Furthermore plenty of people of the right background and intellectual ability were already sealing the deal since… oh… five years old. Do ya think upper-class people send those kids to all those learning centers, preparatory STEM summer camps, and outrageously expensive schools to leave this crucial time to screw around? No, the trajectory is figured out early on. One doesn’t decide to become a hot shot quant guy, lawyer, scientist, surgeon, and so on later in life in most of these cases. Hence I use the term “academic conveyor belt”.
I think these days (in a western country at least) you can fuck around a bit more and still end up somewhere decent even if you wasted a lot of years spinning your wheels and doing dumb stuff. As an example I barely graduated high school - 10 years later I have an econ degree and I’m halfway through an engineering degree with a lot of opportunities. It of course helped me to have supportive parents and people around me who tolerated my wild career swings, but even without that there is enough of a safety net from the government that would allow me to do it even if I was completely on my own. It’s not like in the old days where if you got kicked out at 18 you basically have to work your way up from some menial job, and if you didn’t work your way up you were stuck there permanently. Now everyone has the world’s knowledge in their pocket (literally) and it’s a lot easier to pursue whatever you want.
I might have said this before. You are a highly intelligent, high-agency man. I believe such people can get away with some hedonism or vice. This apparently doesn’t work for higher-impulse, lower-class people as shown In serious literature and my own personal observation of more than half my life. Promiscuity is usually a part and cause of their very messy lives.
I have to keep responses brief here as I’m on a phone sipping coffee, not at a laptop.
The disparity regarding educational opportunity between lower/upper socioeconomic demographics is unfortunate. Something needs to be done about this disparity
That being said, I think opportunity and trajectory differ. It’s easier to academically excel when you have access to private education, all the tutors in the world, academic summer camps etc. This doesn’t necessarily equate to definitive success. Some of these rich kids end up going down very dark paths, it isn’t all as glamorous as it may sound; esp for those kids whose parents boot them off to boarding school, camps etc at every perceivable chance.
Having anything you want at a moments notice can cause you to take everything for granted, one can lose appreciation for the little things. Money isn’t the answer to all problems, after a certain point I don’t believe it can buy happiness. What matters is a stable job of which one is happy in, a place of residency, food on your table etc.
Some of these ultra rich children (some, not all) latch onto their parents for life and never definitively identify themselves as an independent entity. If anything I’d harbour sympathy as opposed to resentment in this circumstance
It should be noted this is considered an potential environmental variable of which predisposes one to addiction. I don’t think it is a direct correlation to being lower class per se, rather a result of our societal constructs.
Being of lower class unfortunately impedes quality of life via impaired access to healthcare, education etc. I believe certain aspects that are present within lower class life predispose one to addiction as opposed to the sole lack of money, of which shouldn’t be justification to impede ones access to healthcare/education. Granted I could easily be wrong here.
@dt79 I’ll add that there also that there are things some people just feel. Certainly there can be an explanation for beliefs but there are some things that some people “feel in their bones”. So while I can expand on the actual negative individual and societal consequences of licentiousness, I’ll state that at this point of my life that my feelings on pornography, promiscuity, polyamory, and the like are sinful despite my actual writings and reasoning on them previously.
For example, I watched porn from time to time from 13 to some time in my 30’s. I was never hooked on it. This is fairly common in modern men. I found myself increasingly disgusted by it while watching it less and less. Eventually this lead to a real aversion. Why? Part of it was realizing what porn does and the rest was simply unexplainable.
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I beg to differ. I am of average intelligence, just that I’ve acquired the ability to express myself relatively well due my course of study and profession. There are lots of smarter people than me whom you would think are simpletons if you communicate with them casually.
I confess I don’t have such a dire outlook on different classes of people although I’ve been disappointed by human nature a lot in life.
We’ll have to kinda agree or disagree on this one unless you’re telling me these “lower class” people need to be controlled through acts of government, This sounds too close to re-education camps or forced social engineering by the State to me, and I think after all this time you know I don’t use these terms lightly.
I’m sincerely really hoping we can just agree to disagree and leave them to their own devices.
Well, yeah that’s what makes us human so it’s natural.
Yes, your reasoning can be wrong. One of the reasons some people are poor is because they aren’t intelligent and make poor decisions. And being poor can also lead to further poor decisions.
I’m not referring to people who are poor because of disaster and bad luck.
A large portion of the lower class are born into poverty. It’s a rampant cycle that frequently repeats itself.
The indigenous population within Australia tends to be disproportionately afflicted by poverty. They tend to live rurally in areas that lack adequate educational facilities, access to healthcare, employment opportunities etc.
Breaking out is insanely difficult, our societal constructs indicate one needs money and/or superior educational attainment to break out. It’s a bit of a catch 22 given educational facilities within these regions are understaffed, underfunded and at times overcrowded.
