Ok.
So which is it. I’m ok with me and you seeing things differently, but when you and you see things differently maybe we need some clarification. 
Seems to me you’re painting cops as some weird violent monolith who go in and crack skulls first and ask questions after they’re done sprinkling crack…
What makes you sure they don’t try other methods first or already have multi pronged strategies already in place?
Since 1965, estimates are that the US has funneled $22 TT into eliminating poverty. As a matter of fact (iirc) current spending is an eye popping 18K per person this year. This has built a huge bureaucratic machine, while the problems gets worse.
Yet from my view, more progress was made when the incentive to pursue the American Dream came from within. Millions of Hispanics living and raising their standard of living, are examples I can see here in Texas multiple times a day - all day, every day.
Here is an interesting 2014 article.
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If there is some evidence or at least reasoned opinion that more social workers, mental health workers, paramedics, or other similarly trained individuals responding to certain types of 911 calls will lead to better results, then give it a try. However, it is a far stretch between that and defunding the police. At least short or medium term it’s unlikely that this increase in funding to alternate services would really justify a significant decrease in police funding if you want similar response times and coverage.
In large part, the reason for this is simple analysis. If I want my response time to be X, then in the old system I need to have at least 1 cop within X travel distance of every point in my coverage area. If I create other overlapping systems, I still need at least one cop within X travel distance of every point in my coverage area, because I still might get a call that needs a cop response.
Moreover, if I need Y number of cops to respond at peak times, you can’t predict how those peaks are going to be allocated across multiple types of first responders. That is, if you divide the calls among different types of responders, by random chance the distribution of calls among those subcategories at peak times won’t be consistent. The sum of the peaks of each subcategory will be larger than the peak for the total. Meaning while from a peak analysis I may need less cops, I will need more first responders in total.
For these reasons, as well as my skepticism that you can find a lot of social workers willing to respond to belligerent homeless people, druggies, or crazies without cop support, I am highly suspicious that you can’t actually reduce funding to the police and expect better results.
That said, it’s possible in the longer term the results of social and mental health programs would lead to less poverty and crime and reduce the need for police. I think that’s more of a 5+ year effect, if it happens at all.
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There is none and these social workers will still have cops going with them. Working together, it could make things better sometimes but it won’t produce miracles. People have died at the hands of unarmed mental health workers.
What people ignore is that these are all coping and management strategies; they are not solutions to root causes and issues. You want fewer police in the ghetto? Commit fewer violent crimes.
These programs already exist and they are not designed to solve problems but manage them. It’s all about appearances. In a third of Baltimore high schools there isn’t one student at grade level in math. That won’t stop any of them from graduating.
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Yea, but that’s an easy fix - just lower the standard. BOOM - now my school is doing gangbusters
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By calling the standard a white supremacist construct, like punctuality. Yes, it is being taught that punctuality is a tool of white supremacy and that wearing a watch is a microaggression.
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most likely from people who say things like “believe science” and “respect others” … what a bunch of morons
Where is it being taught watches and punctuality are tools of white supremacy?
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Look up poly chronic and monochronic cultures.
The reasoning is that in sub Saharan Africa, cultures are polychronic thus, Americans who are black, and have never been to Africa, must be polychronic (and therefore always late) since we all know culture is genetic.
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if this is the real reasoning (I have no reason to not believe you on this), this is some pretty racist shit - it always amazes me how racist the anti-racists actually are…if not racist, the predisposition shown towards race seems to overwhelm their faculties to the point it’s all they see … somewhat dehumanizing people … it’s truly a sight
Just don’t joke about CPT.
First, Very much agree that it is a stupid idea to equate timliness, or an expectation of punctuality with white supremacy. Very, Very, Very stupid. This idea 100% belongs in this thread. As a worker, you adapt to your boss and the workplace/industry you are in. If my boss gets in early and is a stickler for punctuality, you bet your ass im in to work early and never late. When i become boss and want a more laid back vibe, then i can do that… but probably wont because im an engineer in the world of construction.
That said, i don’t understand why you think this idea is racist? My understanding of the idea is that certain cultures across the globe do not place such a high importance on punctuality and linear work schedules and so may take time to adjust to western workplace standards regarding timeliness. Its not saying folks from these cultures CANNOT be on-time, it just says that their culture treats time differently so they might need time to adjust. Also, from what i briefly read, this theory seems to be geared towards first and second generation folks where the homecountry culture is still very much practiced at home, not folks who have lived and fully assimilated into western culture.
I dont think its racist to say that spaniards might initially struggle in a german workplace, and germans might go insane adapting to the relatively lackadaisical day that is standard in spain.
As someone who has worked in the US, Brazil, several countries in the Middle East, and many European and Central Asian countries I can state with full confidence that this statement is bullshit.
Haha which part?
The idea is that blacks cannot assimilate into western culture because western culture was created to prove white supremacy. It rewards so called white behaviors like punctuality, independence and perfectionism. Everything is about race. Thus, the creation of different standards and expectations for people of color. Even suggesting that blacks can learn to function in a professional environment the same as whites (and obviously, many do) is expressing white privilege. Remember, these are Marxists so capitalism not only oppresses the working class but is also racist as it’s a product of white supremacy.
The thing is, professionalism was probably created in Northern Italy during the Middle Ages with the rise of urbanization and cities as centers of culture, education, law and finance. I don’t think Italian bankers and lawyers were thinking about how the creation of a white collar worker class would impact black people.
“We start at 9 am” is fully understood in Bishkek, Dodoma and Amman.
Sure, there are cultural differences - for white collar professionals these can be the length of a lunch break, appropriate small talk topics and so on but to assume that some homo sapiens sapiens are culturally unable to abide by the universally accepted metric - aggregation of the basic SI unit - to measure time is racist as fuck.
Check your privilege.
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