Agreed, they are certainly ABLE to do so, and most do just fine. But that wasn’t the argument, right? The argument is that they are being asked to conform to this aspect of western culture… And it’s always more difficult for someone to conform to a different culture than it is to have always existed in it.
Anecdotally, I don’t want to do work in Hawaii again. Fucking island time is a real thing working with govt reviewers over there. I’m jealous and angry about it at the same time.
Honestly, I don’t understand your point. People put on suits or business attires and then show up at 9am at their high rise office buildings everywhere just fine.
Shops and supermarkets open in the morning according to the hours written on the front door . So do gas stations and garages.
Yes, there are running jokes that closely mirror the truth about bus/train timetables and so on, but nobody is suffering under the white man’s yoke of a 24 hour day.
Haha, first i would like to clarify again, i agree with you, and everyone in this thread regarding the stupidity of claiming punctuality and watches are indicative of white supremacy.
My point is that someone who is used to italian train “schedules” might, at first, be taken aback and miss a few trains upon moving to switzerland or germany. Similarly, someone from a culture (not just meaning country) that is loose with time, punctuality, and schedules might at first struggle to adapt to a more rigid environment… or at least struggle more initially than someone who grew up in that rigid environment. I can see the logic there. But i cannot see how someone can stretch that logic to mean that emphasizing punctuality is in anyway racist.
No. It’s only part of the argument. This is from a link I posted:
Within black and immigrant communities, there is often a deep ancestral connection to polychronic cultural orientation. Some people of color push against this by adopting a monochronic orientation, but many hold on to their polychronic work style. As a result, they may lose their jobs more often in a culture biased against their norms.
Black, not immigrant, but black. A black American has some ancestral connection to Africa that goes beyond genetics? It’s not African culture that holds them back in this context but ghetto/poor culture that doesn’t teach or value responsibility or accountability that is to blame. Add to that a school system that enables those non professional behaviors out of a sense of pity that creates the soft racism of low expectations. Now the Marxists compound that by saying those sought after behaviors are manifestations of white supremacy.
Yeah, this would seem to be a textbook example of blaming skin color instead of the common culture shared across all skin colors within the same socioeconomic category.
But it’s the reason behind it that’s truly insidious. It’s about dismantling the monochronic system that supports capitalism.
That’s were you and the others lose me. I don’t buy into this steep slippery slope.
I see stuff like like this as part of the freakshow of ideas birthed from a bloated University system that had to make up areas of study to continue attracting paying customers. These ideas only exist in academia, and die when released into the wild. From what I can tell around me, even most liberal sjws can smell this kind of BS. If that starts changing, maybe I’ll change my tune.
Pretty common knowledge that white supremacists co-opted the OK sign, right? Why did they do that? Like why did they pick that signal?
We had to stop playing the punching game at work last year because of it. Sad.
Bullshit. Nobody f*cking believes the ok sign is racist symbol of hate. What utter poppycock.
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Is a word that should be used more.
Really? Tell that to BLM, raking in millions and advancing its Marxist agenda. Tell that to all the people who have to take diversity training that starts with apologizing for being white (and who pays for this training? Don’t ask how much it costs, either). Soon, every public school teacher will have gone through the Marxist, intersectional, critical race theory grinder.
I went through diversity training. Didn’t apologize for anything, mostly just about being aware of implicit biases and avoiding obviously racist behavior.
I assume your school still has a start time, yeah?
I agree. Of course, I don’t believe they’re anti-racists; they just hate freedom of association.
What do you mean “dehumanizing?” Votes aren’t human. Oh…you’re talking about actual people. I agree.
I work with four people who are from sub-Saharan Africa. Ghana to be exact. I can’t remember any of them ever being late and I had no idea they were being asked to conform to a white supremist standard.
I think there are likely differences here. You work in a firm, whose primary goal is CYA and keep employees happy. I would say the situation is often different in schools. Not always per se, but often. My brother can attest to much of what Z is talking about, and he works in a nice district.
I have nothing except my N = 1 anecdote here (well, N = a few), but it seems to me that most ACTUAL African immigrants are…unhappy (to put it mildly)…with much “African American culture” here due to the exact issues Z has been pointing out. Like they feel their heritage and abilities are being insulted either for political gain or by people who are just plain lazy.
Edit for clarity–I mean 1st/2nd generation
The fact that would be a question…
It was rhetorical.
Because we already know the answer.