Base on a perceived lack of education/vulnerability “pushers” also tend to prey on these communities. These can be associated with both legal (i.e alcohol and tobacco) and illigal (meth) products. It’s a vicious cycle, and one that is very difficult to break out of
I can’t quantify as to what percentage of people are poor due to bad decisions/lack of intellect vs unfortunate circumstances as I haven’t read enough literature on the subject. But it would appear as if a fair portion are almost “set up” for failure, breaking through the cycle to achieve normalcy takes far more effort than it would for the average joe.
Your course of study and profession wouldn’t even be able to have been taken on considering it takes a natural high altitude to enter them, despite some being smarter than you. Yes, there are highly intelligent people who aren’t verbal, even highly intelligent autistic people who thrive in difficult fields and certainly aren’t the great communicators. You wouldn’t even be able to write as you do if not for higher-than-average ability despite your obvious effort to develop yourself.
This reminds me of Matt Kroc saying he had mediocre genetics but squatted 900 lbs.
It’s both, partly from what you say, and largely because people of low-intelligence don’t usually produce high-IQ children.
My maternal granddad broke out of poverty but he was highly intelligent, gregarious, and unusually Fearless and driven. He wasn’t ordinary and I don’t say because he was family. My other granddad was ordinary.
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Can relate, both of my parents broke out of the lower class demographic. Both are considered to be highly intelligent.
Are you referring to the exploitation of women? There are subtypes of porn catered towards femininity/directed by and created for women. It should also be noted both men and women tend to be participants. Unregulated Pornography is a seedy industry that does tend to prey on vulnerable women/men (more women than men), and watching material associated with certain brands supports this practice.
As opposed to prohibiting porngraphy, I’d propose more stringent regulatory guidelines. Perhaps raise the minimum age required to participate, many 18 y/olds are highly impulsive and don’t think about potential ramifications associated with actions taken. I’d propose similar guidelines for joining the armed forces (frontlines). Teenagers shouldn’t be going to war and/or be directly exposed to death and decay.
Is it plausible perceived sense of disgust stems from what has become normalised within modern pornography? XXX material has become more and more extreme, degrading, taboo etc. Compare the stark difference between modern “gonzo” pornography as opposed to say playboy magazine.
I have trouble watching a large portion of modern pornography as quite frankly… some of the content is quite disturbing. Particularly when it is evident the female/male is in obvious discomfort. Graphically violent/exploitatative films are different as I know the content is simulated.
I gotta go now so I’ll keep this short. There’s definitely some exploitation of women in some cases, but it’s primarily exploitation of men. That is, Exploitation of male viewers. I expect pushback to this.
I would disagree. I studied my ass off while everyone was having fun and put everything into my career while friends where starting families. You know why I said I was having eye site problems above. It’s because I’ve averaged 4 hrs of sleep a day for the past 2 weeks dealing with remote workers from different timezones at the age of 40. Just think about how much I was busting my ass in my teens and twenties. The only difference is that I’m willing to do shit others won’t do because I’m scared of being poor after having experienced it so you can decide if this is a “talent” or not.
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All unusually successful people have both talent AND effort. I could’ve played basketball all goddamned day and still wouldn’t have been an NBA player.
Not pushback, more curiosity. I’d like for you to expand on this. Perhaps we would agree.
Pornography may be habit forming, and it does appear to trick the male brain into thinking they’re legitimately with another partner. With endless streams of pornography available at the click of a mouse/google search it theoretically may incentivise men to stay at home and relieve themselves as opposed to getting out there and looking for a real life human companion. This is a theory that I’m not sure I entirely agree with. Rather I believe pornography can have a positive or negative effect on an individuals life dependant on how the individual at stake decides to use it.
Neuroimaging regarding chronic users of pornography has come up inconclusive, though I haven’t delved into this subject for quite a while thus perhaps new research has surfaced. There is advocacy for the classification of addiction to pornographic material to be added to the DSM-5/ICD-11 criteria, but currently we don’t have enough research on the topic. It certainly would appear through anecdotal reports as if a certain demographic is prone to compulsively viewing online pornography to the point wherein it may impact the individuals life negatively.
If we are talking exploitation of men based upon the standpoint of reinforced habits developed in response to watching porn I’d tend to agree there is substance behind your conveyed ideology. I’d view it in a similar vein to gambling/other compulsive behaviours of which can negatively impact ones life. I wouldn’t advocate for prohibiting pornngraphy as quite frankly, I don’t think a net ban would be particularly effective nor do I have a net issue with the prospect of pornography existing. A ban would more than likely would open up a black market, higher rates of rape/abuse and exploitation within the industry would become apparent and otherwise law abiding citizens might find themselves under the scrutiny of law enforcement.
I’m a fairly big advocate for reform/increased regulation within the sex industry. Australia has more or less achieved this and the outcomes have been rather phenomenal (still by no means perfect). Many other countries have a lot of catching up to do. Human trafficking, rape/preying on the vulnerable, lack of STD testing, access to healthcare etc all need to be addressed.
@dt79 get some sleep dammit before delirium sets in. Take some melatonin or something… drink a nice, warm, relaxing cup of chamomile tea.
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