for men than women. The suggestion that women are more fearful on the streets (I don’t really know if this is backed up by data) doesn’t necessarily prove that women are more persecuted.
It does no such thing.
The meme suggests nothing of the sort.
First off I said WEALTHY white men which is not at odds with white men. Just because you are white you don’t get the same privileges as the wealthiest of whites, or any other race.
I did not say white culture and western culture are the same thing. The attack on white culture is actually an attack on western culture. What the regressive leftist Marxists attack is western culture but they call it white culture. Or more specifically white European male culture. They even say freedom of speech is a form of white supremacy since white people invented it and it protects Nazis. Personally I think the term white culture, whether used by the extreme left or right, is nonsensical and historically inaccurate.
As far as white men not sweating, tell that to Prof. Weinstein at Evergreen. Or Jordan Peterson who fights against being forced to use certain pronouns at the risk of losing his job. Or Camille Paglia, although a woman she is on the “wrong” side and has faced calls for her termination. Or some of the faculty at Yale who had issues because of Halloween costumes. Imagine putting all those years of schooling in only to have it taken from you because of some child’s silly emotional sensibilities. Or that student at Columbia who was accused of rape and his accuser who carried a mattress around wherever she went. No one stopped her from her ongoing slander even though he was never charged let alone convicted.
Trump does not run counter to my argument. The wealthiest white men don’t have to worry about being PC.
Men who are genuinely afraid of getting raped in prison, do whatever they have to in order to stay out of prison (like not breaking the law). If women were genuinely as afraid of walking down the street as those men are of prison rape then they wouldn’t walk down the street, at all.
Also, given the number of women (it’s people in general) who have their faces glued to their phones while walking and/or wear heels (not good if you need to run away), I would say they have a funny way of showing fear. All woman should be in favor of gun rights if they are that scared.
Most rapes are committed by an acquaintance anyway, not a stranger. So I guess that meme is saying women are irrational.
I figured you’d respond like that. And on a completely literal level, you’re correct. But if you don’t think this meme is trying to draw a parallel between women walking down the street and men going to prison based on what they fear most in those situations, please explain what the point is.
To the contrary: Just being white makes one privy to a set of privileges unavailable to non-whites (in America that is).
You said “white male culture, aka western culture.” So in fact, that’s exactly what you said.
Anecdotes? Really?
So, it follows then that all men who are in prison are not “genuinely” afraid of being raped? That’s your opinion?
Yet another non sequitur.
The point is to provide a frame of reference for men that will allow them to gain insight/empathy regarding what it feels like to be as sexually vulnerable as a woman.
The meme assumes–rightly, in my judgment–that the vast majority of men do not harbor a fear of being raped, except when they contemplate the extraordinary scenario of being imprisoned. That is, we (men) can’t relate to the possibility of being raped in the course of our ordinary lives, but we can relate to it if we imagine ourselves in prison.
In stark contrast, the meme assumes–again, rightly in my opinion–that the vast majority of women do harbor a fear of being raped, but unlike men, they fear its occurrence in the course of their ordinary lives. They don’t have to imagine themselves being in an extraordinary situation to make rape ‘real’; they just have to contemplate doing the most banal of activities; eg, walking down the street.
Insight/empathy. That’s the point.
An interesting point and I mean that sincerely. However, the ability to imagine something bad happening to me is not actually well correlated to whether or not that thing will happen to me. People are generally notoriously bad at evaluating the risk associated with low probability threats. Car accidents come to mind.
Have fun with this one…
Why are you deliberately spinning what I posted? I clarified and explained what I meant yet you choose to ignore that in order to put words in my mouth.
The privileges that wealthy white men, or the wealthy in general, have are not the same as what the average white man has. Why did you ignore that qualification, twice? In fact, your response was not contrary to mine but rather an affirmation as you avoided the whole wealth aspect.
Yes, I wrote aka western culture but again, I explained what I meant and you chose to ignore that. I said the attacks on white culture are actually an attack on western culture. What the leftists call white culture is actually western culture. As I already said, yet you chose to ignore, I don’t believe in the concept of white culture.
Anecdotes? Are they not the truth?
No, it doesn’t follow. The men who are in prison were not genuinely afraid of getting raped in prison before they committed their crimes. They may have been aware of it being a possibility, if they considered they might get caught (and how many criminals assume they are going to get caught?), but the fear wasn’t so great to stop them from breaking the law. A man who is genuinely afraid of getting raped in prison won’t gamble with his rectum. Although most of the men who don’t commit crimes do so because they have respect for the law and morals, anal rape isn’t a factor. Also, as someone who has worked with juvenile criminals, many don’t believe that rape even happens or if it does they can protect themselves.
Not a non sequitur. It follows the logic of the meme.
Maybe you should just ask a woman if she has fears of getting raped as she goes about her daily life. That sounds like some more of that “rape culture” bs that 100th wave feminists are trying to push. Given the amount of women who engage in behaviors that make them more likely to be victims I would say that most don’t have this constant fear.
Because it is irrelevant to the point under discussion.
Per you, what leftists call ‘white culture’ is what you call ‘Western culture.’ Does it follow that, in your opinion, there are no none-white contributors to Western culture?
Anecdotes are just that–anecdotes. They are not data; their interpretability is extremely limited; and they contribute nothing with regard to understanding general trends.
If this is an empirical claim, I would like to see the data on which it is based. OTOH, if you’re making an axiomatic claim (ie, 'By definition, any man who ends up in prison was not genuinely afraid of being raped in prison), I do not accept it.
So in other words, a man can be genuinely afraid of being raped, but not so afraid that it prevents him from breaking the law. This is perfectly consistent with what I said. Note that to be ‘genuinely afraid’ of something does not imply that the fear is so overwhelming as to cause one to ensure that it can never come to pass. (I have a modest-but-genuine fear of getting in a fatal car wreck, yet I still drive my car every day.)
This is another example of your misuse of the term genuinely. See above.
I have. In my experience, the answer is always ‘yes.’ Now before you run off on another misused genuinely tangent: The fact that women don’t spend their entire lives cowering behind locked doors doesn’t mean that aren’t ‘genuinely’ fearful of being raped. Likewise, a genuine fear of rape doesn’t imply or require that a woman be actively and consciously experiencing that fear every second of every day.
You don’t say. And which behaviors might those be?